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    Re: Hashirama and Tobirama underestimate Minato

    It's not because he wasn't able to defeat the Kurama that he was weak.

    Hashirama had control over it just because of Mokuton.
    Take that away from him, would he be able to defeat Kurama? I honestly don't think so.

    I think you're underestimating Kurama. Yamato also had some sort of control over it, does it also mean that he's stronger than Minato?

    Everyone that has defeated Kurama so far had some sort of special technique to stop it.
    Madara had the EMS and Hashirama had Mokuton.
    Naruto had the help from his mother and the Hachibi to defeat HALF of it.
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama and Tobirama underestimate Minato

    I guys do realise minato himself commended on how advanced the 2nd hokages time space Jutsu when he fought obito.

    I don't think they underestimate him it's just hasihrama and tobirama haven't been discussed by Kishi in this detail before.


    It minato and the 3rd know how boss the senju brothers.


    But minato started the rasengan hasihrama and tobirama wil like that when they see it from him.
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama and Tobirama underestimate Minato

    They will be suprised by Minatos speed and reflexes, and suprised that he has no affinity and only 5-7 jutsu.
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama and Tobirama underestimate Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Penguin2640 View Post
    They will be suprised by Minatos speed and reflexes, and suprised that he has no affinity and only 5-7 jutsu.
    Haha, well I'm sure he does infact have an affinity and more than 7 jutsus
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama and Tobirama underestimate Minato

    They arnt underestimating him, they heard from Orochimaru that Minato was chosen over Orochimaru for the Hokage title.
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama and Tobirama underestimate Minato

    If they trained Hiruzen, and Hiruzen handpicked Minato, I'm sure the 1st and 2nd understand his worth. But then again, when it comes to Hashirama....he is after all Hashirama.
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama and Tobirama underestimate Minato

    There were no point on arugument about Hashirama & Tobirama vs Minato.
    It was not relevant.

    Kishi is writing about the History of Ninja Shinobi Samurai, etc
    He took great effort to explain about;
    - What is Village & County
    - what is ninja & shinobi & samurai.
    - Leaf Village had many Clans...No boundary
    Kishi was using Sasuke = "Change" and Sasuke Decision.
    Kishi did make a surprise of this "Change" and change Sasuke mind - Taking jutsu.
    This is obvious as he is preparing to end somewhat earlier as he planned.

    In Hashimara words - refer to the manga.
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    Re: Hashirama and Tobirama underestimate Minato

    First of all why would they be thinking of him, they never meet him before and in other to be hokage you have to inherit the first hokage will of fire which he clearly does and that makes him a powerful ninja
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama and Tobirama underestimate Minato

    1st of all minato cannot use ftw without a seal as well ..
    And 2nd of all , he is also bound by oro. , so he cannot use ftw couse of oro
    and 3rd of all , minato manged to seal half of the bijuu , so , he is not stronger than it ..
    Tobirama and hash. R both supirior than minato ..
    Even the 3rd is stronger and supirior ...
    He didnt even try to fight the bijuu ...
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama and Tobirama underestimate Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by mase View Post
    1st of all minato cannot use ftw without a seal as well ..
    And 2nd of all , he is also bound by oro. , so he cannot use ftw couse of oro
    and 3rd of all , minato manged to seal half of the bijuu , so , he is not stronger than it ..
    Tobirama and hash. R both supirior than minato ..
    Even the 3rd is stronger and supirior ...
    He didnt even try to fight the bijuu ...
    Was that supposed to be english?
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama and Tobirama underestimate Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Arugon View Post
    Was that supposed to be english?
    He might not be american...
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama and Tobirama underestimate Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Penguin2640 View Post
    He might not be american...
    Yea, but what in the hell is FTW? And all of the conclusions he made were based on nothing and without any supporting evidence or reasoning....
    Like, he didn't try to fight the bijuu? are you serious? lol
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama and Tobirama underestimate Minato

    ++Minato is, Naruto´s father, and apart from naruto being a jinchuuriki, inhereted both, kushina´s massive chakra, and Minato´s let´s say out of the ordinary chakra.

    It´s not about brute force, but how you use it. It is stated simply that way in the manga through minato´s swift, and incredibly effective fighting skills. Need an extra e.g.?
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    Re: Hashirama and Tobirama underestimate Minato

    Minato wasn't a strong hokage but he made that up with speed and intellect. I think they'd be really shocked to see how skillful he is.
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama and Tobirama underestimate Minato

    Well lets look at feats,

    Start with Hashirama.

    He can defeat the Kyuubi no sweat.

    Need we say more on that with regards to Minato lol.

    Tobirama was likely a scientist much like Orochimaru which created original jutsu.

    Hiraishin, Edo Tensei (its possible that this is actually an Uzumaki jutsu rather then an original one), advanced water manipulation.

    Its highly possible that he has more to show. But we can't say for sure if he has faced the Kyuubi so in that sense he does not match his brother.

    Hiruzen? Well we don't have any feats for him really but I would consider living to be elderly to be a feat. Neither first or second Hokage managed this. If not shear strength this denotes that he was smarter then both combined.

    Minato? He killed an army of fodders, big deal.

    One original jutsu the Rasengan much like Kakashi and his Chidori and its derivative, advanced knowledge of seals mostly taught to him by his wife/girlfriend.

    Died facing the Kyuubi after an incredibly short reign even compared to Hashirama's.

    So no I don't think they are underestimating him, they are head and shoulders above him quite simply.

    Do you think Hiruzen was walking into a candy shop where he had his pick of the best when choosing the next Hokage? Tsunade had buggered off, Jiraiya didnt want it, Orochimaru didn't give two shits about anyone but himself and the rest of Konoha was made up of fodders with Minato being the best.

    Kushina would have been a better hokage lol.

    That is not a joke...literally she would have been. With her unique abilities she could have matched some of Hashirama's feats lol.
     
         
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    Re: Hashirama and Tobirama underestimate Minato

    Agreed. Minato was probably underrated by them and has better feats than all the other hokages except hashirama.

    Just look at the facts. All the hokages had their asses sealed by a jutsu the 3rd copied from minato.

    If hiruzen was'nt such an old fart, orochimaru's entire soul would be sealed and he'd have never figured out the unseal jutsu.

    Minato solod the 2 strongest kumo shinobi, Killer bee and raikage A.

    Tobirama almost died against vastly inferior kinkaku and ginkaku.

    And he got killed by 20 bounty hunters, minato roflstomped 50 Iwa shinobi who had impressive doton techs.

    And he single handedly won a shinobi world war.

    The 2nd/3rd hokages can't even come close to those kind of feats. He's the most skillful hokage, and the 2nd in term of being able to beat an opponent one on one. The guy was basically a legend who inspired awe and fear, he was called the savior and the destined child. The 4th raikage A said he thought minato would never be surpassed, i never heard any kage from another village say something like that about Hiruzen or Tobirama. Heck, we even saw the revived 2nd Mizukage and tsuchikage, yet they had nothing to say about Tobirama, only thing we hear is he was laughed at by kin gin. Sorry he can't compete with a legend.
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama and Tobirama underestimate Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by NarutoKage2 View Post
    Agreed. Minato was probably underrated by them and has better feats than all the other hokages except hashirama.

    Just look at the facts. All the hokages had their asses sealed by a jutsu the 3rd copied from minato.

    If hiruzen was'nt such an old fart, orochimaru's entire soul would be sealed and he'd have never figured out the unseal jutsu.

    Minato solod the 2 strongest kumo shinobi, Killer bee and raikage A.

    Tobirama almost died against vastly inferior kinkaku and ginkaku.

    And he got killed by 20 bounty hunters, minato roflstomped 50 Iwa shinobi who had impressive doton techs.

    And he single handedly won a shinobi world war.

    The 2nd/3rd hokages can't even come close to those kind of feats. He's the most skillful hokage, and the 2nd in term of being able to beat an opponent one on one. The guy was basically a legend who inspired awe and fear, he was called the savior and the destined child. The 4th raikage A said he thought minato would never be surpassed, i never heard any kage from another village say something like that about Hiruzen or Tobirama. Heck, we even saw the revived 2nd Mizukage and tsuchikage, yet they had nothing to say about Tobirama, only thing we hear is he was laughed at by kin gin. Sorry he can't compete with a legend.
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    Re: Hashirama and Tobirama underestimate Minato

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    minato is underrated mostly.
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama and Tobirama underestimate Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by NarutoKage2 View Post
    Agreed. Minato was probably underrated by them and has better feats than all the other hokages except hashirama.

    Just look at the facts. All the hokages had their asses sealed by a jutsu the 3rd copied from minato.

    If hiruzen was'nt such an old fart, orochimaru's entire soul would be sealed and he'd have never figured out the unseal jutsu.

    Minato solod the 2 strongest kumo shinobi, Killer bee and raikage A.

    Tobirama almost died against vastly inferior kinkaku and ginkaku.

    And he got killed by 20 bounty hunters, minato roflstomped 50 Iwa shinobi who had impressive doton techs.

    And he single handedly won a shinobi world war.

    The 2nd/3rd hokages can't even come close to those kind of feats. He's the most skillful hokage, and the 2nd in term of being able to beat an opponent one on one. The guy was basically a legend who inspired awe and fear, he was called the savior and the destined child. The 4th raikage A said he thought minato would never be surpassed, i never heard any kage from another village say something like that about Hiruzen or Tobirama. Heck, we even saw the revived 2nd Mizukage and tsuchikage, yet they had nothing to say about Tobirama, only thing we hear is he was laughed at by kin gin. Sorry he can't compete with a legend.
    All of which he did with a derivative of Tobirama's jutsu....
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama and Tobirama underestimate Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by valandil988 View Post
    All of which he did with a derivative of Tobirama's jutsu....
    Oh please...
    Madara was the first to use susano but you dont see anyone calling out Itachi or Sasuke for it..
    now please gtfo
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama and Tobirama underestimate Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Arugon View Post
    Oh please...
    Madara was the first to use susano but you dont see anyone calling out Itachi or Sasuke for it..
    now please gtfo
    Not the same thing, inherited bloodline does not equal reverse engineering a jutsu for yourself. I'm not saying Minato wasn't one smart guy to actually do that but he is retracing the steps of the second. I mean at least he has an original jutsu, I have the same tiff with naruto lol.

    Also Minato faced the Hachibi which has been shown to have distinct qualities to its chakra. So that does not mean he could say defeat Naruto at 6 or 7 tails if Pain could barely do it....well Minato has no chance just like the second wouldn't have a chance.

    Also depends what version of kinkaku and ginkaku, if they have kyuubi cloak or not, sages tools or not. And the second survived...

    Minato did not invent the dead daemon consuming seal, that he got from Kushina, its an Uzumaki jutsu as shown by Orochimaru when he cuts open the death god. The third did not copy it from him. He got it from Kushina through Minato.

    Again you all reference the fodder Iwa ninja, all of which were going up against an unknown jutsu. Tobirama went up against the kinkaku and ginkaku squad an elite of kumo and they KNEW his jutsu and capabilities. Not a bunch of Chunin and Jonin from Iwa with non descriptive prowess with no knowledge of minato's powers. Its not like he faced Onoki personally alongside the army...
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama and Tobirama underestimate Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatPredictor View Post
    well, hashi was able to fight kurama AND madara uchiha at once. minato died fighting kurama and he needed help from his wife. I think that with that knowledge, it would be understandable if he is underestimated at this point.
    fighting under pressure isn't easy, hashi never fought madara and kurama under pressure.. Imagine Minato situation, protecting his family, the village and fighting tobi at the same time plus kurama is incomparable.. He also died intentionally cos he can survived if he truly want to but he did everything to save the future of the village and his son..
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama and Tobirama underestimate Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by valandil988 View Post
    Well lets look at feats,

    Start with Hashirama.

    He can defeat the Kyuubi no sweat.

    Need we say more on that with regards to Minato lol.

    Tobirama was likely a scientist much like Orochimaru which created original jutsu.

    Hiraishin, Edo Tensei (its possible that this is actually an Uzumaki jutsu rather then an original one), advanced water manipulation.

    Its highly possible that he has more to show. But we can't say for sure if he has faced the Kyuubi so in that sense he does not match his brother.

    Hiruzen? Well we don't have any feats for him really but I would consider living to be elderly to be a feat. Neither first or second Hokage managed this. If not shear strength this denotes that he was smarter then both combined.

    Minato? He killed an army of fodders, big deal.

    One original jutsu the Rasengan much like Kakashi and his Chidori and its derivative, advanced knowledge of seals mostly taught to him by his wife/girlfriend.

    Died facing the Kyuubi after an incredibly short reign even compared to Hashirama's.

    So no I don't think they are underestimating him, they are head and shoulders above him quite simply.

    Do you think Hiruzen was walking into a candy shop where he had his pick of the best when choosing the next Hokage? Tsunade had buggered off, Jiraiya didnt want it, Orochimaru didn't give two shits about anyone but himself and the rest of Konoha was made up of fodders with Minato being the best.

    Kushina would have been a better hokage lol.

    That is not a joke...literally she would have been. With her unique abilities she could have matched some of Hashirama's feats lol.
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    Having chakra and sealing skills don´t turn Kushina into a lethal weapon. Probably u didn´t notice, but as good as her clan could´ve been in sealing jutsu, it was ENTIRELY WIPED OUT. sO,

    that tells us a bit of how effective those skills are in actual combat. When Minato is quick as a bullet, cool fast thinker (as naruto is), and practical tactical use of his knowledge (that meANS HE KNOWs HOW TO USE WHAT HE KNOWS: ORO- he knows most of the jutsus in the manga and has taken crap lots of times, yes, being defeated.
    I am an Oro fan so I know his weaknesses)
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama and Tobirama underestimate Minato

    I think they know he's no push over if he became the 4th Hokage..smh
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama and Tobirama underestimate Minato

    dude i thought hiraishin no jutsu was FTG?
     
         

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