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    Theory: Kishimoto foreshadowing Sakura development via Hashirama Senju.

    After my previous [Theory] about Sakura Haruno's possible character development and the Subtle hints from Kishi, I finally saw two patterns connecting each other, more or less.
    It might be true, it might be not, but Kishi never does something without a reason. I know, you'll refuse to see it, because we're talking Sakura here and it's cool to hate on her, but I am here to talk to the ones I can have a discussion with.
    Before saying no, it's not possible, it's just a drawing, I think you need to think not twice, but trice about it. How many of us knew back in the beginning that Naruto was part of one of the most powerful and feared clans? None. You'd say, but he's the protagonist, that's why! Well, like it or not, people, she's also a protagonist. Deal with it, really.
    Now, let's get down to business.
    In my previous thread containing the theory about possible character development for Sakura, I spoke about how she is, in a way or another associated/linked with Hashirama Senju. She is more or less present when something related to Shodai appears, that's why it lead me to believe that what we're seeing now, some details regarding Hashirama are foreshadowings that will lead to Sakura's development.
    So, let me speak more about it in order to make myself understood better.
    When I saw the latest chapters, a short thing bumped in my head.

    These are similarities that you can't get past. Or, you can, given we're talking Sakura...
    But let me continue... I have seen some particularities in Sakura's character that remind me of Hashirama or, you could say, the viceversa. Particularities in Hashirama's character that reminded me of Sakura. But let us begin...

    Remember when she was young, Sakura alwasy had this position she used to stay and cry. Kishi has drew Hashirama the same way in the latest chapter. Both Hashirama and Sakura have similar drawing style. And usually when Kishi wants to emphasize on something, he draws the characters similar.
    So, here is Sakura:



    And, here is Hashirama:



    And as a proof, we have for example of Naruto, Yahiko, Nagato and Obito that have that similar big smile.









    Nagato's smile is from one of the panels of the extra pages included in the tankobon release of chapter 448.

    As well, we have Hashirama being quite emotional and insecure (more or less) "cry-baby" as well, in the latest panels, remembering us about Sakura back in her childhood years.





    Now, getting past these association in personality, let's get to the idea I'm trying to make here.
    Ever since the latest chapters appear, in my opinion, Hashirama foreshadows, as I said, possible upgrade for Sakura. In my previous theory, I explained you how she was more or less associated with Hashirama via Tsunade. Well, now, it's not only via Tsunade in my opinion.
    Let me explain how.
    Remember as I told you that back in part 1, Sakura made a big deal out of her forehead.



    Then, while Tsunade commented that Naruto is like a second Jiraiya, he commented that she, Tsunade, has raised another version of herself.



    Now, as I said back then, Kishi put an emphasis on the forehead via Tsunade's Yin Seal.




    Hundreds of chapters later, when Hashirama appears, guess what... his Sage Mode marking appears nowhere else but...exactly! On the forehead!





    Now, you would say that it's nothing... but remember my previous thread about how Sakura's Haruno symbol is similar to Naruto's one from the belly and arms?
    Well, it's not only similar to that, but it's more similar to Hashirama's circle on the forehead.

    Remember this?


    You may say it was coincidence, but I say it's not. Why? Because Kishi planned this symbol long time ago in his character design book:



    If you haven't picked it up, let me make it more clear...



    It's the exact symbol on Hashirama's forehead. You may say you don't believe it has a relevance... but let's think ... Why the same sign? Why on the forehead, which has been a big deal for Sakura back in the days? Why has she always been, in a way or another, associated with Hashirama? Why out of the newest generation she's the one to know about mokuton ninjutsu, a secret technique of Shodai's?
    As I said in the previous theory regarding her development...





    Why her being the one knowing this back then?

    Why her being paired with Yamato, in the mission they had?


    As well, later in the series, in this war... Why her being the one discovering the Zetsu, which is made from Hashirama, as we all know?





    Why showing her discovering data about Zetsus and coming to the conclusion they're made from Hashirama, being once again, somewhat associated with him?




    Why whenever it's something about Hashirama, almost every time Sakura is there? You might've said that it's all coincidence up till now, however, why have on his forehead, something important in Sakura's character, a symbol that is the same with the Haruno symbol. Be it coincidence? Or not?
    You know as they say... There is no coincidence! And talking about Kishi, who, when trying to foreshadow something, convey a message, has similar drawing style for multiple characters, I say something is up there for Sakura. Is up to you to see it or not...

    Anyway, if anyone has anything to add, feel free! But remember, discuss it nice and polite. I don't need trolls or people who dislike her. If you dislike her, simply, don't come into this thread. Avoid it.
    Thank you!

    LE: As well, why have her forehead thing drawn exactly like the Senjus used to have it back in the first picture with "Kishi what are you trying to pull" ?
    Naruto's and Sasuke's are drawn differently, while Sakura's is drawn exactly like the Senju ones. Why?

    Also, to make it clear, I am not saying she will be a Senju or something like this. What I am saying is that even if she is a normal girl, she might get to Senju-like powers, despite being a normal girl. Now that would be an excellent example of hard work and morale that even if you're not part of a clan, you can still be powerful. Minato Namikaze, anyone?

    Later edit:


    Ok, now I wanted to bring more 'proofs', if you want to call them like that, to see why I said that Hashirama is foreshadowing a Sakura development and why he is associated with her or, viceversa. When I said related/linked/associated, this is what I meant.
    That Sakura and Hashirama share similar traits that have been found only in the two of them.
    Now, as I said throughout the thread, besides the obvious Naruto/Sasuke parallel, Madara's and Hashirama's childhood flashbacks remember me a lot of Ino's and Sakura.

    Let's count them a bit here.

    1: When they first meet, they introduce themselves in a similar way that Ino and Sakura did, asking about their one another's names, differences are, of course, considering Ino and Sakura lived in a different times, however, Ino is pretty much similar to Madara, the confident one and, as I previously showed, Hashirama is potrayed the same way Sakura was back then, a bit insecure and always had that sitting position. No need to re post it as I did it before.

    2. Latest chapter showed us how more and more similar their relationship with Ino's and Sakura is.
    Madara comments on Hashirama's style, the same way Ino's commented about Sakura's.



    3. Another similarity is that after Madara's/Ino's comment, both Hashirama and Sakura begin changing their styles, in order to look better.





    Oh, another thing that I forgot, when Madara says to Hashirama that he can read him like an open book, remember who did that in part 1?
    Yeap, Ino. In the Forest of Death situation after Naruto asks Sakura what about her hair and she lies in order to not make him worry, Ino catches that immediately, reading her...like an open book!

    4. In their respective fights, both Ino's and Sakura's panels were drawn similar to Madara's and Hashirama's ones.





    5. Also, similar drawing style and the overall idea/cotext we find it in the latest chapter.
    Both Hashirama and Madara were shown having the same resolution, agreeing over the Konoha subject, their thing together, if you want to name it like that, in the same manner that Sakura and Ino were having the resolution and were shown in the end agreeing over their own thing.



    You will say that it's slightly different. Yes, it might be, however, in the next panel, Sakura has the same facial expression like Hashirama.



    6. While drawn differently, given the times and places, another similarity is the fact how both Hashirama and Madara had their special place where they were meeting, the same way Sakura and Ino had.

    7. Also, in the same way the rock is a representative of Hashirama and Madara's friendship, in Sakura and Ino's one, we have the flower. And to my knowledge, both pairs share this unique trait.

    8. As we have been showed in the latest chapter, another common trait they both share is their superior chakra control.



    Now, getting past those similarities and what I've already presented before, as I reminded you, in the past, Sakura asked Yamato if he could teach her Shodai's binding technique.



    Once again, her, being in one way or another associated with him. Back at that time, probably meant nothing, but considering the latest events, it might mean something, in the end.

    Also, as someone reminded me here, Hashirama has a technique related to flowers that puts people to sleep.
    Well, whose name has the meaning of a flower and was showed to be proficient with sleeping gas bombs?

    Sure, as I stated all throughout this thread, all this could mean nothing or it could mean something.

    The best what we can do is to wait and see, but in the end, a little discussion won't hurt, will it?


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    Later edit II:


    Just wanted to say that I will, later, when I'll have time, update it with a scenario that fits to the current plot so that people will understand better, thing I already had in mind and that NarutoKage2 suggested. But before doing that, let me add something quick to strengthen this theory.


    Another connection or however you want to say is the following:
    [copy paste from an actual response to a member, in regards to Sakura throughout the story, as a character and the symbol]:

    ~~**~~

    Well, if you would have researched a bit about the symbol, you would've seen that she doesn't need something major to happen in her life. As well, if you would have taken notice of her character all-throughout the manga, you would've seen that this symbol is a heavily related to her symbol and with her development throughout the manga.
    Anyway, let me try to explain this a bit.
    I think I've seen this theory on the base, but can't remember who made it. I know for certain the person but can't remember the username so I could've told you who. Kirin-Rei, maybe?
    However, I have found this on other forum, so credits to the initial creator.


    Hashirama's forehead seal, that circumpunct, is actually the Bindu symbol. What does it mean?
    It represents a vast number of things, but mainly; creating life from nothingness.
    - Meaning, his regeneration abilities, similar to Tsunade's Byakugou, derived from Sōzō Saisei (Creation Rebirth). The Sage's technique Banbutsu Sōzō means Creation of all things. See the connection here? Basically, Tsunade creates life out of nothingness. More or less, since she does it with her chakra, but I think you get the idea.

    Anyway, moving along...
    Bindu is said to be located at the back of the head. This centre is said to be where the chakra is produced from, a chakra that can be the nectar of immortality.
    In metaphysical terms, Bindu is considered to be the point where creation begins.

    Now, at the back of the head thing. If you remember back in part one, Naruto and Sakura were compared to Heaven and Earth, more specifically, Body and Mind. General conception, the mind resides in the head. So, there you go, another connection.


    In most books the Bindu chakra is not mentioned, but in the Tantra teaching a lot is written about the healing and rejuvenating effects of said chakra. It's basically considered to be the health centre of the human body and when put to use, it's said to speed up healing, satisfy the being both physically and spiritually and basically grant the user immortality.

    Now, what do we get here... healing and rejuvenating.
    Don't you find really suspicious the fact that Sakura, out of all the things she could've been, she became a medical nin?
    Keep in mind healing and rejuvenating.
    Let's get to something else about Sakura. As we all know, Sakura's color eye is green. What is it known/said about green?


    Green is a vibrant and fresh color that has connotations of life-force, vegetation, rejuvenation, youthfulness, and health. In the chakra system, green is the color associated with the fourth chakra, also known as the heart chakra, and is associated with empathy, compassion and the power to heal. The fourth chakra is associated with the path of devotion that elevates spiritual love above religious ritual. Green eyes can indicate a youthful-seeming and compassionate person of boundless energy who has immense creativity as well as the gift of healing.

    Coincidence much about the symbol she had above her head, Hashirama has on his forehead, what the color of her eyes are, what it means, Tsunade's heritage, skills, color coat? All these have one thing in common: healing.

    Coincidence much that all these details are linked and connected to each-other? Most of them have in common healing, rejuvenating, immortality? And that the only characters that are associated with such thing are Hashirama, Tsunade (who even has her green coat) and Sakura.

    Well, excuse me if I think not.

    ~~**~~

    LATER EDIT 3


    Since we previously talked about the Bindu symbol (if you want to read more about the Bindu Chakra, you can do it here), I found something pretty interesting:

    Whilst this energy centre “sleeps” it is similar to a dot, but when awakened its energy begins to flow or to “drip”.

    Now, on who have we seen a dripping dot?





    Update:
    Well, coincidence much or not, again, when Hashirama is mentioned, guess who is featured?





    Soo, so many coincidences...
     
         
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    Re: Theory: Kishimoto foreshadowing Sakura development via Hashirama Senju.

    That is a good theory! I must say I agree. Kishi has left sakura kinda undeveloped... he needs to power her up somehow...
    ~Awesome to see a mod post theories!!
     
         

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    Re: Theory: Kishimoto foreshadowing Sakura development via Hashirama Senju.

    its not cool to hate on sakura, Its just that she makes it so easy to dislike her, plus I dont agree I think kishi is pretty much done with her ur just seeing things that arent there I guess but we'll see what happens (;
     
         

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    Re: Theory: Kishimoto foreshadowing Sakura development via Hashirama Senju.

    You posted it! Awesome, and yes, I totally agree with you. There's a lot more to Sakura than Kishimoto's lets on, and making characters significantly similar usually connects them in a unique way to each other. Really well done, Chatte!
     
         

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    Re: Theory: Kishimoto foreshadowing Sakura development via Hashirama Senju.

    That was a great theory. I think you might be right because kishi hasn't developed her much, so this could be her moment of developement.
     
         

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    Re: Theory: Kishimoto foreshadowing Sakura development via Hashirama Senju.

    It's very possible. I love this thread it's very well thought out. And Pluss senju have good chakra control and so does she but I feel like I'm stretching it a lil.
     
         

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    Re: Theory: Kishimoto foreshadowing Sakura development via Hashirama Senju.

    nice theory ^.^
    what would she use it for if she did get the upgrade, since shes a med ninja.
     
         

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    Re: Theory: Kishimoto foreshadowing Sakura development via Hashirama Senju.

    Quote Originally Posted by xjimbox View Post
    It's very possible. I love this thread it's very well thought out. And Pluss senju have good chakra control and so does she but I feel like I'm stretching it a lil.
    Is that J man in your ava? Senju's do have good chakra control but we haven't seen Sakura show us how large her chakra reserves are.
     
         

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    Re: Theory: Kishimoto foreshadowing Sakura development via Hashirama Senju.

    Great thread Chatte, I do believe you have something here
     
         

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    Re: Theory: Kishimoto foreshadowing Sakura development via Hashirama Senju.

    nice but anyway... the Pictures doesn't mean anything for Sakura Nor Hashirama...the simbol doesn't Care.. Sakura doesn't have anything to do with that. its good and stuff but naa...
     
         

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    Re: Theory: Kishimoto foreshadowing Sakura development via Hashirama Senju.

    You sir did a great job :D I would never notice that symbol similarity....
     
         

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    Re: Theory: Kishimoto foreshadowing Sakura development via Hashirama Senju.

    Mind=blown... how we're suppose to know her power up since Kishi is not going to shows us how Hashirama gradually gain his power.
    Who's is going to train her?
    Is she's going to receive sage mode...
    Would Tsunade do something to her like passing her powers or something.
    If she's not Senju what power she can receive?
     
         
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    Re: Theory: Kishimoto foreshadowing Sakura development via Hashirama Senju.

    I like your theory, and believe it might come true
     
         

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    Re: Theory: Kishimoto foreshadowing Sakura development via Hashirama Senju.

    Quote Originally Posted by Misaki Yata View Post
    Is that J man in your ava? Senju's do have good chakra control but we haven't seen Sakura show us how large her chakra reserves are.
    Yes it's jman in sagemode and she has good control witch most likely means that she can distribute it at the right amounts so she's not overusing it. She doesn't just go spam friendly. I think she's makes good use of what she has.
     
         

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    Re: Theory: Kishimoto foreshadowing Sakura development via Hashirama Senju.

    I really do enjoy this theory, and you're one of the few people that know how Kishi foreshadow's things, bravo! That's a feat not many can be proud of! I wasn't aware of this before, but now that you've told me I really do think this is going to happen. Upgrade Sakura Kishi! C'mon! At least let her punch Madara in the face or something before the war is over xD
     
         

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    Re: Theory: Kishimoto foreshadowing Sakura development via Hashirama Senju.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dribbles View Post
    I really do enjoy this theory, and you're one of the few people that know how Kishi foreshadow's things, bravo! That's a feat not many can be proud of! I wasn't aware of this before, but now that you've told me I really do think this is going to happen. Upgrade Sakura Kishi! C'mon! At least let her punch Madara in the face or something before the war is over xD

    She'd die while trying to get close lol
     
         

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    Re: Theory: Kishimoto foreshadowing Sakura development via Hashirama Senju.

    I agree she will gy stronger through some sort of power up
    But i dont believe it will be through hashirama.
    Good theory though
     
         

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    Re: Theory: Kishimoto foreshadowing Sakura development via Hashirama Senju.

    I agree that they are many similarities that can't be denied and claimed to be coincidences.
    But I believe you overlooked some points.
    Hashi info
    1)Sakura was Tsunade's apprentice for 3 years and she was really close to her.She has admitted that she was reading/searching (secretly) documents that Tsunade had, to find more about Orochimaru and Sasuke.Uchiha's were always connected to the Senju's in a way so she might bumped into info about the Senju clan there.
    2)Hashirama was know for his medical ninjutsu techs and Sakura is a medical nin so they may have been references about him in books (we all know Sakura reads too much).
    3)She admitted she spent a lot of time with Tsunade,not only in medical ninjutsu training, so σhe could always gained info from Hashirama's abilities from her.
    Senju abilities
    Kakashi stated on part1 that even though her chakra control abilities are incredible she didn't have big chakra reserves like Naruto or Sasuke.He also said that her stamina was not near the levels of those two.
    Now from what we've seen Senju's had incredible chakra reserves.Hashirama used many OP techniques before going into SM,Tobirama was know to be able to create big and powerful suiton jutsus even were there was no water source and Tsunade has shown to have big chakra reserves before even releasing her Yin seal.
    Finally Senju's are know for their strong bodies and their strong life force.I don't think Sakura ever showed great durability.
    So I believe that if Sakura get's a power up it will be something in the similar level of Tsunade and I really don't see many connecting parts with her and the Senju's.
    I really disagree to the personality part,but that's mostly on how somebody is perceiving a character so I am not going to expand more on that.
     
         

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    Re: Theory: Kishimoto foreshadowing Sakura development via Hashirama Senju.

    Mind=blown
    As always, you did a great job! I never noticed they had the same symbol, lol. Anyway, I'm sure he has something in store for her, it isn't like him to forget about his main character. + rep
     
         

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    Re: Theory: Kishimoto foreshadowing Sakura development via Hashirama Senju.

    I hope you are wrong, thats all i can say
     
         

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    Re: Theory: Kishimoto foreshadowing Sakura development via Hashirama Senju.

    I'm thoroughly impressed with this research. I've been a supporter for Sakura from the start so I for one sincerely appreciate this thread. Way to go Chatte!!
     
         

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    Re: Theory: Kishimoto foreshadowing Sakura development via Hashirama Senju.

    Nice piece of work Chatte, the things you have highlighted also show that the Haruno clan have a connection to the Senju. Maybe they have been allies or even distant relatives, but the way I see it Kishi putted Haruno clans symbol to foreshadow Sakura actually learning senjutsu. Still that is what I think it might be if it's not what Chatte has suggested.
     
         

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    Re: Theory: Kishimoto foreshadowing Sakura development via Hashirama Senju.

    I doubt she'll get any power ups from or similar to Senju.It would be weird if someone outside of Senju or Uzumaki to have a simlar abilities.You showed interesting images/points but the fact that Sakura doesn't have the stamina,chakra or physical strength of a Senju doesn't really click with me
     
         

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    Re: Theory: Kishimoto foreshadowing Sakura development via Hashirama Senju.

    amazing theory
    but do you think the markings on hashi's head(minus the bullseye-looking symbol) resemble the antennas on Katsuyu
     
         

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    Re: Theory: Kishimoto foreshadowing Sakura development via Hashirama Senju.

    Hashirama senju should never be speaked in the same sentence with Sakura or Tsunade , those are the moust useless character's in the whole manga !

    Also your theory its bad and you know why because Naruto has the same symbols on his BM chakra mode ! That means Naruto has Hashirama Sage Mode or Kishi is foreshadowing something ? NOPE



    Kishi already said in a inteview that Sakura is a normal girl is not a special one , she will probaly save tsuande and the other kage's and surpass tsuande in her own way !!!
     
         

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