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    Re: The Case Of Rikudou Sennin Being An Uzumaki [Full Version]

    What if Members of the five Nation Sealing Teams turn out to be Uzumaki? Think on that.
     
         

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    Re: The Case Of Rikudou Sennin Being An Uzumaki [Full Version]

    Your threads always make sense, and are completely sound. Very solid, nice work!
     
         

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    Re: The Case Of Rikudou Sennin Being An Uzumaki [Full Version]

    Quote Originally Posted by Penguin2640 View Post
    Your threads always make sense, and are completely sound. Very solid, nice work!
    Thanks for liking it
     
         

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    Re: The Case Of Rikudou Sennin Being An Uzumaki [Full Version]

    great work! i appreciate all the effort you put in these great threads.

    Keep Making Theories.
     
         

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    Re: The Case Of Rikudou Sennin Being An Uzumaki [Full Version]

    I believe this, hence why Madara pick Nagato with his rinnegan.

    Rep for you brah
     
         

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    Re: The Case Of Rikudou Sennin Being An Uzumaki [Full Version]

    Quote Originally Posted by Naru2GT View Post
    I believe this, hence why Madara pick Nagato with his rinnegan.

    Rep for you brah
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    Re: The Case Of Rikudou Sennin Being An Uzumaki [Full Version]

    These are good theories, but the manga already kinda stated that uzumaki=senju
     
         

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    Re: The Case Of Rikudou Sennin Being An Uzumaki [Full Version]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jako98146 View Post
    These are good theories, but the manga already kinda stated that uzumaki=senju
    No the Uzumakis were called "distant blood relatives" by Kushina

    what Zetsu meant by "lineage" in chapter 606 is translated accdg. to context as "kinship" or blood relative

    If they were descendants of Senju, then they would be immediate/direct relatives, not distant.
     
         

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    Re: The Case Of Rikudou Sennin Being An Uzumaki [Full Version]

    Nice Theory! *****!
     
         

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    Re: The Case Of Rikudou Sennin Being An Uzumaki [Full Version]

    finally someone made it.

    the uzumaki clan i think are the first desendents before the the so6p became host and i think it was a girl which explains why the manga said female uzumakis can have special chakra/techs.

    and for all the people who dont try to use their brain to put pieces to together and mindlessly say senju=uzumaki, revalidate your thinking capabilities after i say i told ya so.

    hah uzumaki=senju ya ok.
     
         
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    Re: The Case Of Rikudou Sennin Being An Uzumaki [Full Version]

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    great work! i appreciate all the effort you put in these great threads.

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    Re: The Case Of Rikudou Sennin Being An Uzumaki [Full Version]

    You make theories to frequently, so I cant rep everything .

    One of the only things that I found a bit odd was saying Minato had triangular markings on his chest, like the sage had on the floor.
    I think those markings arent triangular markings, they are the same markings as the Uzumaki four symbol seal arent they?
     
         

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    Re: The Case Of Rikudou Sennin Being An Uzumaki [Full Version]

    Quote Originally Posted by meowNverse View Post
    You make theories to frequently, so I cant rep everything .

    One of the only things that I found a bit odd was saying Minato had triangular markings on his chest, like the sage had on the floor.
    I think those markings arent triangular markings, they are the same markings as the Uzumaki four symbol seal arent they?
    Yes, but why do the same image appear on Rikudou's platform?
     
         

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    Re: The Case Of Rikudou Sennin Being An Uzumaki [Full Version]

    Quote Originally Posted by Derp Obito View Post
    I would like to share the complete synthesis of my theory that Rikudou Sennin/The Sage of the Six Paths was an Uzumaki. They are separated into ten parts, I hope you enjoy reading them, thanks!




    1. The Scroll of Sealing, Naruto and Rikudou Sennin
    Do you remember the giant scroll Naruto stole in the first chapter of the series? the one called "The Scroll of Seals" where Naruto learned his most prominent technique: Shadow Clone Jutsu




    And doesn't the image of the Rikudou Sennin on the Gedo Mazo resemble the said scroll?



    And doesn't it appear that the Uzumaki Spirals appear on the image as well?

    And wasn't it said the scroll was in the possession of the First Hokage, Hashirama Senju?



    And wasn't the scroll of sealing have been most probably given to Hashirama by his wife Mito who was an Uzumaki, her clan who specializes in Sealing/Fūinjutsu:



    And did not Mizuki state the scroll (or the information contained in it) was used to seal Kurama inside Naruto?


    The Scroll of Seals had the information on the Fuinjutsu used to seal Kurama inside Naruto

    And did not the Fuinjutsu/Sealing Tech originated from the Uzumakis?


    So if the scroll had the info. on the Fuinjutsu used to seal Kurama on Naruto, and if Kushina said the Fuinjutsu used on Kurama was an Uzumaki Fuinjutsu, then the Scroll of Seals must definitely belong to the Uzumakis.

    So there's a high possibility that Rikudou Sennin himself was an Uzumaki, like the main character of the series:
    Naruto Uzumaki.









    2. The Relationship of the Uchiha and Senju Ancestors to the Uzumaki Bloodline



    Has anyone ever wondered why there is an eerie similarity between the Uzumaki Clan Symbol/Uzumaki Sealing Jutsus and the Uchiha Elder Son's Eyes?

    Uzumaki Symbol



    Uchiha Ancestor


    You think there is a logical connection between their similarities or was it just pure coincidence that the Sharingan ancestor and the Uzumaki symbol look almost alike:

    I think there is a reasonable and plausible connection between the two of them:

    The Uzumaki Four Symbol Seal In Naruto:


    The Juubi's Eye


    If we superimpose the images of the Uzumaki's Shishō Fūin (Four Symbol Seal) with the Juubi's Eye:



    It would look very similar to this: The Uchiha Ancestor's Eyes:



    This leads to the possibility that Rikudou Sennin used an Uzumaki Sealing Jutsu to imprison the Juubi thus him becoming its' first Jinchuuriki

    The spiraling pattern in the Uchiha Ancestor's Eye is a manifestation of the sealing jutsu used by the Sage to imprison the Juubi

    But, a question arises: If this is true then why didn't the Uchiha Ancestor inherited his Lord Father's Rinnegan instead of this Pseudo Rinnegan Looking Eyes?

    The Answer Is: The Uchiha Ancestor lacked Rikudou Sennin's Yang, for it was the Senju Ancestor who inherited the body of the Sage while the Uchiha Ancestor inherited the eye. Therefore since you need both the eyes and the body of Rikudou Sennin to awaken the Rinnegan, then it is impossible for the Elder Son to awaken the blessed Rinnegan eye by himself.

    Another Question: If this is true then the Uchiha descendants of the Elder Son would have possessed the Elder Son's spiraling pattern eyes instead of the Juubi-looking Sharingan with the tomoes.

    The Answer: The Sharingan is the manifestation of the corrupting influence of the Juubi that was present when the Sage of the Six Paths sired his two sons and had affected the Elder Son, who became filled with hatred when the Father chose the Younger Son as his successor.

    Another Question: If Rikudou Sennin's spiraled-pattern sealing jutsu is reflected in the Uchiha Ancestor's Eyes, then how did the Juubi's corruptive influence mutated the Elder Son's eye if it manifests the Fūinjutsu used by Rikudou Sennin to seal the Juubi in the first place?

    The Answer: Hatred The Uchiha Ancestor started hating his brother the Senju Ancestor when the Sage chose the Younger Son (Senju Ancestor) as his successor rather than his Elder Son (Uchiha Ancestor) this gave rise to intense psychological emotions within the Elder Son. And what does intense psychological emotions awakens in an Uchiha descendant? The Sharingan, Since the Elder Son must have felt tremendous hatred towards his younger brother for being chosen over him by their Lord Father, then the corrupt influence of the Juubi must have mutated the Elder Son's Eyes from the Uzumaki Seal-like spiraled pattern appearance to the Sharingan of the present day, the manifestation of Rikudou Sennin's seal reflected on the eye of the Elder Son, transformed into the Sharingan of the Uchihas.




    What I am trying to point out is this: The Spiral Pattern of the Uchiha Ancestor's Eyes is an ocular manifestation of the Sealing Jutsu used by the Sage on the Juubi to seal it within himself, and when he sired his two sons, the Senju Ancestor inherited the body of the father while the Uchiha Ancestor inherited the eyes of the Sage which, like I said, manifested the spiral-patterned appearance of the sealing technique that Rikudou Sennin used which bears great resemblance to the Uzumaki Sealing Jutsu like the one on Naruto's, which probably makes Rikudou Sennin an Uzumaki

    Now, leads to the second part of my theory: The Uzumaki Family is the parental ancestral family of Rikudou Sennin and is the original bloodline of Rikudou Sennin that split with the schism of The Uchiha and Senju Ancestors.

    A question arises again: If this is true then the Uzumakis could not have performed sealing jutsus during the Sage's Era, even if the Uzumakis were the Sage of the Six Path's Parental Family, since only when Rikudou Sennin discovered the very nature of chakra and founded ninjutsu was any other people after the Sage able to wield chakra and ninjutsu, so its' impossible that the Sage learned the Sealing Jutsu used on the Juubi from the Uzumaki Progenitor Heritage, which is assumed to be the parental family of the Sage.

    The Answer Is: It is not the Progenitor Uzumakis who thought Rikudou Sennin the sealing jutsus that the present-day Shinobi Uzumaki Clan are now renowned for, but, quite the contrary, it is Rikudou Sennin himself who taught his family, his relatives, the Uzumakis, the art of Fūinjutsu, He was the one who founded Ninjutsu and used this power to defeat the Juubi, then he took a wife and had two sons: The Elder Son and the Younger Son. Now, since he had left the legacy of his physical and spiritual composition to his two sons: The Uchiha Eyes (powerful chakra/spirit energy) and the Senju Body (powerful life force and physical energy) then it is plausible that he left the art of Fūinjutsu to his own parental familial clan: The Uzumaki Family Clan, since Rikudou Sennin spread the teaching of Ninjutsu, then it only follows that if the Sage had a parental family with relatives he would also teach them the art of ninjutsu and wielding chakra, and what better ninjutsu to teach your own relatives other than the sealing techniques that Rikudou specializes on since he sealed the Juubi: Fūinjutsu, he left his biological and genetic legacy to his two sons, which are inheritable from the Sage because they were his offspring, but he must have also left something concerning chakra and ninjutsu that is transferable to his parental family or relatives: Sealing Jutsus.

    Now, since I have established that the Uzumaki Family is most probably the progenitor family of both the Senju and Uchiha Clans (and the current day Uzumaki Shinobi Clan, those who are not immediate relatives of the Sage but belonged to Rikudou's parental ancestry none the less) which their father Rikudou Sennin is a member of that familial clan (I stress out familial from shinobi clan, since I wanted to specify that these were the progenitors or the very early ancestor clans of the present day Shinobi Clans) Then its' only natural that after Rikudou Sennin died, these secondary relatives of his, his Uzumaki relatives from which he was counted as one, would continue his legacy, and what legacy did he left them: Sealing Jutsus/Fūinjutsu.

    Elder Son (Uchiha Ancestor) - genetic inheritance: Sage's eyes

    Younger Son (Senju Ancestor) - genetic inheritance: Sage's body

    Uzumaki Relatives of Rikudou- jutsu techniques inheritance/taught by Rikudou, left to them as his legacy


    And since the sealing technique used on the Juubi by the Sage is most probably the same sealing technique used on Naruto by his mother Kushina Uzumaki (albeit to a lesser degree of power than Rikudou's)



    Then it follows that the symbol of the Uzumaki Clan was based on Rikudou Sennin's Sealing Jutsu's Appearance:



    That is demonstrated by the manifestation of the appearance of the spiral pattern of the Uzumaki Sealing Technique on the Uchiha Son's Eyes, the eyes which were later corrupted by the Juubi that birthed the Sharingan.



    Therefore, in conclusion, the Uchiha Ancestor's Eyes are the manifestation of the Uzumaki Sealing Technique Used By Rikudou Sennin to become the Juubi's Jinchuuriki. The Uzumakis being the original bloodline that split between the Uchihas and Senjus schism, while the sealing technique itself was passed on by Rikudou Sennin to his own parental relatives: The Uzumaki Family Clan.





    3. The Gold and Silver Brothers and their Relationship with Rikudou Sennin and the Uzumakis

    Did any of you notice an eerie similarity between The Gold and Silver Bros' Horns to the Shinigami of Reaper Death Seal, right down to the shape and the angular curve of the Reaper's horns?

    Kinkaku and Ginkaku


    Uzumaki Sealing Jutsu's Shinigami





    And did not the Raikage mentioned that the brothers were related to the Sage of the Six Paths?



    And weren't the brothers possessing immense vitality and chakra reserves much like the Uzumakis? that is why they were able to feed off from Kurama's chakra and survive while others who have tried to emulate the process of eating a Bijuu's parts died.



    And were not the Gold and Silver Bros. the only successful ones to become Kurama's Jinchuuriki much like the Uzumakis, albeit an incomplete one (Pseudo Jinchuuriki) through consuming Kurama's meat?



    Much Like Naruto who was an Uzumaki?


    Were not the Uzumakis the only suitable Jinchuurikis of Kurama that they had to be imported from the Land of Eddys by Konoha, like Hashirama's wife Mito and Minato's wife Kushina Uzumaki?




    And were not Ginkaku and Kinkaku the wielders of the Treasured Tools of Rikudou Sennin? and is it not a fact that it requires tremendous amounts of vitality and chakra in order to wield them, much like the Uzumakis possessing immense vitality and chakra reserves?



    And are not four of the Treasured Tools used for Sealing Technique/ Sealing Purposes?
    And are they not the original tools of Rikudou Sennin?






    Are not the Uzumakis the primary experts of sealing techniques/rituals?



    Since the Gold and Silver brothers were said to be related to the Sage of the Six Paths, it's very probable that the Sage of the Six Paths was an Uzumaki himself, their appearances resembling the reaper, becoming Kurama's pseudo-Jinchuuriki by eating its' flesh (and surviving) the use of the treasured tools, four of which are used together for sealing tech, even Rikudou Sennin was purported to have horn-like protrusions in his head:






    4. Regarding Kushina's Statements And The Uzumaki Relationship With Rikudou Sennin

    This is the Viz translation of Tobi's words:



    It says The Sage of the Six Paths developed A Certain Ninjutsu that is being passed down to this day: It Is The Sealing Jutsu Process Of Jinchuuriki


    Now, this is the Viz translation of Kushina's own words, regarding the Jinchuuriki Sealing Jutsu:



    Now Kushina said and I quote: The Seal on your belly was based ON A JUTSU ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED BY MY VILLAGE

    Therefore, if Tobi said that the Sealing Jutsu of becoming Jinchuuriki was invented by the Sage, and Kushina said that the Sealing Jutsu of becoming Jinchuuriki was originally from the Uzumakis, then it only logically follows that Rikudou Sennin himself was an Uzumaki: Rikudou Uzumaki.






    And since Kurama recognized Kushina/Naruto's sealing as Rikudou Sennin's then Rikudou must have been definitely an Uzumaki:



    Rikudou


    Naruto



    If you remember the history of the founding of the Shinobi Villages, it was Hashirama who tamed the bijuus and distributed them to the Shinobi Villages to maintain the balance of power, each village had a different variant of the sealing technique used by the Sage (eg. Killer B's Iron Armor Seal and Naruto's Eight Triagrams) but, the method and process of the sealing itself originated from Rikudou Sennin and the process remained the same despite the variation on the type of seal used, and since Kurama recognized Rikudou Sennin's own sealing jutsu when Naruto and Kushina took his chakra, then it definitely means that not only the type of seal, but the very method and process of creating the seal of the Jinchuuriki originated from the Uzumakis since Kushina claimed that not only the type of seal, but the jutsu or the Fūinjutsu itself was developed by their clan

    Think about it: if the Uzumaki Jinchuuriki seal was merely a variant of the common jinchuuriki seal that was used by the other villages, then why did Kushina mention that not only was Naruto's seal original but the jutsu itself was originally developed by their clan:




    Meaning Naruto's type of Seal (Tetragram Seal) had the basis of the seal from (The jutsu of the seal itself) a jutsu created by the Uzumaki Clan

    Meaning the type of seal (The Tetragram Seal ) was based on the jutsu that was originally developed by the Uzumakis, and since Rikudou Sennin, was the one who originated that jutsu and in conjunction with Kushina's statement, then it only logically follows that Rikudou himself was an Uzumaki Ancestor.





    5. Rikudou Sennin and the Elder Toad Sage


    Based on IKSOKRIPS' Naruto Timeline, the Elder Toad is approx. 3000 years old, and probably lived around the time of Rikudo and his sons



    Both Rikudo and Elder Toad have the gift of prophecy

    Rikudou foretold of a person who would guide the Bijuus on the right path when the time comes



    Elder Toad foretold the Child of Prophecy.


    It's possible that the Elder Toad Sage and Rikudo Sennin knew each other, the toad might even be Rikudo's contract summon, that's why both of them have the powers of prophecy, thoughts?




    6. Uzumaki Fuinjutsu and Rikudou Sennin


    Has it occurred to anyone that Rikudou Sennin and the Uzumakis share something similar: Very Powerful Sealing Techniques
    What is the ultimate sealing technique we've seen so far? not the Reaper Death Seal that's for certain:




    So which is it? the answer lies in the Moon:




    The moon was created from the ultimate sealing technique: Chibaku Tensei from Rikudou's Rinnegan



    The Moon was a result of a sealing jutsu performed by the Sage to imprison the Juubi, The method of becoming a Jinchuuriki originated from the Sage, his sealing powers were top-tier much like the Uzumakis:



    It's possible that Rikudou Sennin was an Uzumaki, the Uzumaki's being the original bloodline that split into the Senju and Uchiha after the Elder and Younger son fought, but a question arises: why the Uzumakis were claimed to be distant relatives of only the Senjus and not of the Uchihas? the answer is ancestral alliance

    Since the Senju Ancestor and the Uzumakis share their common beliefs of goodness and peace, they remained as allies throughout the centuries, while the Uzumaki's other branch relative: The Uchihas believed in the antithesis of love and peace which is war and hatred, they were still related by blood, but not by beliefs: hence they claim only the Senjus as their common relatives and not the Uchihas. Since warring clans already existed prior to the founding of Shinobi villages, it's possible that the Sage also belonged to a clan, a clan that specializes in sealing jutsus: The Uzumaki Clan.

    I understand that the Sage created Ninjutsu, or to be specific, he discovered the very nature of chakra and founded the modern art of Ninjutsu, but let us pause and analyze for a moment, Jiraiya stated that the time of the Sage was an era of constant strife, whether the warring factions had access to Ninjutsu or not is a moot point, however, what is clear is that the Sage must have belong to some family, because it's only natural that despite his demigod powers, he was still mortal, and must have had parents or more specifically a clan, since Jiraiya have stated the turbulent warring era of the Sage then it only means that there are factions that were at odds during the Sage's time, for war is brought forth from the difference of factions, and what factions have been the predominant warring groups that where shown in the Manga? Clans. The Sage therefore must have belonged to a clan before he had his two sons: The Senju and Uchiha Ancestors.

    Now, the Rinnegan was an inherent power of the Sage since it belonged to his eye, it is possible that when he founded the art of ninjutsu, and if we assume that no one then knew how to wield chakra, gave the art of sealing techniques to his parental clan: The Uzumakis (who, for the sake of argument, we assume did not wield ninjutsu) so the Sage having a parental family, the Uzumakis, married and had two sons, The Uchiha and the Senju ancestors, they inherited their father's vast powers, but, at the same time, the Sage left a legacy for his own parental clan, The Uzumakis, the Sealing Jutsus he used.


    I understand that Zetsu mentioned in a previous chapter that Nagato was of Senju Lineage, which, at face value, makes it appear that the Uzumakis were a branch root of the main branch: The Senjus



    However this is a false misconception, if we take the translation of lineage based on the context of Zetsu's statement in conjunction with Kushina's statement in a later chapter, the most accurate meaning of lineage, based on context, is the anthropological definition of the word: Kinship

    kin·ship - Connection by blood, marriage, or adoption; family relationship.

    Since Kushina did not specify that the Uzumakis were a derivative branch family of the Senjus, then it is logical to conclude, that in conjunction with Zetsu's statement, the true intended meaning of the word "lineage" based on the context of his statement was : Kinship, of being related by blood, not the Uzumakis being a derived branch from the Senjus.




    7. Concerning the Destruction of the Uzumaki Village


    I have come to the conclusion that based on the evidences presented in the manga up to the present point that the destruction of Uzushiogakure was instigated none other than by Madara himself through his agents: the shinobis of the Kirigakure, for the expressed purposes of eliminating a potential threat, and most importantly, the acquisition of the host of the Rinnegan: Nagato Uzumaki.




    Now, based on Kushina's statement to Naruto, she was aware of the destruction of Uzushiogakure, which means the destruction had occur before or within her own lifespan:



    And based on her statements also, it is safe to conclude that the destruction occur immediately before or after Kushina's arrival in Konoha, since the transplantation of the Rinnegan to Nagato occured approximately 32 years BSS, and Nagato only awakened it in 28 BSS when he and his family were already living in Amegakure after Uzushiogakure's destruction, the same year when Kushina arrived in Konoha, which makes the destruction of Uzushiogakure within the time frame of Kushina's childhood.

    Now, concerning the Second Shinobi World War, the participants were Konohagakure, led by the Third Hokage, Sunagakure, likely led by the Third Kazekage, Amegakure, led by Hanzō of the Salamander, and Iwagakure, presumably led by the Third Tsuchikage.

    So the participants were:

    1.Konohagakure
    2.Sunagakure,
    3.Amegakure
    4.Iwagakure

    But wait, aren't there FIVE shinobi villages? of the Five Great Shinobi Countries? but which one is missing:

    Answer: Kirigakure, "Village Hidden by Mist"

    So why were they missing? why would one of the five great shinobi villages not participate in a shinobi world war? what were they doing at the time?

    The Answer: The Destruction of Uzushiogakure



    It was the perfect timing, Konoha, the ally of Uzushiogakure, was engaged in a war with the other three villages, Kirigakure under the guise of being neutral, could muster its' military force and focus on one objective, the destruction of the Hidden Leaf's village ally: Uzushiogakure

    Do you not wonder why they only chose to participate in the Third Shinobi World War, and even so only near its' climax? it was because they had ulterior motives in not joining in the war, the destruction of the Uzumaki village and the scattering of the Uzumaki Clan members.

    But who was in control of Kirigakure during that time?

    The Answer: Madara Uchiha


    We all know that Yagura, the fourth Mizukage was being controlled by Tobi, but, if my suspicions are correct, Tobi only inherited control of Kirigakure when Madara died meaning Madara most probably controlled Kirigakure since before or during the Second Shinobi World War.

    [This also leads me to believe that Kirigakure, upon the orders/control of Madara, was the one who staged the death of Rin in order to gain alliance from Obito, who became Madara's protege/successor]

    But why would Madara want to destroy Uzushiogakure? well since the Uzumaki Clan possessed very powerful Fuinjutsu (and are even rumored to be Rikudou Sennin's original bloodline) then it's logical to assume that Uzushiogakure would pose a very serious threat to the Eye of the Moon Plan





    They were a threat and they needed to be eliminated at any cost, or the very least, scatter them in the wind like a thousand broken glasses.


    And since a herd divided is easier to manipulate/control than one that is united, then it would have been easier for Madara to obtain his prized possession, his other motive:




    Madara needed him to further awaken the Rinnegan's powers, esp Rinnei Tensei which would've been used to revive Madara when the Eye of the Moon Plan commences:




    With the destruction of Uzushiogakure, Madara had achieved two goals:

    1. Eliminate the Uzumaki threat

    2. Acquire an ample host for the Rinnegan

    The Eye of the Moon Plan commences, a plan painted with the blood of the Uzumakis.


    REFERENCES:
    IKSOKRIPS' NARUTO OVERALL TIMELINE:
    http://narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=306153




    8. The Relationship of the Reaper Death Unseal, the Uchiha Tablet and Rikudou Sennin Part 1


    The Shiki Fuujin Kai or Reaper Death Unseal required the Uchiha Tablet as the catalyst for successfully performing the jutsu and releasing the Hokages.





    It seems peculiar to me that an Uzumaki Technique (Shiki Fuujin) would require an Uchiha object as the catalyst for its' unsealing.



    We know for a fact that the Shiki Fuujin is an original Uzumaki Fuuinjutsu, Orochimaru said he researched in the Uzumaki ruins (most probably referring to Uzushiogakure)




    Now there are two possible scenarios on how Orochimaru obtained the RDS Unseal Technique:

    a.). Orochimaru developed the jutsu itself based on the Uzumaki documents he studied

    or

    b.) The Uzumaki documents themselves contain the information or the jutsu of the RDS Unseal.

    none the less, based on the two scenarios mentioned, one thing is clear: The Uchiha Tablet is the catalyst for performing the Shiki Fuujin Kai (RDS Unseal).



    From this we can infer that The Uchiha Tablet room of the Naka Shrine was not just some random place that Orochimaru or Sasuke chose to perform RDS Unseal and speak with the Edo Hokages, the object in that room: the Uchiha/Naka Tablet was needed.



    Orochimaru needed to be in front of the tablet to perform the Shiki Fuujin Kai.




    Based on Orochimaru's detailed knowledge of unsealing the Shiki Fuujin, it is logical to assume that the scroll itself was created by the Uzumakis and not Orochimaru creating the scroll itself.

    It follows the logic that: lock makers (Uzumakis) would have the written knowledge of the techniques of unlocking their own creations (Shiki Fuujin)



    So the most probable scenario is: The scroll was made by the Uzumaki Clan and not by Orochimaru himself and it details the exact steps, tools and techniques needed to unlock the Shiki Fuujin

    Now, since we have established that the Uzumakis themselves created the scroll and the Shiki Fuujin Kai, their arises a small peculiar anomaly:



    The Uzumakis were not allied with the Uchihas so they would not have access to the tablet itself. They could not have accessed or studied the Tablet, then how could they know it was the catalyst for RDS Unseal?

    And to even complicate the matters, the Uzumakis were allied with the Uchihas enemy clan: The Senjus


    So there was no seemingly possible way that the Uzumakis could have known and used the RDS Unseal because they do not have access to the catalyst of the technique: The Uchiha Tablet. BUT the Uzumakis did know of it.

    How then could the Uzumakis have known that the Uchiha Tablet was the catalyst object needed for the Shiki Fuujin Kai if they never had access to it nor had it been in their possession? How were they able to acquire the knowledge (or possibly) perform the technique if the Uchiha Tablet was off-limits to them?

    I think the answer is this:



    It was Rikudou Sennin himself who wrote and made the Uchiha Tablet

    It is my theory that Rikudou Sennin himself was an Uzumaki and that the Shiki Fuujin and the Shiki Fuujin Kai were his techniques. He left the Uchiha Tablet to the Elder Son as an immediate inheritence for being his eldest son and his immediate blood relative, while he left to his younger son, the Senju Ancestor the inheritence of being his successor.

    While Rikudou, also left an inheritence to his relatives: the progenitor Uzumakis (non-ninjutsu wielders) an inheritence of speciality techniques: Fuuinjutsu

    So Rikudou Sennin left his legacy of Fuinjutsu to his Uzumaki relatives ( kindred, cousins,etc.) he taught them the Shiki Fuujin Jutsu.



    And Rikudou Sennin was probably the one who taught them how to unseal the Shiki Fuujin: The Shiki Fuujin Kai



    The RDS Unseal (Shiki Fuujin Kai) was a jutsu that was probably meant to be used as a last resort measure of unlocking the RDS in case of dire necessity or emergency.

    But, there was a problem, the catalyst was inherited by the Uchiha Clan: The Naka Shrine Tablet.

    The main purpose of the Uchiha Tablet is the detailed records and secrets of Rikudou Sennin that he intended to pass to his Elder Son: The Uchiha Ancestor.

    The Tablet being used as the catalyst for the RDS Unseal was a secondary reason for its' use, and to be used only in extreme emergency cases.

    So the division of the inheritance and legacy of Rikudou Sennin was settled when he died. He chose his younger son (Senju Ancestor) as his successor, in turn he gave the Tablet to the elder son (Uchiha Ancestor) and the sealing techniques or Fuinjutsus he left to his extended relatives: The progenitor Uzumakis (which would make the current Uzumakis a "cousin clan" of both Senju and Uchiha, but being mentioned only as a Senju distant relative because the two clans were allies while the Uzumakis and Uchihas were not.)

    So the Shiki Fuujin Kai is to be used only in case of an emergency, Rikudou Sennin thought that his two sons and his extended relatives: The Uzumakis would work together.

    But something happened: schism



    The Uchiha Ancestor and the Senju Ancestor fought, the Uzumakis (their extended cousins/relatives) sided with the Senjus, so if the Uzumakis decided to perform the Shiki Fuujin Kai: they would not have access to the catalyst
    The Uchiha Tablet because the Uchihas would not allow them to get near or use the tablet

    The Uzumakis then know how to perform RDS Unseal (Shiki Fuujin) but they were missing the Uchiha Tablet to successfully perform it.

    So the reason the Uzumakis know that the Uchiha Tablet is the catalyst of the Shiki Fuujin Kai despite not being to able to access nor study the Tablet is because Rikudou Sennin was the one who gave them that knowledge.



    So in conclusion:

    -Rikudou Sennin being an Uzumaki left Fuuinjutsu as a legacy to his extended relatives: the ancestral/progenitor Uzumakis including the Shiki Fuujin and the Shiki Fuujin Kai.

    -While Rikudou Sennin left his role as successor to his younger son (Senju Ancestor) he left the Tablet to his elder son in turn (Uchiha Ancestor)

    - The Uzumaki clan's knowledge of the Shiki Fuujin Kai (RDS Unseal) came from Rikudou Sennin, despite the Uzumakis animosity to the Uchihas and the Naka Shrine Tablet's inaccessibility to them, they know that the Uchiha Tablet was the catalyst of RDS Unseal because Rikudou Sennin taught them that fact despite not being able to access the tablet itself (and the RDS Unseal itself is to be used only for emergency purposes) and Rikudou did not forsee the schism or the break out faction between the three clans.

    - The Shinobi-era Uzumakis are then distant relatives of both Uchiha and Senju as "cousin clans" the Uzumaki descendants who were not from Rikudou Sennin's direct line, but from his extended relatives (his kin/cousins)

    - The Shiki Fuujin, the Shiki Fuujin Kai and the Uchiha Tablet are related to each other because the original bloodline of Rikudou Sennin was the Uzumaki bloodline. (The Rinnegan came as a result of Rikudou Sealing the Juubi inside himself so his extended relatives cannot awaken such a power, they only share the vitality and chakra that was inherent in the Uzumakis and the Senjus)






    9. The Relationship of the Reaper Death Unseal, the Uchiha Tablet and Rikudou Sennin Part 2

    Orochimaru did not use the Shiki Fuujin Kai (Reaper Death Unseal) before because he couldn't

    Because Orochimaru needed the Uchiha Sharingan to open the Naka Shrine Tablet's Room and have someone (his lackeys) put the Shinigami Mask in front of the Uchiha Tablet

    Take a look at this:



    Suigetsu said "So you need a jutsu to open that door"

    Notice how the Marble door has the image of the Sharingan in it instead of the usual Uchiha Crest Symbol?



    And did you notice Sasuke's Sharingan was activated after opening the marble door?



    it is because: The Sharingan (its' jutsu) was needed to open the door and enter the room where the Uchiha Tablet is.

    Secret Meeting Place

    It makes perfect sense that only the Sharingan could open the door to the secret room, it's because it was also used for secret meetings of the Uchihas, what better way to protect yourself from spies when you're talking about sensitive stuff than to shut yourself in a room where only Uchiha Clan members could open.

    And Sasuke already awakened the initial stage of his Sharingan during the massacre when he broke free from Itachi's genjutsu that is why he was able to enter the Shrine as a kid



    And Kabuto did not say he or Orochimaru had access to the Secret Room or the Tablet and ready/study its' contents, they merely hypothesized its' contents (they knew its' existence but couldn't access it) based on the data from their Experiments (Probably Hashirama cells, etc.) So they couldn't have possibly entered the sealed secret room of the Uchiha Tablet.






    So what was important downstairs that was needed in order to perform the Reaper Death Unseal? what was needed to activate the Shinigami Mask?




    The Answer is this:



    The Uchiha Tablet

    - The Shinigami Mask is used/activated with the Naka Shrine Tablet to perform the Reaper Death Unseal.



    So this is why Orochimaru didn't have someone else use the technique for him (Sound Ninjas) to retrieve his arms earlier, it's because he couldn't open the door to the secret room

    Orochimaru researched on the Reaper Death Unseal immediately after losing his arms.


    So Orochimaru found the scroll relatively early from the time he lost his arms.

    That is why Orochimaru didn't use the info. on the scroll years and years ago:




    It was because he couldn't he needed the Sharingan to open the door, have someone else wear the Shinigami Mask for him and activate it on the Naka Shrine Tablet to successfully perform The Reaper Death Unseal:



    He probably obtained the scroll at an earlier point within those three years after losing his arms to RDS, but he still couldn't use it.



    He needed Sasuke's Sharingan, but he couldn't wait for the Sound Four to bring him back to his hideout because he was dying from the excruciating pain of his arm's necrosis





    So he had to possess another body (thus locking his capability to transfer to another body again for three more years)


    Orochimaru found the scroll after losing his arms, but he still couldn't use the information in it because his body transfer technique was locked for another three years, so he tucked it neatly in his secret room:


    The spiderwebs and the accumulation of dust in the room indicates the scroll had been there for years (3 years+).


    He needed the Sharingan to open the room where the Uchiha Tablet is, the catalyst of the Reaper Death Unseal Jutsu:



    Orochimaru needed the Sharingan to open the Naka Shrine sealed door where the Tablet was, he needed someone other than himself to put on the Shinigami Mask in FRONT of the Tablet to activated The Reaper Death Unseal (Sound ninjas willing to sacrifice their lives for Oro, no intricate hand seals are needed, they only need to put the Shinigami Mask on in front of the Uchiha Tablet in order to activate it.)






    That is why Orochimaru became even more interested in wanting to possess Sasuke's Body (aside from his initial plans of kidnapping him to obtain the Sharingan to learn all the jutsus). He needed Sasuke's Sharingan to open the Naka Shrine Room of where the Uchiha Tablet was because the Tablet WAS NEEDED to perform the Reaper Death Unseal to retrieve his arms. But he suffered a setback because Sasuke put him down before he was able to possess his body.



    [Orochimaru intended to possess Sasuke's body to open the door, but he probably intended another person to perform the RDS Unseal either Kabuto or some other Sound Ninja to wear the mask in front of the tablet to perform Reaper Death Unseal and die, since many of Oro's followers were willing to die for him, none the less Oro needed Sasuke's body and Sharingan to open the door.]

    Orochimaru didn't force Sasuke before to open the door to the Naka Tablet Room because Orochimaru knows he couldn't FORCE Sasuke to use his Sharingan and open the sealed door.

    a.) Orochimaru was a non-Uchiha so Sasuke would not allow such a disgraceful character like Oro to defile the sanctity of his clan's shrine

    b.) Sasuke knows full well of Orochimaru's true intentions (total possession of his body) if Sasuke helped Orochimaru retrieve his arms then Orochimaru would be in full power and would have easily taken over Sasuke's body thus depriving Sasuke of his vengeance on Itachi.





    Orochimaru needed to wait three years (after performing his body transfer technique, since three years was the time limit before he could possess a new body again) to possess Sasuke in order to use Sasuke's Sharingan to open the door to the room of the Uchiha Tablet.

    So that means The Naka Shrine Tablet was the catalyst for the Reaper Death Unseal.

    Something to ponder about:

    We know that after the Tsunade Retrieval Arc, the Sasuke Retrieval Arc followed.

    - Many assumed that the only reason Orochimaru wanted to possess Sasuke's body at that time (Sasuke retrieval arc) was because he wanted the Sharingan's powers to learn all the jutsus, this is false.

    - Because even if Orochimaru was successful in obtaining Sasuke's body during that time, his arms' soul would still be sealed. so Orochimaru still needed to retrieve the soul part of his arms.

    - So the true reason for Orochimaru wanting Sasuke's body immediately during that time was: He needed Sasuke's body to use the Sharingan to open the Naka Shrine to access the Tablet, have a Sound Ninja sacrifice his life performing the Shiki Fuujin Release, and retrieve the souls of his arms while preserving/not killing his possessed body of Sasuke at the same time.

    - The only problem was he became impatient and unable to endure the pain from the necrosis of his arms, thus needing to perform the body transfer before Sasuke arrived at his lair, thus locking his technique for three more years.

    - After three years when he was ready to possess Sasuke's body, Sasuke unexpectedly strike him down, thus, jeopardizing his plans.







    10. Rikudou Sennin and the Uzumaki Altar of Sealing

    Did you notice the candles beside Rikudou Sennin when he was talking with the baby bijuus?




    And did you notice the Altar of Summoning of the sealing jutsu used on Naruto also have candles?




    Not to mention that the triangular markings on the floor where Rikudou Sennin is standing also appears on Minato's chest when he used the Reaper Death Seal:



    Rikudou Sennin Candles:



    Naruto Candles:



    Btw if you guys haven't seen my other threads yet, the Uzumaki Symbols appear on the image of Rikudou Sennin on the Gedo Mazo statue in Chapter 606



    It is my suspicion that the platform Rikudou Sennin is standing in is where he used the Creation of All Things to create the Bijuus, it would also be a good place for him to say his farewell to the Bijuus he created, this technique and the Uzumaki's Altar of Summoning having candles must have a connection, meaning Rikudou Sennin's techniques are of Uzumaki origins.




    11. The Uzumaki Priestly Heritage and Rikudou Sennin


    Did you notice something different in this picture?



    The way the Uzumakis hands are in a formal folded clasping position while the Senjus are not?



    This is usually the depiction of Shinto priests/monks (Shinshoku) in art and photography



    (Shinshokus btw are allowed to marry and have children)




    And wasn't it said by Jiraiya that Rikudou Sennin was a priest/monk who preached Ninshu during a time of endless war?





    Factions and Families (non-shinobi) or clans must have existed during that time because war is conducted by opposing factions, and in medieval era Japan wars are made by opposing families/clans

    I think Rikudou Sennin was part of the Uzumaki Clan(non-shinobi) even before he discovered ninjutsu, it was only when he discovered the nature of chakra and ninjutsu that he taught it to his clan-members (Fuuinjutsu) thus becoming the Uzumaki Shinobi Clan of the present era, afterwards Rikudou set out on his own and travelled to teach ninjutsu and the way of peace all over the world.



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    Re: The Case Of Rikudou Sennin Being An Uzumaki [Full Version]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Western Wheel View Post
    Wow, just wow...

    Very nicely put together!

    You knew I already agreed to it.

    Just this:

    Since the Senju Ancestor and the Uzumakis share their common beliefs of goodness and peace, they remained as allies throughout the centuries, while the Uzumaki's other branch relative: The Uchihas believed in the antithesis of love and peace which is war and hatred......
    Bold Part: The Uchiha wanted peace too but their ideology is not the same as the Uzumaki or Senju. Force and Strenght will lead to peace. This is what their ancestor believed.
    To say that Uchihas believed in war and hatred is just a try to make them look evil.
    In fact the war which is currently ongoing is because Madara wants peace. He doesnt share the same view of peace like the others but what he wants is peace.

    On Topic: Nice Theory. Though I think that the So6p is not a member of a specific Clan like Uzumaki Senju Uchiha etc.
    He is like all in one. And the "distribution" of him are these 3 Clans.
     
         

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    Re: The Case Of Rikudou Sennin Being An Uzumaki [Full Version]

    That's what I'm saying. So6p is essentially god in the narutoverse, I don't think he belonged to any specific clan. But someone would have to given birth to him, maybe his parents were hyuuga and uzumaki, their eyes are supposed to be purple right? Naruto does look like him, and he is about to get with Hinata. Bleh, I'll go with your theory.
     
         
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    Re: The Case Of Rikudou Sennin Being An Uzumaki [Full Version]

    Quote Originally Posted by beast7960 View Post
    That's what I'm saying. So6p is essentially god in the narutoverse, I don't think he belonged to any specific clan. But someone would have to given birth to him, maybe his parents were hyuuga and uzumaki, their eyes are supposed to be purple right? Naruto does look like him, and he is about to get with Hinata. Bleh, I'll go with your theory.
    Thank you then
     
         

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    Re: The Case Of Rikudou Sennin Being An Uzumaki [Full Version]

    it's quite obvious that the sage is an uzumaki at this point .....

    i had one question for you sir derp obito....

    why would the S0SP leave a tablet on how to get the jubbi back for the elder son when he left the younger son to be his successor?
    that makes no sense? i don't agree with the "uchiha tablet" being a catalyst for RDS ...it was the mask that was needed. i think that sasuke can further read the tablet since he has EMS now....oro can confirm what he hypothesized?
     
         

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    Re: The Case Of Rikudou Sennin Being An Uzumaki [Full Version]

    Good theory we need more of these on the base!
     
         

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    Re: The Case Of Rikudou Sennin Being An Uzumaki [Full Version]

    How does this not make the hottest thread section?
     
         

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    Re: The Case Of Rikudou Sennin Being An Uzumaki [Full Version]

    Quote Originally Posted by Derp Obito View Post
    Yes, but why do the same image appear on Rikudou's platform?
    not the same I believe.
    It has tomoe and triangles instead of those markings that are on the four symbol seal.
     
         

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    Re: The Case Of Rikudou Sennin Being An Uzumaki [Full Version]

    +1.



    Best Thread in a while.
     
         

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    Re: The Case Of Rikudou Sennin Being An Uzumaki [Full Version]

    Quote Originally Posted by Aze View Post
    +1.



    Best Thread in a while.
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    Re: The Case Of Rikudou Sennin Being An Uzumaki [Full Version]

    What a great thread, Derp. Truly, a great amount of thought and effort. I always enjoy reading your threads.
     
         

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    Cool theory man but I have one question for you....


    Byakugan?
     
         

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