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    Madara not only/first Uchiha with senju dna

    Sorry if some of you realize this is my second thread tonight but I wanted to go ahead and get this out the way before I forget.

    While working on my last thread about Izanagi and Rinne Tensei I remembered something I never thought about before but:

    Izanagi: needs BOTH senju and uchiha dna to perform. Manga proof?





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    Now, the reason I say Madara wasn't anywhere near the only Uchiha to have senju dna is because of Itachi. Well Itachi's words, here:





    This was Itachi's explanation of why Izanami was created. Remember it was created to stop a bunch of Uchiha from using Izanagi too much. But the only way all these Uchiha would've been able to use it is if they had senju dna, because the manga says that Izanagi can only be used when you have both in order to use it. I never put this together before until now. This proves Madara wasn't anywhere near the only Uchiha who acquired senju dna.

    In fact, Madara probably wasn't even the first, because he acquired Hashi's cells AFTER the village was founded. And when the village was founded, the senju, uchiha and other clans were at peace, meaning the Uchiha weren't out fighting constantly anymore. So it's not likely that they were engaged in important fights where they couldn't fail at this point, meaning the need to use Izanagi wasn't there. The only time we know of that the Uchiha were always fighting was before the founding of the village, so this implies that there were Uchiha with senju dna before Madara even had it.

    Either way, it's pretty much a fact that you need Senju+Uchiha dna to use Izanagi, and Itachi said there multiple Uchiha with that ability, meaning there had to be multiple uchiha that acquired senju dna.

    You don't have to agree, hell I don't completely buy it myself, but I have provided two very clear manga examples so it's kind of hard not to believe from a logical standpoint
     
         
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    Re: Madara not only/first Uchiha with senju dna

    It seems to be true, but it's certainly strange that other Uchiha were able to use this technique. Makes you wonder how they went about getting the DNA, enough for multiple Uchihas used the technique and then Izanami was created to prevent Izanagi spammers.
     
         

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    Re: Madara not only/first Uchiha with senju dna

    Wow!Nice find
     
         

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    Re: Madara not only/first Uchiha with senju dna

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurokami View Post
    It seems to be true, but it's certainly strange that other Uchiha were able to use this technique. Makes you wonder how they went about getting the DNA, enough for multiple Uchihas used the technique and then Izanami was created to prevent Izanagi spammers.
    Well I do have a small theory on this as well. It could have something to do with the way the senju just sort of vanished. Maybe IF they Uchiha did aquire the senju dna after madara did, they could've used the fact that the senju and uchiha were under a new alliance with the founding of leaf to strike them when their guards were down. If multiple Uchiha had to kill multiple Senju in order to get the dna, it makes perfect sense that the senju just suddenly disappeared without a trace
     
         

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    Re: Madara not only/first Uchiha with senju dna

    Quote Originally Posted by pandu View Post
    Wow!Nice find
    Thanks much appreciated!
     
         

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    Re: Madara not only/first Uchiha with senju dna

    That's a nice find. The Uchihas may have read parts of the tablet and it may have they must obtain Senjus' blood to extend and fully utilize their abilities. Cause I doubt Madara was the first to use Senju DNA.

    The reason why I think Madara was able to awaken Rinnegan is because he obtain cells from the Senju with the strongest trait.
     
         

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    Re: Madara not only/first Uchiha with senju dna

    Quote Originally Posted by troyg39 View Post
    Well I do have a small theory on this as well. It could have something to do with the way the senju just sort of vanished. Maybe IF they Uchiha did aquire the senju dna after madara did, they could've used the fact that the senju and uchiha were under a new alliance with the founding of leaf to strike them when their guards were down. If multiple Uchiha had to kill multiple Senju in order to get the dna, it makes perfect sense that the senju just suddenly disappeared without a trace
    Hashirama or Tobirama wouldn't let that happen though, the killing of Senju for their DNA? Seems a little sketchy.
     
         

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    Re: Madara not only/first Uchiha with senju dna

    Yeah makes sense because Izanami was created to counter Izanagi. Nice job dude!
     
         
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    Re: Madara not only/first Uchiha with senju dna

    Quote Originally Posted by BlastIt View Post
    That's a nice find. The Uchihas may have read parts of the tablet and it may have they must obtain Senjus' blood to extend and fully utilize their abilities. Cause I doubt Madara was the first to use Senju DNA.

    The reason why I think Madara was able to awaken Rinnegan is because he obtain cells from the Senju with the strongest trait.
    I agree, I think Hashirama is a senju who has dna closest to the younger son's. His was more pure which is why he was the only one with Mokuton. Also I always figured it had to be more Uchiha than just Madara who read the tablet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurokami View Post
    Hashirama or Tobirama wouldn't let that happen though, the killing of Senju for their DNA? Seems a little sketchy.
    Yea I know it does sound weird right but then again that's why Madara battled Hashi and either way you clearly need senju dna to peform Izanagi so where else could they have gotten it from?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Slayer View Post
    Yeah makes since because Izanami was created to counter Izanagi. Nice job dude!
    Thanks!
     
         

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    Re: Madara not only/first Uchiha with senju dna

    I thought this was obvious, I mean Uchiha have been fighting the Senju since way before Madara was born.
     
         

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    Re: Madara not only/first Uchiha with senju dna

    Quote Originally Posted by Ariow View Post
    I thought this was obvious, I mean Uchiha have been fighting the Senju since way before Madara was born.
    True but the storyline has always made it seem like Madara was the only one to think to acquire their dna. Nothing besides the two pages I provided put together even remotely suggested that other uchiha might have had senju dna too
     
         

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    Re: Madara not only/first Uchiha with senju dna

    yup you got it right

    /thread
     
         

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    Re: Madara not only/first Uchiha with senju dna

    Uchiha need rehab always snortin up a line of senju dust
     
         

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    Re: Madara not only/first Uchiha with senju dna

    Great Find....
     
         

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