[Discussion] Gin > Aizen

[★General.]

Ok.. once again me and my brother had argued who is stronger. And I say Ichimaru Gin.. He gives me the response "He is dead" So im here to convince you that Ichimaru Gin is indeed stronger then Base Aizen

First, take a look at this footage


Fact #1. Gin KILLED Aizen at that point, POINT BLANK. With his OWN and i emphasize OWN power

Fact #2. Aizen didnt know of gin true bankai while gin knew of aizens

Fact #3. Aizen got that strong while having modifications to his body, while gin has NEVER evolved, hence meaning, he was always that strong

Fact #4. Aizen won ONLY because he was immortal, and came back alive. Think about it, if Aizen couldnt evolve, or be immortal... gin would be home with the big booby chick

Fact #5. Gin killed aizen in Evolution #3. Base Ichimaru > Base Aizen, Aizen Form 1, Aizen Form 2, and Aizen form 3


Please, give me facts how you guys THINK aizen is stronger.. Base Aizen... Like i told my brother, if Aizen and Gin fought with abilitites they were BORN with, Gin takes this

[NeverEnding]

Gin is a bad@ss character and definitely takes this!!!

[Yusuke Urameshi]

Well, seeing as how Gin has seen Kyoka Suigetsu, I don't see a way he can possibly win. Although, Gin is a pretty dang strong character. Leave it to the black guy to be the weakest.

[Uchiha Kisuke]

Aizen never showed his bankai so Aizen > Gin

[Dunmire66]

Aizen admits that he knew about gin being a double agent the whole time he just wanted to see gin play out his role to the end. He is far stronger than gin and could destroy him at any moment. Don't get me wrong gin is awesome but aizen is far superior. Plus gin even tells ichigo that without the hogyoku aizens powers have no equal except for the captain commander.

[★General.]

He see the sword? Yes
Was the sword used on him? No
Why couldnt it? He touched the sword
Meaning. Aizen Shikai=Invalid Counter

[★General.]

Dunmire, please provide facts, I provided mine so please do yours
Btw. we dont know if aizen has a bankai. sorry.

[accept pain]

aizen with hogoku> gin

without hogoku< gin

[ShishaMastah420]

What?

Who is actually dead and Who is an immortal?

[kotoamatsukami]

Like gin said the espada did not obey him because of his sword ability they obeyed him because he was just that strong...if they fought one on one gin would not have a chance aizen is way to fast for him.

[FTG V2]

Ok.. once again me and my brother had argued who is stronger. And I say Ichimaru Gin.. He gives me the response "He is dead" So im here to convince you that Ichimaru Gin is indeed stronger then Base Aizen

First, take a look at this footage


Fact #1. Gin KILLED Aizen at that point, POINT BLANK. With his OWN and i emphasize OWN power

Fact #2. Aizen didnt know of gin true bankai while gin knew of aizens

Fact #3. Aizen got that strong while having modifications to his body, while gin has NEVER evolved, hence meaning, he was always that strong

Fact #4. Aizen won ONLY because he was immortal, and came back alive. Think about it, if Aizen couldnt evolve, or be immortal... gin would be home with the big booby chick

Fact #5. Gin killed aizen in Evolution #3. Base Ichimaru > Base Aizen, Aizen Form 1, Aizen Form 2, and Aizen form 3


Please, give me facts how you guys THINK aizen is stronger.. Base Aizen... Like i told my brother, if Aizen and Gin fought with abilitites they were BORN with, Gin takes this

Wrong

Aizen was only his 1 form that he had with his fight against Isshin,Urahara and Yoruichi.

[CENTER]

Gin only saw Form 2 once let alone form 3 and that was the end of him so let's not make a false statement.

http://images.wikia.com/bleach/en/im...n_3rd_form.JPG

^Form 2

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__...owLikeForm.png

Form 3

Gin strong, but no where near Aizen's level.

[crackpot]

Nope Gin was never a match base, otherwise he could have killed Aizen at any moment of time he was with him. Why would he wait till Aizen would get all these power ups and become near transcendant? Gin says himself you cant prepare for Kyoka Suigetsu no matter how much you try once you see Aizens sword you will always be hypnotized, all 5 senses that you use will become useless. Gin was only waiting for Aizen to stop using Kyoka Suigetsu and when he didnt have to rely on his zanpakutou... that's when Gin struck and he still lost. Sorry but Gin was never stronger than Aizen at any time in the series.

[★General.]

fanboys.. smh
u guys arent providing facts like i am

[★Grim]

I don't understand how can you state that Gin > Aizen


I saw that footage and what did we see there? Aizen who didn't expect that attack, Gin who had his hand on Aizens zampaktou only because Aizen didn't really expect Gin to move against him at that moment. How does it prove that Gin is stronger? It's a sneaky move...lol



If they we're to go against one another with intention to kill, Aizen would kill him. Just think what you're saying dude

just moment's ago Aizen slashed all of the Captains without breaking sweat and your telling me Gin could do the same?

Aizen's Shikai > everyones BAN-KAI here's the fact

[★General.]

No facts are being prooved. sigh

[★Grim]

No facts are being prooved. sigh

facts? your arguments are invalid

the only thing in which your correct is that Gin should have killed Aizen with that BAN KAI, but stronger? only stupid person would have such a conclusion after what Gin did.. you need an example like in the 1'st grade?


Let's take Manny Pacquiao and myself.... he's standing behind me and I'm holding desert eagle behind my cloak so that he can't see it. Once I shoot he would be dead...

Now think about Aizen with intention to kill Gin and his SHIKAI activated... would Gin be able to lay a finger on his Zanpakto? would he be able to even touch Aizen?

No one except Yamamoto could

[★General.]

i see you talking bro. but no words coming out
lol
its pathetic how u keep saying stuff but NONE is proof like i provided.

[★Grim]

i see you talking bro. but no words coming out
lol
its pathetic how u keep saying stuff but NONE is proof like i provided.

your an idiot :D good luck with your opinion and ignorance though, most of the people already replyed you with right answer.

couldn't actually care less what you think

[★General.]

argo why u keep replying though. lol
nice day sir

[Typhon]

Ok.. once again me and my brother had argued who is stronger. And I say Ichimaru Gin.. He gives me the response "He is dead" So im here to convince you that Ichimaru Gin is indeed stronger then Base Aizen

First, take a look at this footage


Fact #1. Gin KILLED Aizen at that point, POINT BLANK. With his OWN and i emphasize OWN power

Fact #2. Aizen didnt know of gin true bankai while gin knew of aizens

Fact #3. Aizen got that strong while having modifications to his body, while gin has NEVER evolved, hence meaning, he was always that strong

Fact #4. Aizen won ONLY because he was immortal, and came back alive. Think about it, if Aizen couldnt evolve, or be immortal... gin would be home with the big booby chick

Fact #5. Gin killed aizen in Evolution #3. Base Ichimaru > Base Aizen, Aizen Form 1, Aizen Form 2, and Aizen form 3


Please, give me facts how you guys THINK aizen is stronger.. Base Aizen... Like i told my brother, if Aizen and Gin fought with abilitites they were BORN with, Gin takes this

Eh, I would still consider Aizen the stronger character, even at base level. Gin was very sneaky, and surprised Aizen, but he was only able to do that because of how cocky Aizen had become with his new power. Remember, Aizen said he knew Gin wanted to kill him, but was curious about how he would try.

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/bleach/v45/c414/15.html

He wanted to see what Gin would do and thus he let himself be open around him. If you remove the specific scenario, and just compare the characters in a head on head battle, Aizen is definitely stronger. Even without the aid of the Hogyoku he was able to dispatch several Captains. He was also a master of Kido as displayed when he defeated Komamura in one shot with the Black Coffin kido.

And he did all this without ever using his Bankai.

So while Gin is an awesome character, one I like more than Aizen, in terms of power and even intelligence Aizen is still stronger than him.

[kotoamatsukami]

U

I don't understand how can you state that Gin > Aizen


I saw that footage and what did we see there? Aizen who didn't expect that attack, Gin who had his hand on Aizens zampaktou only because Aizen didn't really expect Gin to move against him at that moment. How does it prove that Gin is stronger? It's a sneaky move...lol



If they we're to go against one another with intention to kill, Aizen would kill him. Just think what you're saying dude

just moment's ago Aizen slashed all of the Captains without breaking sweat and your telling me Gin could do the same?

Aizen's Shikai > everyones BAN-KAI here's the fact

not everyone's bankai

[kotoamatsukami]

i see you talking bro. but no words coming out
lol
its pathetic how u keep saying stuff but NONE is proof like i provided.

Aizen Is stronger gin can't beat aizen even if he knos his sword ability he would never get the chance to touch aizen sword in a real fight now that's a fact...aizen also has kidO that would put gin to shame.

[Bringer Light]

gin is stronger than base aizen.
he killed evolved aizen only because aizen had massively lowered his rieatsu

[★General.]

@Typhon, we dont know if aizen has a bankai. He used his shikai to display a fake bankai, that could be meaning he dosent have a bankai.

[adventnova]

I believe Gin was a great character. but based on what was shown in both the manga and anime, Aizen had the drop on him. Gin dont get me wrong was an extremely strong and endearing character but he never once showed his true powers. Even in the end of the first Arc at his "death" ( i quote "death" because i dont think he is dead, maybe i dont want to believe it because of how deceptive he was even as a double agent) he put up a well fight but nothing compared to the beating he was giving Ichigo before they went through the dangai to the real Kurakura town.

Also, i believe Aizen did show off his bankai to everyone, he summoned and showed everyone in the square and everyone that was there was hypnotized when they thought it was just a show of Water Illusions from his bankai. Thats what started his whole faked death in the very beginning. this was brought to light again by Toshiro during the Fake Kurakura Town incident at he end of the first Arc, he explained to everyone still left standing and to Ichigo as he arrived to the fight from Hueco Mundo. He confirmed Ichigo was the only one that has not seen it and therefore was immune to its abilities. Then they had to keep attacking him to distract him from using it again to hypnotize Ichigo.