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    [Theory] How Madara did -not- die. Chapter 626 spoilers ahead.

    As we all know, Madara was somehow still alive when he met Obito. He had the Rinnegan and Senju DNA inside him.

    Since Edo Tensei is not perfect and I cannot picture Tobirama using a perfect version of it to raise Madara, I am going to assume that was the master move in Madara's plan to acquire Hashirama's DNA. It is clear to me that he read the requirements for Rinnegan on the tablet - Senju and Uchiha DNA.

    So, I propose this.

    Madara knew he was losing the moment he lost the Kyuubi. So, what does he do? He realises he can't win and uses Tsukuyomi on Hashirama.





    Note the moon ( Eye of the Moon Plan, the Moon has started to be a symbol for Tsukuyomi and if I am not mistaken in Japanese mythology Tsukuyomi is linked to the Moon ) and the close shot on his EMS.

    I do not believe Madara would have fallen for his Mokubunshin. Not when he said this.



    Why would he lie to the Gokage? Make himself seem stronger? He was already stomping them. No. I believe Madara saw through the bunshin and let Hashirama stab him, using Tsukuyomi to make him think he fatally wounded him, when in reality he probably missed his heart.



    With Hashirama 100% dedicated to the Village and thinking Madara was dead, Madara now had a clear path to obtain the Rinnegan and plan his revenge.

    He had Hashi's DNA and the whole world thought he was dead, giving him a perfect cover and the only thing he needed for the Rinnegan.

    Regarding Madara's wound. Look at this pic.



    and then this



    In the first one, Madara is stabbed straight through the middle of his chest, i.e. his heart. This is from Hashirama's POV who, based on my theory, is under genjutsu and thinks he killed Madara.

    In the second we clearly see the wound is slightly to the left, which suggests Hashirama missed his heart.
     
         
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    Re: [Theory] How Madara did -not- die. Chapter 626 spoilers ahead.

    I'm not buying this theory. It somewhat fits, but I can't accept this.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] How Madara did -not- die. Chapter 626 spoilers ahead.

    wow thats a great theory.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] How Madara did -not- die. Chapter 626 spoilers ahead.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrProof View Post
    I'm not buying this theory. It somewhat fits, but I can't accept this.
    It's the only thing that makes sense to me. No other reincarnation jutsus but Edo Tensei and Rinnetensei are known ( and Chiyo's, too ) and Tobirama would never use Edo Tensei on Madara. Not even if Hashirama begged him. Hashi clearly said that he will kill anyone who would hurt the village. He wouldn't raise Madara.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] How Madara did -not- die. Chapter 626 spoilers ahead.

    it couldnt be a genjutsu because that's the wound that madara plants hashi's cells in
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] How Madara did -not- die. Chapter 626 spoilers ahead.

    seems possible.Nice find.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] How Madara did -not- die. Chapter 626 spoilers ahead.

    That actually makes sense. Some fanboy will just come in later and flame you but very good and if we do get an explanation i hope you are correct
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] How Madara did -not- die. Chapter 626 spoilers ahead.

    Quote Originally Posted by rollin View Post
    it couldnt be a genjutsu because that's the wound that madara plants hashi's cells in
    Yup. This theory is refuted.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] How Madara did -not- die. Chapter 626 spoilers ahead.

    Quote Originally Posted by rollin View Post
    it couldnt be a genjutsu because that's the wound that madara plants hashi's cells in
    EDIT - Forgot about this.... :D :D
     
         
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    Re: [Theory] How Madara did -not- die. Chapter 626 spoilers ahead.

    Quote Originally Posted by rollin View Post
    it couldnt be a genjutsu because that's the wound that madara plants hashi's cells in
    That wound is definitely from Hashirama's sword, but I believe the genjutsu made him miss his heart by a few inches and Madara used it to deceive Hashirama into thinking he killed him.

    Yup. This theory is refuted.
    I never said he did not get stabbed. I said he genjutsu'd Hashirama into not hitting his heart.



    Look at this graph and Madara's wound. It didn't pierce his heart.
     
         
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    Re: [Theory] How Madara did -not- die. Chapter 626 spoilers ahead.

    Quote Originally Posted by pateuvasiliu View Post
    That wound is definitely from Hashirama's sword, but I believe the genjutsu made him miss his heart by a few inches and Madara used it to deceive Hashirama into thinking he killed him.



    I never said he did not get stabbed. I said he genjutsu'd Hashirama into not hitting his heart.
    Slim chance all the less. Go back, and investigate bro.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] How Madara did -not- die. Chapter 626 spoilers ahead.

    Quote Originally Posted by rollin View Post
    it couldnt be a genjutsu because that's the wound that madara plants hashi's cells in
    Damn, it was a good try though.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] How Madara did -not- die. Chapter 626 spoilers ahead.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrProof View Post
    Slim chance all the less. Go back, and investigate bro.
    There is nothing to investigate. The story is told from Hashirama's POV. Madara could see through wood clones as stated before. He got stabbed near the heart, not through the heart.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] How Madara did -not- die. Chapter 626 spoilers ahead.

    Edited the OP responding to the Wound scan.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] How Madara did -not- die. Chapter 626 spoilers ahead.

    I disagree, if he used Tsukuyomi, why was he on life support later on. wasn't it due to the massive beating he received?
    if it was Tsukuyomi, he would survive and still be complete.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] How Madara did -not- die. Chapter 626 spoilers ahead.

    Quote Originally Posted by olumiday View Post
    I disagree, if he used Tsukuyomi, why was he on life support later on.
    if it was Tsukuyomi, he would survive and still be complete.
    Because he was extremely old back then.

    Will come back with an actual number.
     
         
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    Re: [Theory] How Madara did -not- die. Chapter 626 spoilers ahead.

    Excellent theory and this may happen
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] How Madara did -not- die. Chapter 626 spoilers ahead.

    Quote Originally Posted by pateuvasiliu View Post
    Because he was extremely old back then.

    Will come back with an actual number.
    Mads is around 30 years older than Hiruzen.

    Hiruzen was 70 in Part I and 52 when the Kyuubi assaulted the village. Let's assume Obito attacked the village 1 or 2 years after he met Madara.

    That puts Madara at around 80 years when he met Obito.

    A lifetime of war will make one age faster and it is known that humans have developed longer lifespans as technology and time progressed.

    For an 80 year old Madara to require life support is not ridiculous at all.

    Following this thread, Madara was around 84 when he found Obito.

    http://narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=306153
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] How Madara did -not- die. Chapter 626 spoilers ahead.

    I agree that Hashirama got put under a genjutsu.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] How Madara did -not- die. Chapter 626 spoilers ahead.

    seems plausible
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] How Madara did -not- die. Chapter 626 spoilers ahead.

    Well but how did he get a mortal wound around the chest region?



    Lowest middle panel... look at Madz's chest.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] How Madara did -not- die. Chapter 626 spoilers ahead.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anorien16 View Post
    Well but how did he get a mortal wound around the chest region?



    Lowest middle panel... look at Madz's chest.
    I explained that in the OP.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] How Madara did -not- die. Chapter 626 spoilers ahead.

    I wrote something very similar to this thread, albeit alot shorter....

    But I agree, only thing that makes sense as to how he survived in my eyes.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] How Madara did -not- die. Chapter 626 spoilers ahead.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrProof View Post
    I'm not buying this theory. It somewhat fits, but I can't accept this.
    Can you not accept it because the manga didn't state it or you just don't want to accept it
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] How Madara did -not- die. Chapter 626 spoilers ahead.

    Quote Originally Posted by pateuvasiliu View Post
    I explained that in the OP.
    Bad anatomy u got there.... the heart is always slightly towards the left, not the middle.
     
         

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