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    The fundamental difference between Obito/Kakashi and Tobirama + Minato

    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/628/9 obi does not need seals or markings to use his teleporting.
    however http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/627/18 tobirama and http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/502/10
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    thats the difference in level the hokages cant overcome. minato outright stated obito's is more advanced than his own. furthermore, minato and tobi can just instantly move from one place to another place. obito can make himself truly untouchable and attack opponents while they are busy weaving seals.
    while its true that space time ninjutsu is probably the most useful force in a fight, and minato is probaly the most limited of the 4, theres a clear level of difference between the first and the others. as it is, only someone else with space time could possibly oppose the two kamui users without prior intel at the least. as minato proved and pretty much stated (when he believed obi could become a greater danger than the fox and only someone with a special set of skills can take him on).
     
         

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    Re: The fundamental difference between Obito/Kakashi and Tobirama + Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by USSJ Future Trunks View Post
    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/628/9 obi does not need seals or markings to use his teleporting.
    however http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/627/18 tobirama and http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/502/10
    minato do.

    thats the difference in level the hokages cant overcome. minato outright stated obito's is more advanced than his own. furthermore, minato and tobi can just instantly move from one place to another place. obito can make himself truly untouchable and attack opponents while they are busy weaving seals.
    while its true that space time ninjutsu is probably the most useful force in a fight, and minato is probaly the most limited of the 4, theres a clear level of difference between the first and the others. as it is, only someone else with space time could possibly oppose the two kamui users without prior intel at the least. as minato proved and pretty much stated (when he believed obi could become a greater danger than the fox and only someone with a special set of skills can take him on).


    And that is exactly where FTGV2 comes in or have you already forgotten ? lol
    Minato could also form the resengan while in motion with hand as he thrust his arm forward in just one swift motion.
    He can also move instantly from danger and strike while the enemy is still forming seals actually before they even get a chance too.
     
         

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    Re: The fundamental difference between Obito/Kakashi and Tobirama + Minato

    The beautiful thing about it all, is that Minato already developed a counter to Obito's teleportation/intangibility. While Obito has not done the same for Minato, on the other hand.
     
         

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    Re: The fundamental difference between Obito/Kakashi and Tobirama + Minato

    u r right pretty much that's why minato needs so many ftg kunai.
    but if obito plays defensive they can't take him
     
         

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    Re: The fundamental difference between Obito/Kakashi and Tobirama + Minato

    Of course Minato and Tobirama stands a chance against kamui users.
     
         

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    Re: The fundamental difference between Obito/Kakashi and Tobirama + Minato

    The beautiful thing about it all, is that Minato already developed a counter to Obito's teleportation/intangibility
    all he knows is how to hit obito when he becomes tangible close up. if obito decides to not rush the fight minato can be outlasted. and minato needs prep. obito does not
     
         

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    Re: The fundamental difference between Obito/Kakashi and Tobirama + Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by USSJ Future Trunks View Post
    thats the difference in level the hokages cant overcome. minato outright stated obito's is more advanced than his own. furthermore, minato and tobi can just instantly move from one place to another place. obito can make himself truly untouchable and attack opponents while they are busy weaving seals.
    while its true that space time ninjutsu is probably the most useful force in a fight, and minato is probaly the most limited of the 4, theres a clear level of difference between the first and the others. as it is, only someone else with space time could possibly oppose the two kamui users without prior intel at the least. as minato proved and pretty much stated (when he believed obi could become a greater danger than the fox and only someone with a special set of skills can take him on).
    I agreed with you up until this point. It sounded like started to get fanboyish and your judgement was clouded. I don't know if you meant to bolded part as the two hokages can't get over Kamui, or if you were saying their S/T can't compare in terms of advancement, but if you meant it as the former, you are grossly mistaken. Yes it's canon that Obito/Kakashi have a more advanced S/T technique than both Minato and Tobirama. Minato said so himself. But that does not mean they have the more useful jutsu in battle.

    What makes Kamui advanced is that it allows the user to warp in and out of the other dimension at will. Also Obito can warp portions of his body. That is something FTG can't do. Which is why it's more advanced.

    But it's not as effective in battle against FTG. Which is canon. Because we saw FTG beat Kamui. The thing that makes FTG superior in battle is the fact that while the user can't warp to the other dimension, it allows the user to move at instantaneous speed, a speed that was proven to be faster than Kamui himself.

    You are right in saying against normal opponents Obito can go intangible and attack opponents off guard, but that's against normal opponents. Obito has to wait 5 seconds before he can go intangible again, which FTG was shown to be the perfect counter for this since it's instantaneous speed makes it perfect to attack within that 5 second window. And we also know that it doesn't take long at all to create the hand seals required for FTG.

    You were fine when you were just simply stating advancement of the two jutsus. But I think you went a little too far when you started to bring up battle implementation. In terms of pure functionality, Kamui>FTG because Kamui does what FTG can do and also it adds the ability to stay in the other dimension. But in terms of battle implementation, FTG takes the cake because speed makes it much harder to avoid than Kamui
     
         

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    Re: The fundamental difference between Obito/Kakashi and Tobirama + Minato

    But in terms of battle implementation, FTG takes the cake because speed makes it much harder to avoid than Kamui
    kamui warp is as unavoidable as FTG blitz though. only minato out of everyone has escaped once obitos touched them

    But it's not as effective in battle against FTG. Which is canon. Because we saw FTG beat Kamui.
    all it proved is it was faster. obito still stood up and was like "yeah no". if obito had intel on FTG level 2 do you think he would let that kunai pass through him?
    Obito has to wait 5 seconds before he can go intangible again,
    since when? theres never been any interval between warping and going back to slipping through shit.
     
         

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    Re: The fundamental difference between Obito/Kakashi and Tobirama + Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by USSJ Future Trunks View Post
    kamui warp is as unavoidable as FTG blitz though. only minato out of everyone has escaped once obitos touched them
    No it's not. Kamui isn't as fast as FTG. Therefore it's more avoidable. If I come at you with FTG, you have less time to react than if I come at you with a Kamui warp. Not saying Kamui warp isn't fast, but it's not as fast as FTG. Fact

    all it proved is it was faster. obito still stood up and was like "yeah no". if obito had intel on FTG level 2 do you think he would let that kunai pass through him?
    It's not the kunai that was the problem, it was him being so close to a FTG seal. Which we know Minato can place that seal on any surface, as he even put on the eight tails tentacle. Also, if Obito hadn't have gone intangible at that moment, then the kunai would've hit him, so it's a question of whether he would've let it go by him , but did he have a choice? And since he and Minato were coming at one another in opposite directions, if Minato were to place another seal on the ground before he came at Obito, that means that momentum would've carried Obito past Minato and the kunai and right into the hidden seal, which still would've placed him in position to get hit even without the kunai. No matter how you put it, we know that FTG v1 is too fast for him to warp Obito, and we know that FTG v2 is too fast for kamui to go intangible

    since when? theres never been any interval between warping and going back to slipping through shit.
    Sorry I was thinking of ST that Nagato can do on this one. But the fact still remains that as far as battle implementation is concerned, FTG is more valuable than Kamui. The fact is you can attack more enemies in less time with FTG than Kamui. Which makes it more efficient. I don't really see how you can argue that
     
         

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