Misconceptions about Madara vs Mu and Onoki

[USSJ Future Trunks]

ive noticed people constantly saying that because madara won back then without going all out, he would now, that they are fodder etc.

1. they explicitly came there thinking madara was an ally and demanded to know why hashirama lied. they had no reason not to look in the guys eyes and get into his genjutsu. nor did mu come there expecting a fight and turned invisible first chance he got. sending konoha back madara's head would destroy any chance they had of avoiding a war. thus it stands to reason they didnt fight to kill.

2. we know literally nothing about the two iwa ninjas levels at the time. we know about prime mu from when he fought tobirama and trollkage. we know it was prime mu that the alliance feared as much as they feared kinkaku, and believed only onoki could stop him. we also know that mu probably spent his life refining jinton and invisibility given its his two main powers. madara probably fought prototype invisibility or outright saw through it with his EMS. the timeline suggests this is quite a ways before VOTE but after konohas formation. madara didnt use PS on hashirama back in their pre konoha fights either given he said everyone who sees it is supposed to die. meaning he got it after konohas formation and conquests. not using it on mu when he probably had him in genjutsu the moment he got there doesnt prove anything. this fight was before VOTE. which is before hashi's child gives birth to tsunade. which is a few years before hashiramas death. which is before tobirama becoming hokage. which is before tobiramas death, which is before mu vs trollkage final duel. for all we know trollkage came prepared and blew himself up which is why he wasnt all too sure that mu was actually killed. they fought at least once before in which mu discovered how trollkages jutsus work and proceeded to tell onoki. meaning mizukage understood mu's jutsus too and developed a counter.

3. madara never saw jinton before onoki used it in the 4th world war. look at the landscape. do you think the iwa boys were spamming jinton at him? no. there were barely even any cracks around the battlefield. even the building behind them wasnt destroyed. as i said, madara likely had them in genjutsu before any fight ever started because they believed madara an allied shinobi. he even caled them both children. onoki was a non factor. he was freaking 12. and if madara really wanted to prove a point wouldnt he beat mu up instead of leaving him lying down unhurt?

4. mu supposedly feared madara but you forget madara was on his way to massacre the alliance. mu knew madara would kill all of mu's iwa comrades as soon as he saw who he had just summoned. thats why he shook. onoki obviously has changed immensely and perfected his jinton, proclaming he can beat madara wiht it. only reason it failed is preta path. which he didnt have last time

[Rike Senju]

Compared to madara they are fodder..people don't realize how hashirama and EMS madara were on a whole different level than anyone else..I feel that after this chapter people feel madara is weaker than some thought but the truth is that this chapter showed how strong hashirama really was that he made an EMS user look like a fodder.

[cmilius]

Duting Hashirama and Madara fight, we all who read the manga saw madara use perfect susano to protect kurama and himself. latest chapter suggested that a regular susano madara would have not stand a little chance against hashi. So you are wrong.

[asad70ful]

yup nice
quite plausible

[Naruto9001]

Well based on how Onoki reacted to Madara's PS we know even in his prime he dosen't stand a chance aganist Madara.

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Compared to madara they are fodder.

jinton destroys him which is why he didnt try to tank it and instead used preta

Well based on how Onoki reacted to Madara's PS we know even in his prime he dosen't stand a chance aganist Madara.

onoki was out of chakra. he was gonna die and knew it. and onoki can form jinton faster than susano can become complete

. latest chapter suggested that a regular susano madara would have not stand a little chance against hashi. So you are wrong.

latest chapter showed solo madara being gangbanged by senju clan. what am i wrong about? nowhere did i ever mention hashirama senju vs madara

[Izuna34]

edo madara > NV

[USSJ Future Trunks]

^ wrong. kabuto and So6P beats him

[BigBlade Master]

Well based on how Onoki reacted to Madara's PS we know even in his prime he dosen't stand a chance aganist Madara.

I agree with this, Mu and Onoki are far weaker than EMS madara without his full power.

[Rinn3gan]

If you're going to write a wall of text of your own opinion, at least use capitals on words where applicable.

[Penguin2640]

Muu + oonoki => Madara EMS.

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Mu and Onoki are far weaker than EMS madara without his full power.

how does madara survive doubel jinton

[Draphsin]

Compared to madara they are fodder..people don't realize how hashirama and EMS madara were on a whole different level than anyone else..I feel that after this chapter people feel madara is weaker than some thought but the truth is that this chapter showed how strong hashirama really was that he made an EMS user look like a fodder.

Exactly this!

Madara was overhyped so much that kishi had to make the senju live up to that hype as well. Since we're seeing the senju development later in the story, people are bandwagoning to them and thinking that madara is weak because of that........

[KidGamer65]

Muu + oonoki => Madara EMS.

Perfect Susanoo>Onoki and Muu.