Re: [THEORY] Byakugan likely related to Other Dojutsus and Came From the Rikudou Senn
Great theory, it really fits into the puzzle with everything presented in the manga so far, let's hope the Hyuuga clan gets more development, hell, even the Uzumaki clan needs development now lol.
Re: [THEORY] Byakugan likely related to Other Dojutsus and Came From the Rikudou Senn
Originally Posted by Sot viing hun
Great theory, it really fits into the puzzle with everything presented in the manga so far, let's hope the Hyuuga clan gets more development, hell, even the Uzumaki clan needs development now lol.
Uzumakis have been getting more development recently, and with the manga focusing more on the Hyuga in the last chapters they were seen, i'm sure well see more of them soon.
Originally Posted by Sir Derp Obito
We'll get to see more Hyuuga development this year, Kishi said so back in december
You were the one who told me that, so hats off to you
Re: [THEORY] Byakugan likely related to Other Dojutsus and Came From the Rikudou Senn
Pretty good theory you got there. Possibly the Hyuuga are distant relatives to the Uchihas (sort of how the Uzumakis are distant blood relatives to the Senju). It would be really cool if an Uchiha implanted a hyuuga's byakugan. Maybe that would give a rebirth to the unknown dojutsu of the Elder Son (commonly called the swirlygan) sort of like Senju DNA and Uchiha EMS gives a rebirth to the Rinnegan.
Re: [THEORY] Byakugan likely related to Other Dojutsus and Came From the Rikudou Senn
Wow that was a nice and interesting theory my hinata freind
it does make lots of sense all eyes been somewhat connected afterall kishi likes doin this of kinda of related stuff.
very good observation my freind.xoxo
Re: [THEORY] Byakugan likely related to Other Dojutsus and Came From the Rikudou Senn
Great theory Most people Dont understand how The plot of Naruto series is very Important , & Kishi Try's Really hard to see a great Story threw out his series.
I Dont really think that Kishi Goes threw the storie while it procedes.
He Has planed the Plot of NARUTO Very accordingly, Or else he would end up like his Brother.
As in most people didn't Know that Kishi brother made Alot of series & Not much fan as Kishi As he has only made one Anime Series (Naruto Is a Series , Naruto:Shippuden)
But also once again good thread.
Re: [THEORY] Byakugan likely related to Other Dojutsus and Came From the Rikudou Senn
Once again sorry and I know this is late but your theory is AMAZING! You pretty much nailed every possible connection with Hyuuga and Byakugan with enough evidences. It FAR surpass my thread/theory about them. Great Job
Re: [THEORY] Byakugan likely related to Other Dojutsus and Came From the Rikudou Senn
Originally Posted by Greenday41
Nice thoery. Makes sense.
What else can I say?
Thanks for making my day.
Originally Posted by Suan19
Once again sorry and I know this is late but your theory is AMAZING! You pretty much nailed every possible connection with Hyuuga and Byakugan with enough evidences. It FAR surpass my thread/theory about them. Great Job
Haha, that's not a huge problem
I actually thought most of this on a whim.
Originally Posted by olumiday
nice thread, I believe the byakugan is related to the other two doujutsu.
it's even said that the hyuugas are konoha's strongest shinobi.
Well, strongest after no Uchiha.
But hey, being # 2 isn't bad for Hyuga
Originally Posted by Badapdos
Great theory Most people Dont understand how The plot of Naruto series is very Important , & Kishi Try's Really hard to see a great Story threw out his series.
I Dont really think that Kishi Goes threw the storie while it procedes.
He Has planed the Plot of NARUTO Very accordingly, Or else he would end up like his Brother.
As in most people didn't Know that Kishi brother made Alot of series & Not much fan as Kishi As he has only made one Anime Series (Naruto Is a Series , Naruto:Shippuden)
But also once again good thread.
Haha, I agree with what I read
Kishi is really smart in the head.
Originally Posted by Naruto likes me
Wow that was a nice and interesting theory my hinata freind
it does make lots of sense all eyes been somewhat connected afterall kishi likes doin this of kinda of related stuff.
very good observation my freind.xoxo
That's what I'm trying to say.
Byakugan must be related in some way.
Originally Posted by Mihaelz
Very interesting theory. I believe it could be true, has the potential.
Thank you
I hope so too
Originally Posted by Uchiha Tengoku
Pretty good theory you got there. Possibly the Hyuuga are distant relatives to the Uchihas (sort of how the Uzumakis are distant blood relatives to the Senju). It would be really cool if an Uchiha implanted a hyuuga's byakugan. Maybe that would give a rebirth to the unknown dojutsu of the Elder Son (commonly called the swirlygan) sort of like Senju DNA and Uchiha EMS gives a rebirth to the Rinnegan.
That's a really nice thought.
Though I believe we will see that not.
Re: [THEORY] Byakugan likely related to Other Dojutsus and Came From the Rikudou Senn
Originally Posted by Mangekyo Muslim
I'll start off by saying that the Hyuuga clans Symbol is the Ying-Yang symbol. Their byakugan is without a pupil, and is coloured white, which, through activation, results in a more distinct able pupil.
This next picture was seen during Obito & Konan's battle. The picture depicts Tomoes, representing the Uchiha, circles or ripples, representing the Rinnegan, and a Ying-Yang symbol in the middle, representing the Hyuuga. Not only does this hint at the Byakugan being related to the Rennigan and Sharingan, but it emphasizes my point of the Byakugan being part of the other eyes, as the Ying-Yang symbol is the pupil of the eye in the picture below.
Other things that hint at the Byakugan's relation to the other two Dojutsu are, firstly, Tobi's War-time Mask. His mask seems to represent and/or resemble the Juubi's single eye and/or the three dojutsus as one.
As can be seen, Tobi's mask clearly has all three attributes of the three great Dojutsu. It has the ripples of the Rennigan, the Tomoes of the Sharingan, and is coloured white as is the Byakugan. Now, think of this for a moment. Why wasn’t Tobi’s mask colored orange like all his previous masks were before this one? Why is this the only mask of which he’s worn that bares resemblance to the Dojustsus? Tobi’s mask is one of the largest hints of the three eyes being connected to one another in some way.
Ounce again, this above picture, which depicts the moon, of which it’s colour is white, has Tomoes and ripples on it, which ounce again leads me to believe that the Juubi’s eye colour is in fact, not purple or red as depicted in the Anime, but White, as is the Byakugan.
The only eye techniques that exist in the entire (Canon) series are the Byakugan (Mangekyo) Sharingan, Elder Son’s eyes, and the Rennigan. We already know that the Elder Son’s eyes came from the Rennigan, and we know that the Sharingan is capable of developing into the Rennigan, thus making these 3 eyes related to one another. But wait, what about the Byakugan?
Honestly, I find it absolutely illogical for the Byakugan to not be related to the other Dojutsus in some way, as it would seem completely bizarre for the Byakugan to just be there with no explanation what so ever as to how it came to be.
During Hinata and Neji’s battle in the Chunnin exams, after activating their Byakugans, Kakashi states that there are rumors that the Uchiha’s Sharingan is possibly an off-shoot of the Hyuga’s Byakugan. Kakashi even goes on to state that the Uchiha clan itself possibly stems from the Hyuuga clan. Of course, this is but a rumor, however all rumors have an origin.
Kakashi also states, as a fact, that the Hyuuga are the oldest clan of Konoha. But how can that be if the village itself was formed by the Senju & Uchiha? My theory is that the Hyuuga’s probably owned or lived on the land that is now Konoha, which goes to show that the Hyuuga do indeed pass the Uchiha in their birth/formation, which leads me to believe the Byakugan to be a Dojutsu that came from the Elder Son’s eyes, which may also explain the two eyes’ similar colours and appearance.
If noticed, the Elder Son’s eyes resemble a mixture of the Byakugan and Renningan, which might imply the Byakugan came before the Sharingan, which may explain where the rumor Kakashi mentioned during the Chunnin Exams came from.
All three eye techniques also have similar abilities with each other. Byakugan and Sharingan share the ability of seeing chakra & better reflexes, while the Byakugan and Renningan share the ability of extended vision and being capable of seeing through Barriers, and the Sharingan and Renningan share the ability of tailed beast manipulation as well as controlling demonic powers.
This next one is REALLY good. In a recent interview with Masashi Kishimoto, he was asked what we could expect in for Naruto in 2013, and he replied that we could expect to see Hyuuga development, among several other things. And since the manga currently has Sasuke talking the founders of the Leaf, Hashirama & Tobirama, not to mention the All-Knowing Orochimaru being there to shed some light, we may find out more about the Hyuuga & Byakugan’s past and origins.
Kishimoto always seems to make parallels. Such as Naruto & Sasuke paralleling Hashirama & Tobirama/Madara, or MinaKushi paralleling NaruHina, or the Legendary Sannin paralleling Team 7, which leads me to my next point. It’s clear that the Senju & Uzumaki are related, so what could be the parallel of the Uzumaki for the Uchiha? The Hyuuga’s easily fit this role of being the Uchiha’s “Uzumakis”.
the Hyuuga are usually seen with a blue aura, the Uchiha are seen with a red aura.
Another theory I have is that the Byakugan does indeed have a second state that can be achieved, but in order to achieve it, you must be pure, to be someone like Hinata, while the Uchiha have to be Impure, since the Uchihas' method of gaining more eye power involves stealing & killing, as well as deep despair. This might explain why there are not any known Hyuuga's with an enhanced Byakugan, as it is harder to be pure than impure. I believe this 2nd state or level to be the spiral eyes of the Sage's Elder Son, which would also represent her affinity with Naruto, who is of the Uzumaki, who have a spiral as their symbol.
Also, Hyuugas have white eyes, while the Uchihas have black, which are the colours of the Ying-Yang sign, further hinting at their relationship and how the Byakugan is a pure eye & the Sharingan is an impure eye. Further more, while Hyugas are ussually depicted with a blue aura, Uchihas are seen with a red one instead.
But then, why is the Byakugan "pure" while the Sharingan is "impure"? Well, my answer to that goes something like this. When the Elder son inherited his father's eyes, he also got some of the Juubi's chakra inside him some how, but it remained dormaint and didn't affect him much. But when his father died AND chose his younger brother instead of him to be his succesor, he felt hate, jealousy, sadness, envy and anger , which caused the Juubi's sleeping chakra inside him to awaken and cause his white eyes to turn red.
The Elder son then had two children of his own, one with his original white eyes, and the other with his Juubi-influenced eyes, thus eventually giving birth to the Byakugan and Hyuga & Sharingan and Uchiha.
The cloud GREATLY desired the Byakugan for their own keeping going as far as to even kidnap a little Hinata. So, why not go after the Sharingan? Actually, now that I think about it, it seems like more non-Konohaians know about the Sharingan than they know about the Byakugan, as seen by Zabuza. It’s seems clear to me that the main house has been hiding secrets of the Byakugan from everyone for a long time, why else would they take the extra precaution to give their Candet branch family members the “Caged Bird” Cursed seals?
There is also the pairing game that the author has going on. A Hyuuga (related to one of the main clans and, on top of it, of the main branch family) and an Uzumaki (related to the other) getting together should produce something interesting, should it not? Both of them being descendants of the Sage, one of which we know nearly nothing at all but her being a pure-blood and the other one showing clear evidence of having an affinity with the Sage's personality and aptitudes.
Also, with Hinata now seemingly playing a larger role, the Byakugan might as well play a larger role too. I just can’t see her disappearing into the back ground after this. She’s clearly been elevated into a higher possession in terms of a character. I’m not just saying this as a Hinata fan, but with Neji dead, there is no other actual Hyuuga character aside from Hinata who could be used to further explain the Byakugan‘s past and (possibly) it‘s new abilities.
Thank you For Reading
very well worked out, i enjoyed this read. i would also like to speculate about other clans outside of konoha and the byakugan. it could possibly be more to their liking. the uchiha clan has been cursed from the beginning, while the hyuga clan isn't. possible due to them purifying themselves or denouncing the lust for power. i would assume that other clans would be very iffy about kidnapping a uchiha as they could bring about very destructive power. a hyuga on the other hand, could be changed or killed so that their eyes could be utilized by someone else far more easily. all in all, this is a A+ thread.
Re: [THEORY] Byakugan likely related to Other Dojutsus and Came From the Rikudou Senn
Well...with Neji being dead as he is, and him being the greatest genius of the hyuuga clan I really doubt anyone else would make the byakugan shine again.
It has better insight ( move predicting, precision ) and range ( 360 degree vision, can see miles away ) and can see chakra better than a 3 tomoe sharingan, wich in my opinion makes it at least superior to a three tomoe sharingan.
That in itself already is quite usefull.
However, I doubt there's an upgrade or if the story is going to elaborate on its origins, since well, Neji is dead.
Re: [THEORY] Byakugan likely related to Other Dojutsus and Came From the Rikudou Senn
Originally Posted by Mangekyo Muslim
I'll start off by saying that the Hyuuga clans Symbol is the Ying-Yang symbol. Their byakugan is without a pupil, and is coloured white, which, through activation, results in a more distinct able pupil.
This next picture was seen during Obito & Konan's battle. The picture depicts Tomoes, representing the Uchiha, circles or ripples, representing the Rinnegan, and a Ying-Yang symbol in the middle, representing the Hyuuga. Not only does this hint at the Byakugan being related to the Rennigan and Sharingan, but it emphasizes my point of the Byakugan being part of the other eyes, as the Ying-Yang symbol is the pupil of the eye in the picture below.
Other things that hint at the Byakugan's relation to the other two Dojutsu are, firstly, Tobi's War-time Mask. His mask seems to represent and/or resemble the Juubi's single eye and/or the three dojutsus as one.
As can be seen, Tobi's mask clearly has all three attributes of the three great Dojutsu. It has the ripples of the Rennigan, the Tomoes of the Sharingan, and is coloured white as is the Byakugan. Now, think of this for a moment. Why wasn’t Tobi’s mask colored orange like all his previous masks were before this one? Why is this the only mask of which he’s worn that bares resemblance to the Dojustsus? Tobi’s mask is one of the largest hints of the three eyes being connected to one another in some way.
Ounce again, this above picture, which depicts the moon, of which it’s colour is white, has Tomoes and ripples on it, which ounce again leads me to believe that the Juubi’s eye colour is in fact, not purple or red as depicted in the Anime, but White, as is the Byakugan.
The only eye techniques that exist in the entire (Canon) series are the Byakugan (Mangekyo) Sharingan, Elder Son’s eyes, and the Rennigan. We already know that the Elder Son’s eyes came from the Rennigan, and we know that the Sharingan is capable of developing into the Rennigan, thus making these 3 eyes related to one another. But wait, what about the Byakugan?
Honestly, I find it absolutely illogical for the Byakugan to not be related to the other Dojutsus in some way, as it would seem completely bizarre for the Byakugan to just be there with no explanation what so ever as to how it came to be.
During Hinata and Neji’s battle in the Chunnin exams, after activating their Byakugans, Kakashi states that there are rumors that the Uchiha’s Sharingan is possibly an off-shoot of the Hyuga’s Byakugan. Kakashi even goes on to state that the Uchiha clan itself possibly stems from the Hyuuga clan. Of course, this is but a rumor, however all rumors have an origin.
Kakashi also states, as a fact, that the Hyuuga are the oldest clan of Konoha. But how can that be if the village itself was formed by the Senju & Uchiha? My theory is that the Hyuuga’s probably owned or lived on the land that is now Konoha, which goes to show that the Hyuuga do indeed pass the Uchiha in their birth/formation, which leads me to believe the Byakugan to be a Dojutsu that came from the Elder Son’s eyes, which may also explain the two eyes’ similar colours and appearance.
If noticed, the Elder Son’s eyes resemble a mixture of the Byakugan and Renningan, which might imply the Byakugan came before the Sharingan, which may explain where the rumor Kakashi mentioned during the Chunnin Exams came from.
All three eye techniques also have similar abilities with each other. Byakugan and Sharingan share the ability of seeing chakra & better reflexes, while the Byakugan and Renningan share the ability of extended vision and being capable of seeing through Barriers, and the Sharingan and Renningan share the ability of tailed beast manipulation as well as controlling demonic powers.
This next one is REALLY good. In a recent interview with Masashi Kishimoto, he was asked what we could expect in for Naruto in 2013, and he replied that we could expect to see Hyuuga development, among several other things. And since the manga currently has Sasuke talking the founders of the Leaf, Hashirama & Tobirama, not to mention the All-Knowing Orochimaru being there to shed some light, we may find out more about the Hyuuga & Byakugan’s past and origins.
Kishimoto always seems to make parallels. Such as Naruto & Sasuke paralleling Hashirama & Tobirama/Madara, or MinaKushi paralleling NaruHina, or the Legendary Sannin paralleling Team 7, which leads me to my next point. It’s clear that the Senju & Uzumaki are related, so what could be the parallel of the Uzumaki for the Uchiha? The Hyuuga’s easily fit this role of being the Uchiha’s “Uzumakis”.
the Hyuuga are usually seen with a blue aura, the Uchiha are seen with a red aura.
Another theory I have is that the Byakugan does indeed have a second state that can be achieved, but in order to achieve it, you must be pure, to be someone like Hinata, while the Uchiha have to be Impure, since the Uchihas' method of gaining more eye power involves stealing & killing, as well as deep despair. This might explain why there are not any known Hyuuga's with an enhanced Byakugan, as it is harder to be pure than impure. I believe this 2nd state or level to be the spiral eyes of the Sage's Elder Son, which would also represent her affinity with Naruto, who is of the Uzumaki, who have a spiral as their symbol.
Also, Hyuugas have white eyes, while the Uchihas have black, which are the colours of the Ying-Yang sign, further hinting at their relationship and how the Byakugan is a pure eye & the Sharingan is an impure eye. Further more, while Hyugas are ussually depicted with a blue aura, Uchihas are seen with a red one instead.
But then, why is the Byakugan "pure" while the Sharingan is "impure"? Well, my answer to that goes something like this. When the Elder son inherited his father's eyes, he also got some of the Juubi's chakra inside him some how, but it remained dormaint and didn't affect him much. But when his father died AND chose his younger brother instead of him to be his succesor, he felt hate, jealousy, sadness, envy and anger , which caused the Juubi's sleeping chakra inside him to awaken and cause his white eyes to turn red.
The Elder son then had two children of his own, one with his original white eyes, and the other with his Juubi-influenced eyes, thus eventually giving birth to the Byakugan and Hyuga & Sharingan and Uchiha.
The cloud GREATLY desired the Byakugan for their own keeping going as far as to even kidnap a little Hinata. So, why not go after the Sharingan? Actually, now that I think about it, it seems like more non-Konohaians know about the Sharingan than they know about the Byakugan, as seen by Zabuza. It’s seems clear to me that the main house has been hiding secrets of the Byakugan from everyone for a long time, why else would they take the extra precaution to give their Candet branch family members the “Caged Bird” Cursed seals?
There is also the pairing game that the author has going on. A Hyuuga (related to one of the main clans and, on top of it, of the main branch family) and an Uzumaki (related to the other) getting together should produce something interesting, should it not? Both of them being descendants of the Sage, one of which we know nearly nothing at all but her being a pure-blood and the other one showing clear evidence of having an affinity with the Sage's personality and aptitudes.
Also, with Hinata now seemingly playing a larger role, the Byakugan might as well play a larger role too. I just can’t see her disappearing into the back ground after this. She’s clearly been elevated into a higher possession in terms of a character. I’m not just saying this as a Hinata fan, but with Neji dead, there is no other actual Hyuuga character aside from Hinata who could be used to further explain the Byakugan‘s past and (possibly) it‘s new abilities.
Thank you For Reading
I would like to start off by saying... NARUHINA 4 EVER! SAKURA YOU CAN GO DIE WITH SASU-
*gets hit by a shuriken
ahem, kk onto my response
First off, there is another Hyuga who can explain the history behind the clan, and that would be Hinata's father as he is still around, not that he may know a lot as they may have elders in their clan, but who knows...
The part of the Hyuga and Uchiha being similar in terms of being parallels is a good idea, but it's too highly emphasized on Uchiha & Senju at this point to make any relevant revaluation in the plot, unless it has to do with Hinata getting new eye techs, which I will get to in a moment :P
I love the theory behind Obito's mask, it's very creative and I could see it being put to use, however we're gonna have to see some seriously crazy stuff coming from Hina with Naruto's Kyuubi cloak in order to prove it. Perhaps this would lend hand to an activation in the second state of a Byakugan.
Speaking of which, I am not against the theory of a second Byakugan. It is, again, very creative. It's just that at this point there's quite a low possibility of it happening due to the stage the fighting has gotten to. But personally I would give it a 50/50 chance due to how many new techs we've seen come out of Naruto recently especially with Kurama giving him all sorts of sports jackets, wigs... why can't Hinata get some too?
♥ the part where you add in the purity of a Hyuga. No way in hell would we have ever seen that outta Neji, but Hinata for sure. However the theory is again hampered by the fact that Senju is already the light that is parallel to the Uchiha's darkness, as I'm sure you remember Karin sensing Naruto's chakara while riding on Kakashi's back and saying how it was warm, light and good in nature.
You've got a great set of theories that I support, after what we've seen come out of Kishimono so far I wouldn't doubt any of this.
Sorry it took me so long to reply. I had a TON of school work/business work
Re: [THEORY] Byakugan likely related to Other Dojutsus and Came From the Rikudou Senn
WOW,NICE .I had very similar ideas of the origin of the byakugan,but since it was nothing more of speculation,i didnt make a thread about it,like you have.However i think you are right,....Jist wait as soon as we have been given more info about the juubi and the byakugan,all the people disagreeing or flaming you will come to their senses and then they will say that,they knew it all along.So there is no reason to beat yourself up for their mixed reaction.It seriously is a great theory