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    [Theory] Tobirama is more of a Shinobi than Hashirama and Madara

    Shinobi or Ninja were mercenaries in the Feudal Japan.... They are hired henchmen who are supposed to do the bidding of their boss or master....

    In Part 1 when Hiruzen explained about ranking missions like S,A,B,C,D.... He said they get all kinds of assignments from being bodyguards to assasinations....

    Shinobi are basically very tough guys.... They give utmost importance to their missions but a true Shinobi also will readily sacrifice for his comrades....

    I think Tobirama was more of a Shinobi than Hasirama and Madara cause -

    1.He was a tough guy.... having invented a jutsu like Edo Tensei.... It requires a strong mind to use people for some jutsu like that.... Each time the experiment fails.... One extra life is lost....

    2.He readily gave his life for protecting his comrades....

    3.He didn't hate the Uchiha but was cautious with them.... He might not have liked Madara but ultimately he gave The Uchiha an important job of law enforcement(Konoha Police Force)....

    4.If he was a bad he would have chosen Danzo as the Third Hokage but he chose Hiruzen.... Hiruzen's ideology was more like Hashirama's....

    Hashirama was more like a hero.... He was soft and compassionate....
    Madara had a twisted ideology and was consumed in hatred.... I think Madara was the one who actually KILLED Izuna.... Just my opinion....

    I really don't get why people are calling Tobirama villain and evil based on one chapter.... Tobirama basically has more qualities of a True Ninja than Hashi and Madara cause Hashi was soft and Madara was emo....

    Share your thoughts guys.... :D :D
     
         
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    Re: [Theory] Tobirama is more of a Shinobi than Hashirama and Madara

    I stopped reading when u said madara killed izuna. It was clearly shown tobirama slashing him.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Tobirama is more of a Shinobi than Hashirama and Madara

    Totally agree he is the only shinobi that make sense and gained my respect compared to the naive hashirama and butthurt Madara.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Tobirama is more of a Shinobi than Hashirama and Madara

    So deep.. My opinion of Tobirama changed thanks to you p_q... Repmand thanks :D
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Tobirama is more of a Shinobi than Hashirama and Madara

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    I stopped reading when u said madara killed izuna. It was clearly shown tobirama slashing him.
    I said its just my opinion.... Plus Izuna was just injured.... None of us saw any seen showing Izuna dying.... :D :D
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Tobirama is more of a Shinobi than Hashirama and Madara

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    Totally agree he is the only shinobi that make sense and gained my respect compared to the naive hashirama and butthurt Madara.
    Quote Originally Posted by Yonkou Pandaman View Post
    So deep.. My opinion of Tobirama changed thanks to you p_q... Repmand thanks :D
    Thanks Guys.... :D :D
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Tobirama is more of a Shinobi than Hashirama and Madara

    Yeah, probably. It's a shame they'd both whoop his ass.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Tobirama is more of a Shinobi than Hashirama and Madara

    Usually you are smart when you create a jutsu, not tough. He is tough, but not for Edo Tensei.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Tobirama is more of a Shinobi than Hashirama and Madara

    Quote Originally Posted by Shouri Uchiha View Post
    Shinobi or Ninja were mercenaries in the Feudal Japan.... They are hired henchmen who are supposed to do the bidding of their boss or master....

    In Part 1 when Hiruzen explained about ranking missions like S,A,B,C,D.... He said they get all kinds of assignments from being bodyguards to assasinations....

    Shinobi are basically very tough guys.... They give utmost importance to their missions but a true Shinobi also will readily sacrifice for his comrades....

    I think Tobirama was more of a Shinobi than Hasirama and Madara cause -

    1.He was a tough guy.... having invented a jutsu like Edo Tensei....
    2.He readily gave his life for protecting his comrades....
    3.He didn't hate the Uchiha but was cautious with them.... He might not have liked Madara but ultimately he gave The Uchiha an important job of law enforcement(Konoha Police Force)....
    4.If he was a bad he would have chosen Danzo as the Third Hokage but he chose Hiruzen.... Hiruzen's ideology was more like Hashirama's....

    Hashirama was more like a hero.... He was soft and compassionate....
    Madara had a twisted ideology and was consumed in hatred.... I think Madara was the one who actually KILLED Izuna.... Just my opinion....

    I really don't get why people are calling Tobirama villain and evil based on one chapter.... Tobirama basically has more qualities of a True Ninja than Hashi and Madara cause Hashi was soft and Madara was emo....

    Share your thoughts guys.... :D :D
    okay i understand your point's,(kind of) but i need some of that thing you are smoking.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Tobirama is more of a Shinobi than Hashirama and Madara

    Quote Originally Posted by SasoriOfTheRedSaand View Post
    Yeah, probably. It's a shame they'd both whoop his ass.
    Well.... I'm not comparing them power wise but mentality wise.... Hashi would whoop him cause Hashi is a hero and Madara will whoop him cause Madara is a twisted and strong villain.... :D :D
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Tobirama is more of a Shinobi than Hashirama and Madara

    I agree with you.
    And madara may have killed izuna to stop him suffering from injury.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Tobirama is more of a Shinobi than Hashirama and Madara

    Quote Originally Posted by Penguin2640 View Post
    Usually you are smart when you create a jutsu, not tough. He is tough, but not for Edo Tensei.
    Well you need a sacrificial victim for Edo Tensei.... That made me say he's tough.... It requires a strong mind to use people for some jutsu like that.... Each time the experiment fails.... One extra life is lost.... :D :D
     
         
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    Re: [Theory] Tobirama is more of a Shinobi than Hashirama and Madara

    i agree tobirama was a better shinobi than hashi .

    if there was no tobirama madara would be the leader , and consequences will severe
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Tobirama is more of a Shinobi than Hashirama and Madara

    Quote Originally Posted by Pwner10144 View Post
    okay i understand your point's,(kind of) but i need some of that thing you are smoking.
    Would have loved to share but unfortunately I cant teleport to England right now.... :scorps:
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Tobirama is more of a Shinobi than Hashirama and Madara

    Important job :D bullshit.
    He dont hate uchiha but he izolate them.

    After all he did moar bad than good
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Tobirama is more of a Shinobi than Hashirama and Madara

    Quote Originally Posted by DeDoll View Post
    Important job :D bullshit.
    He dont hate uchiha but he izolate them.

    After all he did moar bad than good
    Well.... I said he was cautious with them.... :D :D
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Tobirama is more of a Shinobi than Hashirama and Madara

    Hashirama was too naive, tobirama was perceptive and could see that the uchiha are a curse of hatred and will do anything to overthrow the senju if they get the chance
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Tobirama is more of a Shinobi than Hashirama and Madara

    Finally something that can backup Tobirama from my anger
    Nice theory!!
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Tobirama is more of a Shinobi than Hashirama and Madara

    Quote Originally Posted by P3IN View Post
    Hashirama was too naive, tobirama was perceptive and could see that the uchiha are a curse of hatred and will do anything to overthrow the senju if they get the chance
    Thats True.... :D :D
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Tobirama is more of a Shinobi than Hashirama and Madara

    That's like saying he's more of a ninja than Naruto too so....
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Tobirama is more of a Shinobi than Hashirama and Madara

    Quote Originally Posted by Sage of all Shinobi View Post
    Totally agree he is the only shinobi that make sense and gained my respect compared to the naive hashirama and butthurt Madara.
    my thoughts as well
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Tobirama is more of a Shinobi than Hashirama and Madara

    Quote Originally Posted by uchihaminato19 View Post
    That's like saying he's more of a ninja than Naruto too so....
    Yup.... I'm saying it from a real world POV.... Naruto is like Hashirama.... A Hero.... :D :D
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Tobirama is more of a Shinobi than Hashirama and Madara

    Quote Originally Posted by Shouri Uchiha View Post
    Shinobi or Ninja were mercenaries in the Feudal Japan.... They are hired henchmen who are supposed to do the bidding of their boss or master....

    In Part 1 when Hiruzen explained about ranking missions like S,A,B,C,D.... He said they get all kinds of assignments from being bodyguards to assasinations....

    Shinobi are basically very tough guys.... They give utmost importance to their missions but a true Shinobi also will readily sacrifice for his comrades....

    I think Tobirama was more of a Shinobi than Hasirama and Madara cause -

    1.He was a tough guy.... having invented a jutsu like Edo Tensei.... It requires a strong mind to use people for some jutsu like that.... Each time the experiment fails.... One extra life is lost....

    2.He readily gave his life for protecting his comrades....

    3.He didn't hate the Uchiha but was cautious with them.... He might not have liked Madara but ultimately he gave The Uchiha an important job of law enforcement(Konoha Police Force)....

    4.If he was a bad he would have chosen Danzo as the Third Hokage but he chose Hiruzen.... Hiruzen's ideology was more like Hashirama's....

    Hashirama was more like a hero.... He was soft and compassionate....
    Madara had a twisted ideology and was consumed in hatred.... I think Madara was the one who actually KILLED Izuna.... Just my opinion....

    I really don't get why people are calling Tobirama villain and evil based on one chapter.... Tobirama basically has more qualities of a True Ninja than Hashi and Madara cause Hashi was soft and Madara was emo....

    Share your thoughts guys.... :D :D
    I think what you speak of is the "current" way of looking at what a shinobi is, however, What I think you may have missed is that maybe that is what is wrong with the current shinobi world. Maybe what hashriama, and those who believe as he does wanted, include the sage of six paths want is a better way for shinobi to be... If you really look at it, tobirama is the reason why the uchiha eventually want to coup, he is also the reason why madara became corrupt, if he had only believed in his brothers way of thinking, the curse of hatred could have been broken and we wouldnt be where we are now. he did nothing to help them, in fact he only fueled their hate.... do you really think thats a good nindo?
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Tobirama is more of a Shinobi than Hashirama and Madara

    Quote Originally Posted by Amelius View Post
    I think what you speak of is the "current" way of looking at what a shinobi is, however, What I think you may have missed is that maybe that is what is wrong with the current shinobi world. Maybe what hashriama, and those who believe as he does wanted, include the sage of six paths want is a better way for shinobi to be... If you really look at it, tobirama is the reason why the uchiha eventually want to coup, he is also the reason why madara became corrupt, if he had only believed in his brothers way of thinking, the curse of hatred could have been broken and we wouldnt be where we are now. he did nothing to help them, in fact he only fueled their hate.... do you really think thats a good nindo?
    I'm speaking of a neutral way of looking at things.... Tobirama was cautious when it came to the Uchiha.... I see nothing wrong in it.... Anyone would like to be alert when it comes to their long time rivals.... Madara was a twisted emo.... And if Tobirama was really that bad he wouldn't have chosen Hiruzen as the 3rd Hokage.... Hiruzen's ideology was more like Hashirama's.... In fact in the current NV most Shinobi's follow that ideology.... Tobirama asked Hiruzen to pass the Will Of Fire to the future generations.... He was a good guy but I say he was very cautious and practical.... :D :D
     
         

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