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    Ichigo may be the strongest Vizard

    After seeing Tosen with a hollow mask, it started me thinking. Ichigo is the only known shinigami to go through the hollowfication without the help of Aizen. I think that this "natural" process is what allowed Ichigo to go through that transformation when he fought Uliquirra and that the other Vizards, including Aizens group are unable to transform like that.
     
         

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    Re: Ichigo may be the strongest Vizard

    yes, but i still think that that's why ichigo is way overpowered..
     
         

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    Re: Ichigo may be the strongest Vizard

    I agree, and i also believe that there is some big connection between ichigo's dad and the soul society not just by him being a shinagami but because remember almost everyone has seen his dad yet no one recognized him.
     
         

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    Re: Ichigo may be the strongest Vizard

    Quote Originally Posted by narutosharingan View Post
    I agree, and i also believe that there is some big connection between ichigo's dad and the soul society not just by him being a shinagami but because remember almost everyone has seen his dad yet no one recognized him.
    well with his dad, he left the SS 100 years ago, so any squad member that would have joined after that they wouldn't have known Isshin was a captain
     
         

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    Re: Ichigo may be the strongest Vizard

    yeah but what about the head captain and the other two captain (forgot their names) head captains students.
     
         

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    Re: Ichigo may be the strongest Vizard

    Quote Originally Posted by narutosharingan View Post
    yeah but what about the head captain and the other two captain (forgot their names) head captains students.
    I don't think they've seen him...
     
         

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    Re: Ichigo may be the strongest Vizard

    and byakuya knew yoruichi his grandfather was a captain he might know who he is personally i think ichigo's father is on a whole other level and is more ancient then kisuke

    on the thread topic yeah i think this makes a lot of sense though i think that might just be the actual hollowfication kisuke had in mind
     
         

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    Re: Ichigo may be the strongest Vizard

    Quote Originally Posted by Ragnaroc View Post
    I don't think they've seen him...
    Wait so then how does urahara knows him?:confused:
    and shouldn't his name be in the records at soul society research center or library.
     
         

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    Re: Ichigo may be the strongest Vizard

    I'm new to this site so please forgive me if my view of the whole Vizard thing was already discussed.

    We know Ichigo has an enormous amount spritual energy but didn't really know how much until Unohana assumed he was was at full strength because it was at a Captain Class level. He has gotten strong and I think the stronger he gets the stronger his inner hollow will become. We know how evolution happens in hollows but nothing about the evolution of inner hollows. His inner hollow is definitely evolving and might be as powerful as an actual Vasto Lorde.
     
         
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    Re: Ichigo may be the strongest Vizard

    Well yes, Ichigo's hollow is a special case. Ichigo is the only one who actually still has some connection with it. All the other Vizards have no problems with their masks and as I understand it they just have beaten their hollow and it never came back.

    And about his father, he probably changed his name. If Yamamoto or one of the older captains would see him, they probably would recognize him. But they haven't seen him. He and Ichigo have the same backname, if he wouldn't have changed it, they should have figured it out by now or at least suspected something.
     
         

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    Re: Ichigo may be the strongest Vizard

    Quote Originally Posted by Ragnaroc View Post
    well with his dad, he left the SS 100 years ago, so any squad member that would have joined after that they wouldn't have known Isshin was a captain
    wheres the info for that statement come from?

    weve got almost no info on isshin . weve seen him with a captains uniform.

    i dont think hes met that many of the shinigami from SS...who has he met???

    my wager would be on himn being (ex) captain of zero divison - the royal gaurds. reckon ichigos mum is a princess ran off on to have a fling with him and they went into those bodies to hide there reiatsu

    edit :P just checked bleach wiki (i know its not the most reliable source) but it says only person other than kon and the other puppet ****s that know about him being a shinigami is Ryūken and urahara
     
         
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    Re: Ichigo may be the strongest Vizard

    Its interesting alright.

    Ichigo is as far as we know the only Natural Visard.
    Not only that but he gained his own shinigami powers as he was decending into a hollow, meaning he gained both powers at the same time, this might be why Zangetsu and Hollow Ichigo are the same being.

    I think I'll wait until after we learn more about Ichigo's current state and his new mask before I start making theories.
     
         

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    Re: Ichigo may be the strongest Vizard

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkMarke View Post
    Its interesting alright.

    Ichigo is as far as we know the only Natural Visard.
    Not only that but he gained his own shinigami powers as he was decending into a hollow, meaning he gained both powers at the same time, this might be why Zangetsu and Hollow Ichigo are the same being.

    I think I'll wait until after we learn more about Ichigo's current state and his new mask before I start making theories.
    Hummmmm.....You actually made a really good point in regard to Ichigo gaining both Shinigami and Hollow powers at the same time....Definitely a unique case.
     
         

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    Re: Ichigo may be the strongest Vizard

    Quote Originally Posted by narutosharingan View Post
    Wait so then how does urahara knows him?:confused:
    and shouldn't his name be in the records at soul society research center or library.
    well what i think is since Isshin left, they may have stricken him from the records or maybe he was allowed to leave and thats why nobody is really looking for him. As far as why does Urahara know, its possible the Urahara knows him from before he went into exile, I can't really remember what happned first, Urahara going into exile or Isshin leaving. If Isshin left first, then its possible that Urahara would have known who he was. If Urahara left first, then maybe Isshin sought him out so that he could get a gigai from him that would hel conceal his Spiritual Pressure
     
         

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    Re: Ichigo may be the strongest Vizard

    it is obvious that ichigo is the strongest, he is main character and he has been ivolving since the beginning of the manga, and as its seems he is still evolving so my guess is that he will be what aizen calls vasto lord or something similar
     
         

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    Re: Ichigo may be the strongest Vizard

    I think when Ichigo went full hollow that he was a Vasto Lorde, but his is just my opinion.
     
         

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    Re: Ichigo may be the strongest Vizard

    I think that in february we'll have a bigger picture regarding this. He's strong, how strong compared to others, we don't really know yet. I think his strength comes from his bloodline + that hollowfication.

    I still think Ichigo is the royal heir.
     
         

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    Re: Ichigo may be the strongest Vizard

    Personally I think that Tousens resurrection is the same thing what happened to Ichigo vs Ulquiorra, you know the whole horned-demon-out-of-nowhere-god-mod-wich-saved-ichigo's-ass-AGAIN-thingy.
    Oh well, Aizens probably going to own him anyway, but I'm more interested in Gin.
     
         

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    Re: Ichigo may be the strongest Vizard

    Ichigo is really interesting, Tousen releases were quite similar... but different and not so human like Ichigo hollow "release" And Ichigo still had his sword around o__o Tousen didn't right?
     
         

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    Re: Ichigo may be the strongest Vizard

    Very much true, but on the other hand, it might differ per ressurection.
    After all, when grimjow uses his ressurection he loses his sword and the little bit of masculinity he had.
    When Noitora releases he still has his weapon, 4 of it to be exact.
    I think ichigo's full hollow thing was a ressurection.
    The only difference I see so far is that Ichigo's mask can change, allowing him to possibly evolve further.
     
         

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    Re: Ichigo may be the strongest Vizard

    Quote Originally Posted by Ragnaroc View Post
    Ichigo is the only known shinigami to go through the hollowfication without the help of Aizen.
    technically i think his hollow part was released but left dormant cos he took the powers from rukia who was a vessel for the Hōgyoku so he probably took some of it's powers too.
    whereas rukia probably hasn't changed cos it was sorta sealed within her i believe rather than used on her.

    so technically he probably should be about the same as the vizards living with shinji etc.
     
         

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    Re: Ichigo may be the strongest Vizard

    Quote Originally Posted by Kawagiri View Post
    technically i think his hollow part was released but left dormant cos he took the powers from rukia who was a vessel for the Hōgyoku so he probably took some of it's powers too.
    whereas rukia probably hasn't changed cos it was sorta sealed within her i believe rather than used on her.

    so technically he probably should be about the same as the vizards living with shinji etc.
    rukia was a vessel for the hogyoku AFTER ichigo gained her powers...

    when ichigo got her powers she went to urahara and jumped into a gigai which urahara attached the hogyoku to her soul/spirirt with the intention that she would eventually loose all her shinigamui powers and the hogyoku would be hidden forever...

    ichigos hollow powers come from his attempt to (re)gain his (own) shinigami powers...theres a bit where hes changing into a hollow but resisting the change...and then bang... big explosion...jumps out of the hole with a hollow mask on but shinigami robes...ta'daa
     
         

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    Re: Ichigo may be the strongest Vizard

    Quote Originally Posted by David Walker View Post
    wheres the info for that statement come from?

    weve got almost no info on isshin . weve seen him with a captains uniform.

    i dont think hes met that many of the shinigami from SS...who has he met???

    my wager would be on himn being (ex) captain of zero divison - the royal gaurds. reckon ichigos mum is a princess ran off on to have a fling with him and they went into those bodies to hide there reiatsu

    edit :P just checked bleach wiki (i know its not the most reliable source) but it says only person other than kon and the other puppet ****s that know about him being a shinigami is Ryūken and urahara
    I made a theory a very long time ago about ichigo being related to the royal family in SS, sounds like word for word what i wrote
     
         

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    Re: Ichigo may be the strongest Vizard

    Quote Originally Posted by MS_Evolution View Post
    I made a theory a very long time ago about ichigo being related to the royal family in SS, sounds like word for word what i wrote
    hehe you may not remember it but i only joined this site a couple of months ago. and i made pretty much the same statement about his heritage in one of the "spoiler pics / summary" threads - think it was my second post and you then slapped me down for spamming in the spoiler thread

    so i havent stolen it - but nice to see that my opinions are eco'd by some one else
     
         

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    Re: Ichigo may be the strongest Vizard

    Quote Originally Posted by David Walker View Post
    hehe you may not remember it but i only joined this site a couple of months ago. and i made pretty much the same statement about his heritage in one of the "spoiler pics / summary" threads - think it was my second post and you then slapped me down for spamming in the spoiler thread

    so i havent stolen it - but nice to see that my opinions are eco'd by some one else
    oh wow i slapped you.......nice
     
         

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