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    Why Jiraiya(especially SM) > Susano'o

    The Jiraiya vs Itachi threads never cease. Here's another Jiraiya vs Itachi thread. Or rather a Swamp of the Underworld vs Susano'o thread.

    If Jiraiya does Swamp of the Underworld under Itachi position, how does he escape. Jumping out of the swamp is impossible seeing as how the swamp's diameter/circumference is too large to just "jump" out. Susano'o/Uchiha's can't fly. Amaterasu won't help. Tsukuyomi/genjutsu won't help unless Jiraiya stupidly gets close to Itachi and looks him in the eye. Fireballs won't help. Nothing. AND HERE'S WHY(PROOF).

    Here we see Jiraiya's Swamp of the Underworld while he was drugged by Tsunade. He also said that he was at about maybe 30% in combat performance, and yet he still managed to pull this off...



    Here's a scaling of Itachi's Susano'o. Note: Itachi is 5'8"



    If you use a ruler, or some type of item of measurement, you can clearly see that Itachi's Susano'o is approxemately 5x taller than he is. That would mean it's, give or take, 29 feet tall. So basically, if Orochimaru's snakes were capable of being subdued by 30% base Jiraiya's swamp, then Susano'o would be completely submerged.


    And after all of this, we haven't even seen how big a Sage Art: Swamp of the Underworld would be. Hell, probably the size of a lake considering how much senjutsu does for ninjutsu.
     
         
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    Re: Why Jiraiya(especially SM) > Susano'o

    Yup.........
     
         

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    Re: Why Jiraiya(especially SM) > Susano'o

    Well yeah. There's always "ifs" and "buts." I could say that jiraiya is too slow to dodge amaterasu. /thread. But i don't. Because there are ALWAYS other factors.
     
         

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    Re: Why Jiraiya(especially SM) > Susano'o

    Yes he does. ^.^
     
         

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    Re: Why Jiraiya(especially SM) > Susano'o

    Doubt it. But hey, miracles can happen right.
     
         

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    Re: Why Jiraiya(especially SM) > Susano'o

    Yes but do you really want a fight that epic to end with itachi drowning in a mud pit?
     
         

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    Re: Why Jiraiya(especially SM) > Susano'o

    the world is not ready for this thread. bro ..... don't
     
         

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    Re: Why Jiraiya(especially SM) > Susano'o

    I made a thread about this a couple weeks ago

    I wholeheartily agree!
     
         

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    Re: Why Jiraiya(especially SM) > Susano'o

    If shinobi could walk on water, I wouldn't be surprised if they could walk on other liquids
     
         

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    Re: Why Jiraiya(especially SM) > Susano'o

    http://narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=337432

    Susano'o has not shown the abilities to fly or walk on water. They would get sunk in his mud.
     
         

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    Re: Why Jiraiya(especially SM) > Susano'o

    Quote Originally Posted by Necromancer4276 View Post
    Well yeah. There's always "ifs" and "buts." I could say that jiraiya is too slow to dodge amaterasu. /thread. But i don't. Because there are ALWAYS other factors.
    Yes but this isn't Jiraiya vs Amaterasu.
     
         

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    Re: Why Jiraiya(especially SM) > Susano'o

    And then jiraiya wakes up from the genjutus right befor itachi hits him with Amaterasu
     
         

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    Re: Why Jiraiya(especially SM) > Susano'o

    People underate jiraiya because they only look at sm and rasengan. Moves like toad mouth bind are sooooo overpowered. He warped away like 15 susano sized cerberuses vs pain
     
         

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    Re: Why Jiraiya(especially SM) > Susano'o

    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGuyOvaThere View Post
    And then jiraiya wakes up from the genjutus right befor itachi hits him with Amaterasu
    Jiraiya closes his eyes while he puts up a barrier. Shima and Fukasaku can tell him where to move if he is in danger. Shima can use Sage Art Wind Release Dust Cloud, to where Itachi cannot see anything, while Shima is a Sensor toad.
     
         

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    Re: Why Jiraiya(especially SM) > Susano'o

    I Agree....
     
         

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    Re: Why Jiraiya(especially SM) > Susano'o

    I cant believe that im commenting on an itachi thread but... logically speaking, you're right. unless super-itachi pulls off izanagi or cloned himself then gets J from behind
     
         
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    Re: Why Jiraiya(especially SM) > Susano'o

    True, manga portrayed them as equal. People are just in denial
     
         

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    Re: Why Jiraiya(especially SM) > Susano'o

    I think in a fight like this, J-man wouldn't necessarily end the fight but rather render Susano'o momentarily. Sharingan users can read hand signs right? If they notice what he is doing, they could switch it off ahead of time and then dodge. Though that can open up the Susano'o user to hand-to-hand combat and SM J-man is not someone you want to fight in taijutsu. I feel like this is a more likely scenario rather than Susano'o automatically losing to swamp of the underworld.
     
         

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    Re: Why Jiraiya(especially SM) > Susano'o

    Yeah Jiraya is on Par with Itachi but Fan boy logic says that Itachi >>>>>>>>>>>> SO6P
     
         

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    Re: Why Jiraiya(especially SM) > Susano'o

    Shinobies can walk on water, so they can walk on mud, unlike snakes. This wont do nothing to susanoo nor its wielder
     
         

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    Re: Why Jiraiya(especially SM) > Susano'o

    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaScythian View Post
    Shinobies can walk on water, so they can walk on mud, unlike snakes. This wont do nothing to susanoo nor its wielder
    Manga disagree's : /
     
         

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    Re: Why Jiraiya(especially SM) > Susano'o

    Quote Originally Posted by Steinbiz View Post
    Manga disagree's : /
    There we go. Chakra infused water/mud is not capeable of being walked on. Talk to Kisame.
     
         

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    Re: Why Jiraiya(especially SM) > Susano'o

    Why not... since Itachi himself said it would be difficult to beat Jiraiya if he actually can...
     
         

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    Re: Why Jiraiya(especially SM) > Susano'o

    Though not so interested in vs thread, ill answer.
    Also your calculations are wrong though i still get the overall premise of the thread.

    Itachi from what we have seen actually has moves to nullify this as much as possible.
    The sharingan as we know grants the user the ability to see through ninjutsu and this includes the ability to read handseals. Kakashi and Sasuke but showed this when they easily saw what technique Deidara and Kakuzu were about to use.


    Sasuke vs deidara [1]


    Kakashi vs kakuzu http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/333/16


    With the technique being anticipated itachi has shown enough shunshin feats and reaction time to evade the technique in time before it comes from beneath him.

    Or he will be able to counter using his own technique even before jiraiya finishes
    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/587/11

    Lets assume he forgets all this and move onto elemental technique's.
    So far we all know how the 5 basic elements work. However though the manga hasn't touched upon other technique, we can use some form of common sense to speculate how the technique would fair agains't each other. Example, katon > mokuton. Its common sense to assume, fire will burn wood and in fact we have seen this in amaterasu burning the forest [1], but also the latest chapter
    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/624/11

    Now lets assume it rained a few days ago and there is mud everywhere. Next lets assume the next day the sun comes out. What happens to the mud?. Think its fair to say it solidifies. When mud comes in contact with heat it will eventually harden. Now itachi is a very good katon user, but more importantly amaterasu has been noted for its heat, hot enough to allow sasuke to take advantage of its heat and use kirin [1]. This same heat was enough to revert the cave after muki tensei [1]. The heat of any of itachi's katon variations will eventually cause the mud to solidify, though amaterasu will be the best bet. With the mud being solid, itachi can then break his way free using susano's strength [1, 2].

    After solidifying. A punch from susano on the solid mud, should free itachi.

    Finally we all know, the workings of the elements. In this case.
    Raiton > Doton. True itachi isn't a raiton user, however itachi has the ability to use the 5 basic elements granted by the yata no kagami.



    "Changes it properties, allowing it to alter its attribute in accordance with the attribute of the attack, rendering the attack ineffective".

    In short the mirror changing into a raiton based property should overcome this doton attack
     
         
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    Re: Why Jiraiya(especially SM) > Susano'o

    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze Release View Post
    Though not so interested in vs thread, ill answer.
    Also your calculations are wrong though i still get the overall premise of the thread.

    Itachi from what we have seen actually has moves to nullify this as much as possible.
    The sharingan as we know grants the user the ability to see through ninjutsu and this includes the ability to read handseals. Kakashi and Sasuke but showed this when they easily saw what technique Deidara and Kakuzu were about to use.


    Sasuke vs deidara [1]


    Kakashi vs kakuzu [1]


    With the technique being anticipated itachi has shown enough shunshin feats and reaction time to evade the technique in time before it comes from beneath him.

    Or he will be able to counter using his own technique even before jiraiya finishes [1]

    Lets assume he forgets all this and move onto elemental technique's.
    So far we all know how the 5 basic elements work. However though the manga hasn't touched upon other technique, we can use some form of common sense to speculate how the technique would fair agains't each other. Example, katon > mokuton. Its common sense to assume, fire will burn wood and in fact we have seen this in amaterasu burning the forest [1], but also the latest chapter [1].

    Now lets assume it rained a few days ago and there is mud everywhere. Next lets assume the next day the sun comes out. What happens to the mud?. Think its fair to say it solidifies. When mud comes in contact with heat it will eventually harden. Now itachi is a very good katon user, but more importantly amaterasu has been noted for its heat, hot enough to allow sasuke to take advantage of its heat and use kirin [1]. This same heat was enough to revert the cave after muki tensei [1]. The heat of any of itachi's katon variations will eventually cause the mud to solidify, though amaterasu will be the best bet. With the mud being solid, itachi can then break his way free using susano's strength [1, 2].

    After solidifying. A punch from susano on the solid mud, should free itachi.

    Finally we all know, the workings of the elements. In this case.
    Raiton > Doton. True itachi isn't a raiton user, however itachi has the ability to use the 5 basic elements granted by the yata no kagami.



    "Changes it properties, allowing it to alter its attribute in accordance with the attribute of the attack, rendering the attack ineffective".

    In short the mirror changing into a raiton based property should overcome this doton attack
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