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    You can't use Izanagi without Senju cells...

    http://www.mangapanda.com/93-57473-1...apter-510.html
    Edit: You also can't use Izanagi without losing sight in the eye with which you cast it
    We already know, and it is 100% that Madara gave Nagato HIS eyes, not a set of spares, not just one, but BOTH of his eyes
    Sick of people saying Madara used Izangi to survive because we know he only gets Senju cells post fight not before or during. Even if he got them during I doubt he'd be able to utilize them right away, the whole thing is preposterous

    However, I will admit its a possibility he cast a genjutsu on Hashirama. But did anyone actually notice the way he stabbed Madara? For 1 thing it wasn't through the heart or anything so it wouldn't be a definite kill, and also the way he stabbed him from behind was a nice parallel about how Madara hated anyone being behind him like when he's peeing and Hashi stands behind him

    Also in that link there's a mistake and it says Senji instead of Senju which I thought was funny
    Sorry if something along these same lines has already been posted


    Further Edit: http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Izanagi
    ~Naruto&Itachi~ showed me that you actually don't need Senju cells to do Izanagi, they just make it last longer.
    Having said this, I still believe 100% that Madara didn't use Izanagi because he gave both his eyes to Nagato
     
         
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    Re: You can't use Izanagi without Senju cells...

    Quote Originally Posted by narito View Post
    http://www.mangapanda.com/93-57473-1...apter-510.html

    Sick of people saying Madara used Izangi to survive because we know he only gets Senju cells post fight not before or during. Even if he got them during I doubt he'd be able to utilize them right away, the whole thing is preposterous .

    However, I will admit its a possibility he cast a genjutsu on Hashirama. But did anyone actually notice the way he stabbed Madara? For 1 thing it wasn't through the heart or anything so it wouldn't be a definite kill, and also the way he stabbed him from behind was a nice parallel about how Madara hated anyone being behind him like when he's peeing and Hashi stands behind him

    Also in that link there's a mistake and it says Senji instead of Senju which I thought was funny

    Sorry if something along these same lines has already been posted
    I pretty sure he was stabbed in a lung.. He also could of stabbed thought his spine causing madara to go into shock of some sort.
     
         

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    Re: You can't use Izanagi without Senju cells...

    I am pretty sure that Madara didn't use Izanagi to survive.
     
         

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    Re: You can't use Izanagi without Senju cells...

    why u need senju dna for izanagi but not for izanami ?
     
         

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    Re: You can't use Izanagi without Senju cells...

    If he did Hashirama would have noticed since he was a senor type and genjutsu user as well..I still believe someone saved him after the fight
     
         

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    Re: You can't use Izanagi without Senju cells...

    you get em bro
     
         

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    Re: You can't use Izanagi without Senju cells...

    Quote Originally Posted by xjimbox View Post
    I pretty sure he was stabbed in a lung.. He also could of stabbed thought his spine causing madara to go into shock of some sort.
    Ahh that's true, didn't think of that. But like, he had the opportunity to end it for sure and he didn't. Its just like with Kakashi only punching Obito in the stomach when he could've easily Raikiri'd him

    Quote Originally Posted by hamstaman View Post
    why u need senju dna for izanagi but not for izanami ?
    I dunno the exact reason but I think it has something to do with Izanami being used to punish (not sure if thats the right word) those who used abused Izanagi

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny335704 View Post
    I am pretty sure that Madara didn't use Izanagi to survive.
    Agreed man
     
         

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    Re: You can't use Izanagi without Senju cells...

    Well he did think he killed him lol
     
         

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    Re: You can't use Izanagi without Senju cells...

    Ofc he didnt his will to seek out his dream was enough to keep him alive.
     
         

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    Re: You can't use Izanagi without Senju cells...

    Please explain why you need Senju cells???? Kill yourself. Obito is a troll you do not need Senju DNA- Explain Izanami then? No Senju DNA for a techinique that Uciha's used so that they would not fail their missions? Explain explain explain...
     
         

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    Re: You can't use Izanagi without Senju cells...

    I'm pretty sure Madara was a Zetsu clone.
     
         

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    Re: You can't use Izanagi without Senju cells...

    Kishi's been known to back track like hell.

    But as of now, you need the eye and the body for hack Izanagi.
     
         

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    Re: You can't use Izanagi without Senju cells...

    Quote Originally Posted by DeathReaperUzumaki View Post
    Please explain why you need Senju cells???? Kill yourself. Obito is a troll you do not need Senju DNA- Explain Izanami then? No Senju DNA for a techinique that Uciha's used so that they would not fail their missions? Explain explain explain...
    Obito has no reason to lie about how to obtain Izanagi.

    Only two people so far was seen using Izanagi. Danzo and Obito. So what Obito said you can't refute.

    Just because Izanami is a counter to Izanagi doesn't mean the methods to obtain them are the same.

    -Izanagi is way more hack/useful in general then Izanami.
     
         
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    Re: You can't use Izanagi without Senju cells...

    no....izanagi does not need senju cells...itachi clearly says that several uchiha used izanagi(the forbidden uchiha jutsu, not the uchiha and senju forbidden jutsu) and other uchiha used izanami as a punishment for using the forbidden technique. If that's the case there should be more guys with rinni.
     
         
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    Re: You can't use Izanagi without Senju cells...

    Quote Originally Posted by edo tensai wilmaso View Post
    no....izanagi does not need senju cells...itachi clearly says that several uchiha used izanagi(the forbidden uchiha jutsu, not the uchiha and senju forbidden jutsu) and other uchiha used izanami as a punishment for using the forbidden technique. If that's the case there should be more guys with rinni.
    How hard was it to obtain Senju cells in the past?

    Senju, not Hashirama cells.
     
         

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    Re: You can't use Izanagi without Senju cells...

    Quote Originally Posted by DeathReaperUzumaki View Post
    Please explain why you need Senju cells???? Kill yourself. Obito is a troll you do not need Senju DNA- Explain Izanami then? No Senju DNA for a techinique that Uciha's used so that they would not fail their missions? Explain explain explain...
    I did provide a link.
    K I'll go kill myself now that you've told me to
    Also, I agree with everything that Confusion has said above
     
         

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    Re: You can't use Izanagi without Senju cells...

    Nope the translation is wrong it is suppose to be OR not AND.....to use izanagi you need to be descendent of SO6P and if you acquire the sharingan and senju DNA it improves it.....it makes it longer and no not any physical feature just the jutsu....got this from danzou vs sasuke I think
     
         

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    Re: You can't use Izanagi without Senju cells...

    Well the two people we saw use Izanagi, Obito and Danzo did have Senju DNA and previous Uchiha members could easily get it from Senjus that were alive back then, its harder to come by now.
     
         

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    Re: You can't use Izanagi without Senju cells...

    Quote Originally Posted by ~Naruto&Itachi~ View Post
    Nope the translation is wrong it is suppose to be OR not AND.....to use izanagi you need to be descendent of SO6P and if you acquire the sharingan and senju DNA it improves it.....it makes it longer and no not any physical feature just the jutsu....got this from danzou vs sasuke I think
    Yeah that could be possible, can you link me to one with the correct translation?
    Also by saying descended from the Sage you're implying that Hashirama can use Izanagi

    And I don't really think Senju DNA improves it, and even if it did isn't the point of Izanagi is used to take the favourable outcome of a situation? What I mean by this is in a life threatening situation when you're about to die to use Izanagi to not die
    Pretty much what I'm trying to say is that you can use it at the last minute so making its duration last longer doesn't really matter
     
         

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    Re: You can't use Izanagi without Senju cells...

    Madara will saved him not the latter.
     
         

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    Re: You can't use Izanagi without Senju cells...

    Quote Originally Posted by cmilius View Post
    Madara will saved him not the latter.
    Care to explain?
     
         

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    Re: You can't use Izanagi without Senju cells...

    Quote Originally Posted by narito View Post
    Yeah that could be possible, can you link me to one with the correct translation?
    Also by saying descended from the Sage you're implying that Hashirama can use Izanagi

    And I don't really think Senju DNA improves it, and even if it did isn't the point of Izanagi is used to take the favourable outcome of a situation? What I mean by this is in a life threatening situation when you're about to die to use Izanagi to not die
    Pretty much what I'm trying to say is that you can use it at the last minute so making its duration last longer doesn't really matter
    Buy a viz translation and Tell that to danzo
     
         
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    Re: You can't use Izanagi without Senju cells...

    Mistranslation, I'm sure obito meant that he needed senju DNA for how LONG he had to keep izanagi active, he was in full control of senju cells where as Danzo wasn't.

    Would make no sense if itachi, who has no senju dna, could use izanami, the counter to izanagi.
     
         

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    Re: You can't use Izanagi without Senju cells...

    Quote Originally Posted by ~Naruto&Itachi~ View Post
    Buy a viz translation and Tell that to danzo
    Danzo always uses at the last minute though, not really for an extended period of time
    If Izanagi needs the Sharingan "OR" Senju DNA why can't Hashirama use Izanagi??Pls respond

    Quote Originally Posted by beast7960 View Post
    Mistranslation, I'm sure obito meant that he needed senju DNA for how LONG he had to keep izanagi active, he was in full control of senju cells where as Danzo wasn't.

    Would make no sense if itachi, who has no senju dna, could use izanami, the counter to izanagi.
    I'm kinda confused, what do you mean for how long he had to keep it active? Can you explain whatcha mean with an example or something? In the Konan fight he uses it at the last minute to take the favourable outcome of not dying in the paper bomb chasm, much like Danzo uses it at the last minute to not be killed by being impaled by Sasuke's Susanoo sword

    I can't think of any instance where its used for an extended period of time
    But yeah, you make a fair point about Itachi. Still though, Itachi was an absolute genius, like Hokage level thinking at age 6/7 and the 3rd said he learned all the Uchiha's forbidden techniques/seals and stuff when no-one else bothered to
     
         

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    Re: You can't use Izanagi without Senju cells...

    Quote Originally Posted by narito View Post
    Danzo always uses at the last minute though, not really for an extended period of time
    If Izanagi needs the Sharingan "OR" Senju DNA why can't Hashirama use Izanagi??Pls respond

    Ok ummm go and read the danzo vs sasuke fight again.....and Hashi either doesn't know or doesn't need it.....Hashi doesn't know everything we do....you know that right????
     
         

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