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    isshin losing his powers

    i think that isshin gave up his powers to save masaki's life.. any thoughts? urahara said "the choices you have to make" so i bet it's something like that. or maybe they melded their powers together to heal her, shinigami and quincy working together which was unheard of at the time.
     
         

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    Re: isshin losing his powers

    Quote Originally Posted by kaddie9 View Post
    i think that isshin gave up his powers to save masaki's life.. any thoughts? urahara said "the choices you have to make" so i bet it's something like that. or maybe they melded their powers together to heal her, shinigami and quincy working together which was unheard of at the time.
    But he still has his shinigami powers -__-
     
         

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    Re: isshin losing his powers

    He didn't though, because he fought against Aizen as a shinigami...

     
         

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    Re: isshin losing his powers

    Quote Originally Posted by Sephy100 View Post
    But he still has his shinigami powers -__-
    To be fair, Ichigo was to supposedly never again be a shinigami after using his final Getsuga Tenshō (no longer true).

    Perhaps sacrificing his powers was merely a temporary occurrence? He had Urahara around so anything is possible.
    • or… maybe the loss of his powers was only until Masaki died, only time will tell though
     
         

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    Re: isshin losing his powers

    aizen is just a big bully with a magnifying glass lol
     
         

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    Re: isshin losing his powers

    only until masaki died seems plausible. it's weird lol
     
         

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    Re: isshin losing his powers

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    aizen is just a big bully with a magnifying glass lol
    i know lol
     
         

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    Re: isshin losing his powers

    Quote Originally Posted by Takure View Post
    He didn't though, because he fought against Aizen as a shinigami...
    yeah he lost his shinigami powers earlier on in the manga (was not stated how) but started to regain them which urahara then made the remark "they seem to be coming back" or something like that.
     
         

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    Re: isshin losing his powers

    but how on earth did isshin obtained a human form in the first place if he's Shinigami ?!
     
         

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    Re: isshin losing his powers

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim View Post
    but how on earth did isshin obtained a human form in the first place if he's Shinigami ?!
    prolly a mod soul or a gigai
     
         

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    Re: isshin losing his powers

    I came up with a theory, im not going to go into detail and post another long winded one.

    But in short term my theory basically says Shinigami cannot permanently lose their powers, only Quincy's will.
     
         

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    Re: isshin losing his powers

    Quote Originally Posted by adventnova View Post
    I came up with a theory, im not going to go into detail and post another long winded one.

    But in short term my theory basically says Shinigami cannot permanently lose their powers, only Quincy's will.
    sounds interesting seeing as how isshin regained his powers naturally after a while so it's probably right.
     
         

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    Re: isshin losing his powers

    I guess he also might have used final getsuga tensho
     
         

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    Re: isshin losing his powers

    Quote Originally Posted by swagatsshovan View Post
    I guess he also might have used final getsuga tensho
    yup something to do with that idk
     
         

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    Re: isshin losing his powers

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    But he still has his shinigami powers -__-
    Quote Originally Posted by Takure View Post
    He didn't though, because he fought against Aizen as a shinigami...


    That's after Isshin regained his Shinigami powers.

    He lost them for almost 20 years. He gained them back prior to when the Arrancar Grand Fisher attacked Kon.
     
         

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    Re: isshin losing his powers

    omg i knew he gave up his powers to save her life!!
     
         

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    Re: isshin losing his powers

    from what we know now, and what Urahara said. Isshin is Masaki's complete opposite. so they what exactly happened is that Isshin became a Positive because Masaki became a Negative, so when they joined their fates together it nullified/cancelled out all their powers so Masaki could live a normal but human life. That is how Isshin lost his powers. But because Masaki died (still under speculation that she did or didn't) it released him of his bonds and let him regain his powers back as there was no opposite to cancel out his powers.

    Its like Math,
    -1 + 1 = 0 Shinigami + Quincy = Cancel
    or
    1 + -1 = 0 Human + Hollow = Cancel


    As for Ichigo being told he'd lose his powers by Young Hollow Zangetsu to the FGT, thats because of his unknown unmastered Quincy Powers. Look back at Uryuu, he was supposed to lose his Quincy powers permanently but didnt because the powers he lost were from a Quincy Combat Glove that amplifies powers and absorbs extra power from the surrounding area. He only lost the amplified power and some of his own. Ichigo on the other hand being of all 4 main souls is tied into an endless loop of power which essentially makes him a soul god, the powers do not cancel each other out like they do for Isshin and Masaki as they are 2 separate beings and Ichigo is one complete being. All Ichigos powers benefit him and each other.
     
         

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    Nice theory , I like it :D
     
         

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    Re: isshin losing his powers

    Quote Originally Posted by adventnova View Post
    from what we know now, and what Urahara said. Isshin is Masaki's complete opposite. so they what exactly happened is that Isshin became a Positive because Masaki became a Negative, so when they joined their fates together it nullified/cancelled out all their powers so Masaki could live a normal but human life. That is how Isshin lost his powers. But because Masaki died (still under speculation that she did or didn't) it released him of his bonds and let him regain his powers back as there was no opposite to cancel out his powers.

    Its like Math,
    -1 + 1 = 0 Shinigami + Quincy = Cancel
    or
    1 + -1 = 0 Human + Hollow = Cancel


    As for Ichigo being told he'd lose his powers by Young Hollow Zangetsu to the FGT, thats because of his unknown unmastered Quincy Powers. Look back at Uryuu, he was supposed to lose his Quincy powers permanently but didnt because the powers he lost were from a Quincy Combat Glove that amplifies powers and absorbs extra power from the surrounding area. He only lost the amplified power and some of his own. Ichigo on the other hand being of all 4 main souls is tied into an endless loop of power which essentially makes him a soul god, the powers do not cancel each other out like they do for Isshin and Masaki as they are 2 separate beings and Ichigo is one complete being. All Ichigos powers benefit him and each other.
    you lost me there
     
         

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    Re: isshin losing his powers

    Quote Originally Posted by Horidora Chan View Post
    you lost me there
    meh it happens lol. I have a chaotic mind, and it never seems to agree with itself or me trying to translate it out in the open.


    which part did you get lost on, i can try to simplify it if you want?
     
         

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    Re: isshin losing his powers

    Quote Originally Posted by adventnova View Post
    meh it happens lol. I have a chaotic mind, and it never seems to agree with itself or me trying to translate it out in the open.


    which part did you get lost on, i can try to simplify it if you want?
    I got it and that's actually a pretty good theory but what would happen if Ichigo performed FGT then performed the Quincy thing that makes you lose your powers
     
         

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    Re: isshin losing his powers

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuzma View Post
    I got it and that's actually a pretty good theory but what would happen if Ichigo performed FGT then performed the Quincy thing that makes you lose your powers
    with my theory, he wont lose his powers at all because each of his souls feeds and powers the other. You cant have one with the other souls because they are all one. That's what i believe and how i came up with the theory. He has all the benefits of the souls and none of the side effects per say.
     
         

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