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    1. Might sound stupid, but after every 2 ranks, or something like that, a sensei and a sensei could have a skype session? I think the main reason some people don't want to ask questions is because it'll slow down their training
    2. It sounds good, Im 100% behind it
    3. Another good one, Id get behind this. As soon as that guy Xylon approves my customs >.<
     
         

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    1) Why don't Sensei's just keep on passing down Sempai-ship? Like for example someone who can strictly teach the Basic 5 can eventually teach something else and a student that they have taught can eventually become their Sempai... Kind of like a heritage system.

    2) Great idea. As I wouldn't want people to have a Goku bio.

    3) Doesn't attain to me as CJ's don't really appeal to me yet.
     
         

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    Finally made it to my laptop to actually type this up. I started on the phone, but it's a pain in the ass on there. >_>' I apologize for the wallie ahead of time.

    1. A type of Ninja Academy would be ideal here, if Inch's idea is to work, but before I speak on that as a whole, let me bring up a smaller, similar suggestion I had. I recently suggest a suggestion similar to this in the sensei group, though it's a bit more radical than this. My idea was to have each Sensei who specialize in certain fields (as when we apply for the position, it tells us to list things we specialize in) to teach the fields they specialize in. I, for example, specialize in Water, Earth, and Lightning Releases, and the subfields of Taijutsu and NB Taijutsu. I know how to use each of the five elemental releases effectively, though I am very proficient with the three aforementioned elements. I'm more comfortable teaching these over Wind and Fire, though I admit I am learning more about both these releases everyday. There are some sensei who have a greater understanding of certain elements than other sensei, this is well known amongst rp members as when issues over the usage of certain elements and jutsus are used, most times those specialized sensei are the ones contacted for their input on this. My suggestion was to have Sensei who specialize in certain elements teach only those fields. Now before you go ape shit over this, think about it.

    Let's say we have 10 Sensei, each taking on 10 new students, 2 in each element. That's all fine and dandy, but every Sensei has different teaching methods and though we each should have a mastery of the basic five elements, we can't pretend like we don't have a preferred element to teach as we may know more about that element or are just simply better at using/explaining the element. Those 10 Sensei, instead of having 10 multi-elemental students, would take on 10 of a certain element, or 5 of one element, and 5 of the next element. With the first method I said, it would be, in total, 10 fire students, 10 water, 10 earth etc etc. With the new method, it would be 10 fire students, 10 water, 10 earth, etc etc. So what ultimately changes? By having sensei who specialize in the elements be the main teachers of it, so to speak, we'd ensure that most new members learning are able to learn each element from those who fully understand it and can give detailed opinions on jutsus, and techniques and just general information that they might not have learned from another Sensei who specialized in an opposite element. It doesn't change much, though I will not lie, I'd be hella more interested in teaching an element I like than one I have to teach due to my Sensei title. Like when Naruto discovered his elemental affinity and went to Asuma for further help in developing it, or Sasuke learned from Kakashi on how to better use his lightning abilities.

    Now, I'm getting closer to addressing Inch's idea, but first, as I said earlier, a form of Ninja Academy is needed. This could be in the form of a revamping of the teaching system that Inch suggested, or even like the NB Battle Academy thread that Scary Yamato made for newer members that for some reason was deleted or moved to the hidden sections ( ===> http://narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58708). If I remember right, he had sections for a lot of the basics, including movement, ninja tools, explaining Rei's Rules and Restrictions, and more. If even this thread was bought back and actually used, a lot of problems could be fixed regarding training and the RP in general. His next post was due to be on the Time-frame, and quite frankly, that shit is long overdue. I can't tell you how many fights I've had to check in the NW for timeframe issues and other shit that could be overlooked, but that's neither here nor there. The point being, that an Academy, or really, a thread detailing certain things in depth will help A LOT. A post about timeframe, taijutsu in general, the different elemental releases (though these don't have to be covered in depth as that's the point of having Sensei anyway lol), Elemental KG, and other things that every ninja should know that isn't really covered in elemental training could be included. Going over this thread and the posts that may be related to whatever training is in session could be a great start to training and once training is over, can work as a great refresher for people.

    Now, in regards to Inch's idea, if this is to work, in any form or shape, it will first require patience from the students. Students change their teachers very frequently here, in a rush to get the basics mastered. If you aren't replying fast enough, bam, you're replaced. You are gone for a few days or week, bam, you get replaced. You end up going to a rock concert and get so shitfaced, you're near comatose for a few days and can't reply due to pain from kidney poisoning, bam, you're replaced. Well, maybe not in the case of the last one, but you get the point. If Naruto and the rest of Team 7 changed Senseis because Kakashi was always late and things, well, the series would not progress the way it is now. There'd be no Sasuke and Naruto rivalry as they likely wouldn't be around one another enough to push the other to victory. Students are anxious to fight, which I understand fully. But they should stick with one teacher the entire process of learning an element as many senseis/sempais have different methods to teaching. You don't want to have a ninja with 4 different methods of training in one element, leading to a sometimes counterproductive learning of the element.

    Now, let's assume that my Ninja Academy idea is evolved from a thread to a reworking of the training grounds, in conjunction with Inch's idea (as that is the only way I could see it working, having an actual academy to teach in). I'll use a default ninja name here to show how he and his 'class' would go through the academy and subsequent things.

    Naruto and the rest of the Konoha 11 enter in the Academy at Genin rank (obviously it happened the other way around in the manga/anime but due to the post count shit, we can't really do much unless it is ultimately changed). They begin their ninjutsu training, learning them and basic Taijutsu of up to C rank while being in the Academy. They also learn the fundamentals behind roleplaying, such as the dreaded timeframe discussion, freeform taijutsu, weaponry usage, etc etc. Upon reaching chuunin rank and learning Taijutsu and Ninjutsu, they take a small test (generic test really, asking what is taijutsu, how to use certain ninja tools, blah blah blah and the chakra paper test included) to better assess what their elemental affinities are because at this point, Chuunin have two. Then, we have to 'graduate' from the Academy and move on to being eligible to join in the NW roleplay and starting elemental ninjutsu training in a newer...school, so to speak, under their elemental Sensei. I say we make this, starting in taijutsu and ninjutsu training a prerequisite for learning elements, because learning the elements and then receiving taijutsu and ninjutsu training is very backwards. You're supposed to learn basic ninjutsu before elemental ninjutsu. It's like riding a Harley before you get on a bicycle with training wheels. Very backwards, eh?

    Upon 'graduating', the students are assigned a Sensei, whom they stay with until their elemental training is done. Now this is where it gets iffy, because of timezones differences, real life issues, and general relationships between the teacher and students. Some students may not be readily able to give replies within the time that the teachers want and vise versa. My solution? Have Sensei's and Sempai's teach jointly, instead of just allowing them to take on their own students. They could still do so, yes, but say the Sensei isn't able to make daily replies or quick replies every few days. The sempai could drop in, point out whatever flaws may or may not be present, and advance the training a few posts until the sensei is able to reply again. This will ultimately lead to a closer relationship between the student, sempai, and sensei. This way, each sensei could still have their specialized method of training while simulatenously allowing some basic structure to the training system. Going back to my original idea (first and second paragraph), once the Konoha 11 (12 counting Sasuke) students 'graduate' or are allowed the chance to learn elemental releases, the ones with elemental releases are grouped together in a thread. Let's just say there are 5 sensei's who specialize in fire. These six senseis would then divide the list of 12, each taking an even number on, in this case 2 apiece. They would teach those 2 students the elemental releases in their own methods and once finished with what they can learn at their rank, they undertake a small test (battle test or whatever last task the sensei wants them to complete) in which the sensei deems that the students have actually learned things instead of just replying to gain each element. This would essentially make it so that students who aren't demonstrating that they are learning and are just replying to jutsus are held back until they show they understand what they are learning and show actual knowledge in the field. Once the test is completed, the students are basically cycled on to the next Sensei who specialize in their secondary element and so on and so forth until mastery of the five is completed.

    For this to work as smoothly as possible, I URGE moderators to consider abolishing the post count promotion system as it just leads to unnecessary spamming. The students would be promoted through training, learning one element completely before starting on another. Through this, students would likely master an element faster, Sensei's would have less threads to manage, and overall, a sense of actual roleplaying might arise.

    I think I might have rambled on and lost track of my main goal with this post and might have even contradicted myself a few times here and even might have suggested some very idiotic goals, but if you tl;dr anything from this let it be this: We need a Ninja Academy or at the very least, a thread to fully explain some of the things that cause many problems due to poor understanding and knowledge. Bring back SY's Battle Academy thread. O__O My post is sketchy here and there after re-reading it but my main issues with the RP lie within the NW and battling in general lol
     
         
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    1. I actually had an idea regarding this, it would be beneficial to perhaps revamp the shishou system to allow certain remarkable people to train anything, be it a KG an element or even something like rain or sound, right down to ninjutsu or taijutsu, but they would only be able to be a shishou in one thing, but the idea would be able to make a lot of people a shishou in certain things, cutting down on the workload for sensei and sempai and giving these shishou the ability to practice training styles.

    2. I believe your idea is spot on, a lot of people don't just pick a random character to RP as, they want a character they can feel at home with, for some of us like myself that is a canon bio, a restricted one that we go to great lengths to call our own, but with some it's a custom one that has been taken by an inactive oldie, and no amount of testing in the world can get them the bio they want.....Is that fair?

    3. This is the one i found the most interesting to be honest, and let me offer my full support on this by suggesting that i will speak with Xylon regarding this and create the first one with a twist, it will be a Dragon slayer tournament, and the winner of said tournament will gain permission to become a part of the dragon slayer group, given permission to post DS customs in a free element of there choosing.
     
         

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    Applications for sensei should stop being declined for lack of experience as a sempai.
     
         

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    Another great suggestion, let me and demon fang be shishou's goddamit, and we will implement all of these training ideas
     
         

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    Alright, I believe I've waited long enough for everyone with concerns who wanted to post on them to do so, so let's begin.

    Quote Originally Posted by Adachi View Post
    I opened the other thread just for you. >_>

    Nonetheless, I actually really do like your idea! Something like "online classes", much like how I signed up to learn to program for the Unity Engine.

    How about creating a section just for such a thing? A sensei can open a thread regarding one element, for example, he chooses to take five students for teaching Water, and then they all move over to a thread where he teaches them basics of the water, and then have them "graduate" through a battle, in which they can then claim mastery over water? It'll be much like the final exam for any class.

    The only issues I have with this are timing, organization, and implementation. If a student goes inactive or takes too long to post, then such a problem needs to be addressed somehow. We have a decent start here, but let's all talk and take it further. I'll quote you in the first post.
    That's an interesting idea. So, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're suggesting that we do something like this?

    The sensei would post whatever he thought was necessary for students to understand the jutsu in the element, and would provide students oppurtunies to ask questions regarding the technique. Obviously, quite a bit of text should go into this on the sensei's part. The questions could be answered by the sensei and his/her sempai. Once the lesson is concluded, a test would be given to the students in which they answer questions about the element and how the jutsu work, and if they pass, they gain mastery over the element. The sensei and sempai would be the ones grading the jutsu. Obviously, a certain time restraint would be placed on this to prevent cheating and the like.

    If so, I find this to be an interesting idea, though it would require a lot of regulation. If it weren't for that, it would be a very interesting way to do things indeed, but to me, it seems like it may require a bit too much work.

    As for rules regarding inactivity, I suggest having it go something like this:
    Let's say the sensei makes a post a day. (I'd like to note that the sensei should be allowed to explain more than one jutsu at a time.) If the student doesn't respond, the class goes on without him. It's up to the student to catch up by responding to each post the sensei makes. If he fails to do so within a week, all of his training is dropped. Of course, a student is able to talk with a sensei about organizing something should IRL issues come up to allow him to make things work, but this would need to be handled on a case by case scenario
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasto Lordé View Post
    1) The training system is fine as it is, the issue is not in the system, it's in the people in that system. Classes will never work, people become inactive, people start copy pasting each other's work with small rewording, hell if someone disagrees with another person that he's training with, then that thread will turn into spam. I'm 100% AGAINST the idea of revamping the training system. As long as the issue resides in the laziness of some sensei's and the limited "do this and that" techniques, it will also follow in the classes and the same problem will show up again, Sensei's became sensei's knowing what they're getting into, I believe the classes method is a very bad idea for the students, we've all been in classes, there will always be that one who doesn't give a damn, and argues with everyone, ass kissers, to people who criticize how others perform the technique. And the inactivity issue, so how long does someone have to be inactive for the rest to continue their training, I refuse to have some member halt my training just cause he's too lazy to reply to the thread, or having a drama issue and wants to leave NB. If this is to be implemented then there should be a maximum of 48 hours for everyone to reply to the thread, whoever doesn't reply gets kicked out.... take it as the absence method in classes and in Colleges/Universities.
    Regarding your concerns about lazy people:
    For sensei, that's simply due to the sheer amount of people who they have to explain the exact same thing to. Take Adachi, for example. Let's say he's currently training ten people in ninjutsu. Rather than explaining things ten different times, this would enable him to explain things just once. This would take SOO much monotiny out of replying to threads for sensei, I feel. Now, this is where sempai come in. According to how large the class is, a sensei could have multiple sempai. They would be acting as a sempai actually should. Rather than just going off and training students in certain subjects as a sort of pseudo-sensei as they do now, they would answer questions, grade responses, and do a lot of work within the class so that the sensei doesn't have to spend too much time on it. Because there are more sempai according to how many people are within a class, sempai would not be overworked either.

    Regarding your concerns about students cheating:
    Because this is a public setting, this would be pretty difficult to do. If people start copy pasting with slight rewording, I think you'd be surprised at how quickly another student would catch on to it. Bear in mind that spam in these threads would have a zero tolerance policy, so students critizing eachother would be a non-issue. With concerns about student inactivity, check with what I responded to Adachi when he raised the same concern.


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    I won't make this long since I don't have much to say.

    1. I'm personally against this idea. The idea of Sensei/Senpai imo is meant to be more of a personal experience, and using likeminded people to get what you want, not sitting in a classroom. When Naruto found out his elemental affinity was Wind he first went to Asuma about it who also specialized in Wind in order to learn more about it, and maybe it should be more like that. If Sensei X has no interest in teaching Earth, then he's going to find it boring and more tedious than if he were teaching say, Water which he finds interesting. Not to mention there's people like myself who don't reply to training after over two months, and they still want me. Bless you sensei-kun~.
    Regarding the personal relationship:
    Ideally, yeah, it's great to see this happening in training threads. But it doesn't. People don't typically rp in training threads. It's a shame in my opinion, but that's just the way the cookie crumbles. Since it doesn't exist now, I don't see a problem with increasing the efficiency of training to a classroom scenario.

    Regarding sensei not teaching what they don't want to:
    That's part of the beauty of the classroom idea. Sensei wouldn't necessarily teach what they aren't interested in. Just as a uni professor would only teach in his areas of expertise, sensei would only teach in their area of expertise/interest. This would GREATLY increase the quality of training, as people would only be typing about things that they're actually interested in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesobi View Post
    just skimming through, but about the online classes: How will you deal with time zones, real life issues, and what not.

    I'm doing toad training with 3 people a thread, and it's going rather slow (on both sides).
    Well, if a sensei knows he will be on a time crunch and won't be responding to certain threads as often, I suggest that he/she increases the amount of information included in each post, and inform students how the student will be going.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Kaos View Post
    1.Now, in regards to Inch's idea, if this is to work, in any form or shape, it will first require patience from the students. Students change their teachers very frequently here, in a rush to get the basics mastered. If you aren't replying fast enough, bam, you're replaced. You are gone for a few days or week, bam, you get replaced. You end up going to a rock concert and get so shitfaced, you're near comatose for a few days and can't reply due to pain from kidney poisoning, bam, you're replaced. Well, maybe not in the case of the last one, but you get the point. If Naruto and the rest of Team 7 changed Senseis because Kakashi was always late and things, well, the series would not progress the way it is now. There'd be no Sasuke and Naruto rivalry as they likely wouldn't be around one another enough to push the other to victory. Students are anxious to fight, which I understand fully. But they should stick with one teacher the entire process of learning an element as many senseis/sempais have different methods to teaching. You don't want to have a ninja with 4 different methods of training in one element, leading to a sometimes counterproductive learning of the element.

    Now, let's assume that my Ninja Academy idea is evolved from a thread to a reworking of the training grounds, in conjunction with Inch's idea (as that is the only way I could see it working, having an actual academy to teach in). I'll use a default ninja name here to show how he and his 'class' would go through the academy and subsequent things.

    Naruto and the rest of the Konoha 11 enter in the Academy at Genin rank (obviously it happened the other way around in the manga/anime but due to the post count shit, we can't really do much unless it is ultimately changed). They begin their ninjutsu training, learning them and basic Taijutsu of up to C rank while being in the Academy. They also learn the fundamentals behind roleplaying, such as the dreaded timeframe discussion, freeform taijutsu, weaponry usage, etc etc. Upon reaching chuunin rank and learning Taijutsu and Ninjutsu, they take a small test (generic test really, asking what is taijutsu, how to use certain ninja tools, blah blah blah and the chakra paper test included) to better assess what their elemental affinities are because at this point, Chuunin have two. Then, we have to 'graduate' from the Academy and move on to being eligible to join in the NW roleplay and starting elemental ninjutsu training in a newer...school, so to speak, under their elemental Sensei. I say we make this, starting in taijutsu and ninjutsu training a prerequisite for learning elements, because learning the elements and then receiving taijutsu and ninjutsu training is very backwards. You're supposed to learn basic ninjutsu before elemental ninjutsu. It's like riding a Harley before you get on a bicycle with training wheels. Very backwards, eh?

    Upon 'graduating', the students are assigned a Sensei, whom they stay with until their elemental training is done. Now this is where it gets iffy, because of timezones differences, real life issues, and general relationships between the teacher and students. Some students may not be readily able to give replies within the time that the teachers want and vise versa. My solution? Have Sensei's and Sempai's teach jointly, instead of just allowing them to take on their own students. They could still do so, yes, but say the Sensei isn't able to make daily replies or quick replies every few days. The sempai could drop in, point out whatever flaws may or may not be present, and advance the training a few posts until the sensei is able to reply again. This will ultimately lead to a closer relationship between the student, sempai, and sensei. This way, each sensei could still have their specialized method of training while simulatenously allowing some basic structure to the training system. Going back to my original idea (first and second paragraph), once the Konoha 11 (12 counting Sasuke) students 'graduate' or are allowed the chance to learn elemental releases, the ones with elemental releases are grouped together in a thread. Let's just say there are 5 sensei's who specialize in fire. These six senseis would then divide the list of 12, each taking an even number on, in this case 2 apiece. They would teach those 2 students the elemental releases in their own methods and once finished with what they can learn at their rank, they undertake a small test (battle test or whatever last task the sensei wants them to complete) in which the sensei deems that the students have actually learned things instead of just replying to gain each element. This would essentially make it so that students who aren't demonstrating that they are learning and are just replying to jutsus are held back until they show they understand what they are learning and show actual knowledge in the field. Once the test is completed, the students are basically cycled on to the next Sensei who specialize in their secondary element and so on and so forth until mastery of the five is completed.

    For this to work as smoothly as possible, I URGE moderators to consider abolishing the post count promotion system as it just leads to unnecessary spamming. The students would be promoted through training, learning one element completely before starting on another. Through this, students would likely master an element faster, Sensei's would have less threads to manage, and overall, a sense of actual roleplaying might arise.

    I think I might have rambled on and lost track of my main goal with this post and might have even contradicted myself a few times here and even might have suggested some very idiotic goals, but if you tl;dr anything from this let it be this: We need a Ninja Academy or at the very least, a thread to fully explain some of the things that cause many problems due to poor understanding and knowledge. Bring back SY's Battle Academy thread. O__O My post is sketchy here and there after re-reading it but my main issues with the RP lie within the NW and battling in general lol
    For me, the overall process you described sounds fantastic, and I would love to see it implemented. But I see it as being painfully hard to implement. It would certainly increase the quality of our RP, but it seems like it would be a bit to much of a radical change to work. Of course, if others think otherwise, I'm all for trying to implement the system. Overall, it sounds similar to what Adachi suggested with the online classes, and my concern is relatively the same. I feel that this would just require too much work for the sensei, given that we don't really have that many as it stands. That said, I feel that the sensei test needs to be much easier. As it stands, I feel that the test isn't even relative right now. The knowledge test, sure, that's fair, though I'm not sure what it entails currently. The battle test however is irrelevant. We should allow people to become sensei based on how well they teach, not how well they battle.

    Regarding switching sensei:
    I think that if you switch sensei, you lose everything your old sensei taught you if you quit before finishing. Frankly, I hate it when I see this happening. It's like spitting in the face of your old sensei, saying, "I know you spent time trying to help me enjoy the RP, but it's not good enough for me, so I'm going to someone else!" So yeah, dropping out of a class should result in everything that was covered in your class being nulled, and you being forced to start from where you originally were in your next class.

    Regarding Basic Ninja Academy Thread:
    This needs to exist no matter what happens. A thread in which all basic rulings such as time frame, etc are explained thoroughly. At time I feel that the rules of the RP are WAY to liquid and are pretty much impossible to find in one place. So yeah, this needs to exist.

    Regarding Sensei Teaching what they specialize in:
    This is exactly what I was thinking. Take a look at real life. Do people who feel sort of 'meh' toward science go out and teach science? Of course not. They go and teach the subject they feel passionate about and enjoy. The teachers in our RP should do the same thing. As you said, I feel this would result in a much more positive for everyone evolved. Also, I was thinking the exact same thing about sempai becoming actual sensei assistants, rather than the weird pseudo-sensei system we have now.

    If anyone would care for it, I can make a post describing the entiritey of the process that I had in mind.
     
         

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    Re: CSotRP [Discussion and Implementation]

    Quote Originally Posted by Inch View Post
    Alright, I believe I've waited long enough for everyone with concerns who wanted to post on them to do so, so let's begin.


    That's an interesting idea. So, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're suggesting that we do something like this?

    The sensei would post whatever he thought was necessary for students to understand the jutsu in the element, and would provide students oppurtunies to ask questions regarding the technique. Obviously, quite a bit of text should go into this on the sensei's part. The questions could be answered by the sensei and his/her sempai. Once the lesson is concluded, a test would be given to the students in which they answer questions about the element and how the jutsu work, and if they pass, they gain mastery over the element. The sensei and sempai would be the ones grading the jutsu. Obviously, a certain time restraint would be placed on this to prevent cheating and the like.

    If so, I find this to be an interesting idea, though it would require a lot of regulation. If it weren't for that, it would be a very interesting way to do things indeed, but to me, it seems like it may require a bit too much work.

    As for rules regarding inactivity, I suggest having it go something like this:
    Let's say the sensei makes a post a day. (I'd like to note that the sensei should be allowed to explain more than one jutsu at a time.) If the student doesn't respond, the class goes on without him. It's up to the student to catch up by responding to each post the sensei makes. If he fails to do so within a week, all of his training is dropped. Of course, a student is able to talk with a sensei about organizing something should IRL issues come up to allow him to make things work, but this would need to be handled on a case by case scenario
    .

    Regarding your concerns about lazy people:
    For sensei, that's simply due to the sheer amount of people who they have to explain the exact same thing to. Take Adachi, for example. Let's say he's currently training ten people in ninjutsu. Rather than explaining things ten different times, this would enable him to explain things just once. This would take SOO much monotiny out of replying to threads for sensei, I feel. Now, this is where sempai come in. According to how large the class is, a sensei could have multiple sempai. They would be acting as a sempai actually should. Rather than just going off and training students in certain subjects as a sort of pseudo-sensei as they do now, they would answer questions, grade responses, and do a lot of work within the class so that the sensei doesn't have to spend too much time on it. Because there are more sempai according to how many people are within a class, sempai would not be overworked either.

    Regarding your concerns about students cheating:
    Because this is a public setting, this would be pretty difficult to do. If people start copy pasting with slight rewording, I think you'd be surprised at how quickly another student would catch on to it. Bear in mind that spam in these threads would have a zero tolerance policy, so students critizing eachother would be a non-issue. With concerns about student inactivity, check with what I responded to Adachi when he raised the same concern.




    Regarding the personal relationship:
    Ideally, yeah, it's great to see this happening in training threads. But it doesn't. People don't typically rp in training threads. It's a shame in my opinion, but that's just the way the cookie crumbles. Since it doesn't exist now, I don't see a problem with increasing the efficiency of training to a classroom scenario.

    Regarding sensei not teaching what they don't want to:
    That's part of the beauty of the classroom idea. Sensei wouldn't necessarily teach what they aren't interested in. Just as a uni professor would only teach in his areas of expertise, sensei would only teach in their area of expertise/interest. This would GREATLY increase the quality of training, as people would only be typing about things that they're actually interested in.


    Well, if a sensei knows he will be on a time crunch and won't be responding to certain threads as often, I suggest that he/she increases the amount of information included in each post, and inform students how the student will be going.

    For me, the overall process you described sounds fantastic, and I would love to see it implemented. But I see it as being painfully hard to implement. It would certainly increase the quality of our RP, but it seems like it would be a bit to much of a radical change to work. Of course, if others think otherwise, I'm all for trying to implement the system. Overall, it sounds similar to what Adachi suggested with the online classes, and my concern is relatively the same. I feel that this would just require too much work for the sensei, given that we don't really have that many as it stands. That said, I feel that the sensei test needs to be much easier. As it stands, I feel that the test isn't even relative right now. The knowledge test, sure, that's fair, though I'm not sure what it entails currently. The battle test however is irrelevant. We should allow people to become sensei based on how well they teach, not how well they battle.

    Regarding switching sensei:
    I think that if you switch sensei, you lose everything your old sensei taught you if you quit before finishing. Frankly, I hate it when I see this happening. It's like spitting in the face of your old sensei, saying, "I know you spent time trying to help me enjoy the RP, but it's not good enough for me, so I'm going to someone else!" So yeah, dropping out of a class should result in everything that was covered in your class being nulled, and you being forced to start from where you originally were in your next class.

    Regarding Basic Ninja Academy Thread:
    This needs to exist no matter what happens. A thread in which all basic rulings such as time frame, etc are explained thoroughly. At time I feel that the rules of the RP are WAY to liquid and are pretty much impossible to find in one place. So yeah, this needs to exist.

    Regarding Sensei Teaching what they specialize in:
    This is exactly what I was thinking. Take a look at real life. Do people who feel sort of 'meh' toward science go out and teach science? Of course not. They go and teach the subject they feel passionate about and enjoy. The teachers in our RP should do the same thing. As you said, I feel this would result in a much more positive for everyone evolved. Also, I was thinking the exact same thing about sempai becoming actual sensei assistants, rather than the weird pseudo-sensei system we have now.

    If anyone would care for it, I can make a post describing the entiritey of the process that I had in mind.
    These ideas are all really good.But it would put such a drain on the allready drained rp mods.May I Suggest that we make some new mods to fill the slots of the inactive mods.

    To add onto the idea that inch and others have add.If were going to make it classroom related.Then why only have 2 teacher(sensei,senpai)In a class you will find that you have a teacher and than 2 assistant.Why not incorperate that into this idea.Say similar to the whole head sensei,senior sensei and than regular sensei we have a similar system for senpai.such as
    Head senpai)2 or 3)
    Senior senpai(People who have been senpai for say 6 months or so and have the general gist of teaching)
    Regular senpai.(those under 6 months.)

    then we add for the senior senpai a teachers aid.this person would essentially not teach anyone but do the senpais job for the senpais classes.

    Sensei class check by senpai.
    Senpai class check by their aid.

    It would overall take the stress off senpai and sensei alike.Aswell as provide more teaching as the 2 teachers could take more students. in each class.Similar to( well dunno who sugested it but yeh )

    Say the sensei or senpai is for some reason unable to get ahold of a laptop,computer to reply to students the latter could come in and take over.effectivly giving all 3 a chance at teaching.
    the aid would need to be approved by the head sensei first not the sensei of whatever shishou they are applying for as it would like senpai ship become a popularity test.


    Regarding the sensei test.I understand the kowladge test but why a battle test?Youre selecting people who are going to be training people.Not fighting them.Yes I understand that a battle test is too ensure they know combos and the like but is it really needed ? no.The rp is about exactly that RolePlaygive them a scenario to play out.Have it involve significant more amount of roleplaying than fighting but still encorerate fightning.Say something along the lines of a mission.Your too safely deliver some prince/princess to their country.Along the way your attack and need to defend.

    Yes that scenario is vauge but you get the overall idea.

    Im going to stop making such a large wall of text now i suppose.
     
         

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    1- I love inches idea and think a question like seminar for say four students at a time would be more beneficial for rp as most of us learn jutsu's but not what works well with these combos and such this would really bring up the competition for the old gen who have been sitting around waiting for one smart new gen to come battle them.
    2- not sure I agree with this as there are an abundance of characters out there so people should just look for them and if there taken try someone else this is why the search bar is in effect.
    We put a lot of time into making our bio's and keeping them updated is our effort and time being used so just because we forget to post makes it so someone can make our custom character bio's this would be wrong for simple reasons.
    Retired old gen who can keep there characters and never worry about this stuff will name these people because it is just an example.

    Cali - zoro
    Emp - deadpool
    Kawagiri - crocodile
    Hells- grimjow
    gats- not sure who he has.
    Kagutsuchi- ace

    Now this is just for example guys don't get your panties in a twist. This just shows that people love there characters why do we have to give permission for others to freely make them we don't really. So I am against the bio thread permission area.

    3- seems like an alright idea but what about the new gen who don't have any and would still like to participate what do they put up this needs addressed as well.

    Also what's wrong with making up crazy stuff as none of naruto is real so lets keep this imagination going instead of getting seriously over technical on what is realistic and what is called anime guys
     
         
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    About reply delays...\

    A possible suggestion is instead of training till element or field is mastered, why not just train for a certain time limit? Like sign up to train in Earth for 1 month...Progress depends on the student(s) and teacher(s)

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    There should also be a rule against Godmodding and some kind of formality with the Quote & Run...
     
         
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Kaos View Post
    Finally made it to my laptop to actually type this up. I started on the phone, but it's a pain in the ass on there. >_>' I apologize for the wallie ahead of time.

    1. A type of Ninja Academy would be ideal here, if Inch's idea is to work, but before I speak on that as a whole, let me bring up a smaller, similar suggestion I had. I recently suggest a suggestion similar to this in the sensei group, though it's a bit more radical than this. My idea was to have each Sensei who specialize in certain fields (as when we apply for the position, it tells us to list things we specialize in) to teach the fields they specialize in. I, for example, specialize in Water, Earth, and Lightning Releases, and the subfields of Taijutsu and NB Taijutsu. I know how to use each of the five elemental releases effectively, though I am very proficient with the three aforementioned elements. I'm more comfortable teaching these over Wind and Fire, though I admit I am learning more about both these releases everyday. There are some sensei who have a greater understanding of certain elements than other sensei, this is well known amongst rp members as when issues over the usage of certain elements and jutsus are used, most times those specialized sensei are the ones contacted for their input on this. My suggestion was to have Sensei who specialize in certain elements teach only those fields. Now before you go ape shit over this, think about it.

    Let's say we have 10 Sensei, each taking on 10 new students, 2 in each element. That's all fine and dandy, but every Sensei has different teaching methods and though we each should have a mastery of the basic five elements, we can't pretend like we don't have a preferred element to teach as we may know more about that element or are just simply better at using/explaining the element. Those 10 Sensei, instead of having 10 multi-elemental students, would take on 10 of a certain element, or 5 of one element, and 5 of the next element. With the first method I said, it would be, in total, 10 fire students, 10 water, 10 earth etc etc. With the new method, it would be 10 fire students, 10 water, 10 earth, etc etc. So what ultimately changes? By having sensei who specialize in the elements be the main teachers of it, so to speak, we'd ensure that most new members learning are able to learn each element from those who fully understand it and can give detailed opinions on jutsus, and techniques and just general information that they might not have learned from another Sensei who specialized in an opposite element. It doesn't change much, though I will not lie, I'd be hella more interested in teaching an element I like than one I have to teach due to my Sensei title. Like when Naruto discovered his elemental affinity and went to Asuma for further help in developing it, or Sasuke learned from Kakashi on how to better use his lightning abilities.

    Now, I'm getting closer to addressing Inch's idea, but first, as I said earlier, a form of Ninja Academy is needed. This could be in the form of a revamping of the teaching system that Inch suggested, or even like the NB Battle Academy thread that Scary Yamato made for newer members that for some reason was deleted or moved to the hidden sections ( ===> http://narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58708). If I remember right, he had sections for a lot of the basics, including movement, ninja tools, explaining Rei's Rules and Restrictions, and more. If even this thread was bought back and actually used, a lot of problems could be fixed regarding training and the RP in general. His next post was due to be on the Time-frame, and quite frankly, that shit is long overdue. I can't tell you how many fights I've had to check in the NW for timeframe issues and other shit that could be overlooked, but that's neither here nor there. The point being, that an Academy, or really, a thread detailing certain things in depth will help A LOT. A post about timeframe, taijutsu in general, the different elemental releases (though these don't have to be covered in depth as that's the point of having Sensei anyway lol), Elemental KG, and other things that every ninja should know that isn't really covered in elemental training could be included. Going over this thread and the posts that may be related to whatever training is in session could be a great start to training and once training is over, can work as a great refresher for people.

    Now, in regards to Inch's idea, if this is to work, in any form or shape, it will first require patience from the students. Students change their teachers very frequently here, in a rush to get the basics mastered. If you aren't replying fast enough, bam, you're replaced. You are gone for a few days or week, bam, you get replaced. You end up going to a rock concert and get so shitfaced, you're near comatose for a few days and can't reply due to pain from kidney poisoning, bam, you're replaced. Well, maybe not in the case of the last one, but you get the point. If Naruto and the rest of Team 7 changed Senseis because Kakashi was always late and things, well, the series would not progress the way it is now. There'd be no Sasuke and Naruto rivalry as they likely wouldn't be around one another enough to push the other to victory. Students are anxious to fight, which I understand fully. But they should stick with one teacher the entire process of learning an element as many senseis/sempais have different methods to teaching. You don't want to have a ninja with 4 different methods of training in one element, leading to a sometimes counterproductive learning of the element.

    Now, let's assume that my Ninja Academy idea is evolved from a thread to a reworking of the training grounds, in conjunction with Inch's idea (as that is the only way I could see it working, having an actual academy to teach in). I'll use a default ninja name here to show how he and his 'class' would go through the academy and subsequent things.

    Naruto and the rest of the Konoha 11 enter in the Academy at Genin rank (obviously it happened the other way around in the manga/anime but due to the post count shit, we can't really do much unless it is ultimately changed). They begin their ninjutsu training, learning them and basic Taijutsu of up to C rank while being in the Academy. They also learn the fundamentals behind roleplaying, such as the dreaded timeframe discussion, freeform taijutsu, weaponry usage, etc etc. Upon reaching chuunin rank and learning Taijutsu and Ninjutsu, they take a small test (generic test really, asking what is taijutsu, how to use certain ninja tools, blah blah blah and the chakra paper test included) to better assess what their elemental affinities are because at this point, Chuunin have two. Then, we have to 'graduate' from the Academy and move on to being eligible to join in the NW roleplay and starting elemental ninjutsu training in a newer...school, so to speak, under their elemental Sensei. I say we make this, starting in taijutsu and ninjutsu training a prerequisite for learning elements, because learning the elements and then receiving taijutsu and ninjutsu training is very backwards. You're supposed to learn basic ninjutsu before elemental ninjutsu. It's like riding a Harley before you get on a bicycle with training wheels. Very backwards, eh?

    Upon 'graduating', the students are assigned a Sensei, whom they stay with until their elemental training is done. Now this is where it gets iffy, because of timezones differences, real life issues, and general relationships between the teacher and students. Some students may not be readily able to give replies within the time that the teachers want and vise versa. My solution? Have Sensei's and Sempai's teach jointly, instead of just allowing them to take on their own students. They could still do so, yes, but say the Sensei isn't able to make daily replies or quick replies every few days. The sempai could drop in, point out whatever flaws may or may not be present, and advance the training a few posts until the sensei is able to reply again. This will ultimately lead to a closer relationship between the student, sempai, and sensei. This way, each sensei could still have their specialized method of training while simulatenously allowing some basic structure to the training system. Going back to my original idea (first and second paragraph), once the Konoha 11 (12 counting Sasuke) students 'graduate' or are allowed the chance to learn elemental releases, the ones with elemental releases are grouped together in a thread. Let's just say there are 5 sensei's who specialize in fire. These six senseis would then divide the list of 12, each taking an even number on, in this case 2 apiece. They would teach those 2 students the elemental releases in their own methods and once finished with what they can learn at their rank, they undertake a small test (battle test or whatever last task the sensei wants them to complete) in which the sensei deems that the students have actually learned things instead of just replying to gain each element. This would essentially make it so that students who aren't demonstrating that they are learning and are just replying to jutsus are held back until they show they understand what they are learning and show actual knowledge in the field. Once the test is completed, the students are basically cycled on to the next Sensei who specialize in their secondary element and so on and so forth until mastery of the five is completed.

    For this to work as smoothly as possible, I URGE moderators to consider abolishing the post count promotion system as it just leads to unnecessary spamming. The students would be promoted through training, learning one element completely before starting on another. Through this, students would likely master an element faster, Sensei's would have less threads to manage, and overall, a sense of actual roleplaying might arise.

    I think I might have rambled on and lost track of my main goal with this post and might have even contradicted myself a few times here and even might have suggested some very idiotic goals, but if you tl;dr anything from this let it be this: We need a Ninja Academy or at the very least, a thread to fully explain some of the things that cause many problems due to poor understanding and knowledge. Bring back SY's Battle Academy thread. O__O My post is sketchy here and there after re-reading it but my main issues with the RP lie within the NW and battling in general lol
    Quote Originally Posted by Inch View Post
    Alright, I believe I've waited long enough for everyone with concerns who wanted to post on them to do so, so let's begin.


    That's an interesting idea. So, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're suggesting that we do something like this?

    The sensei would post whatever he thought was necessary for students to understand the jutsu in the element, and would provide students oppurtunies to ask questions regarding the technique. Obviously, quite a bit of text should go into this on the sensei's part. The questions could be answered by the sensei and his/her sempai. Once the lesson is concluded, a test would be given to the students in which they answer questions about the element and how the jutsu work, and if they pass, they gain mastery over the element. The sensei and sempai would be the ones grading the jutsu. Obviously, a certain time restraint would be placed on this to prevent cheating and the like.

    If so, I find this to be an interesting idea, though it would require a lot of regulation. If it weren't for that, it would be a very interesting way to do things indeed, but to me, it seems like it may require a bit too much work.

    As for rules regarding inactivity, I suggest having it go something like this:
    Let's say the sensei makes a post a day. (I'd like to note that the sensei should be allowed to explain more than one jutsu at a time.) If the student doesn't respond, the class goes on without him. It's up to the student to catch up by responding to each post the sensei makes. If he fails to do so within a week, all of his training is dropped. Of course, a student is able to talk with a sensei about organizing something should IRL issues come up to allow him to make things work, but this would need to be handled on a case by case scenario
    .

    Regarding your concerns about lazy people:
    For sensei, that's simply due to the sheer amount of people who they have to explain the exact same thing to. Take Adachi, for example. Let's say he's currently training ten people in ninjutsu. Rather than explaining things ten different times, this would enable him to explain things just once. This would take SOO much monotiny out of replying to threads for sensei, I feel. Now, this is where sempai come in. According to how large the class is, a sensei could have multiple sempai. They would be acting as a sempai actually should. Rather than just going off and training students in certain subjects as a sort of pseudo-sensei as they do now, they would answer questions, grade responses, and do a lot of work within the class so that the sensei doesn't have to spend too much time on it. Because there are more sempai according to how many people are within a class, sempai would not be overworked either.

    Regarding your concerns about students cheating:
    Because this is a public setting, this would be pretty difficult to do. If people start copy pasting with slight rewording, I think you'd be surprised at how quickly another student would catch on to it. Bear in mind that spam in these threads would have a zero tolerance policy, so students critizing eachother would be a non-issue. With concerns about student inactivity, check with what I responded to Adachi when he raised the same concern.




    Regarding the personal relationship:
    Ideally, yeah, it's great to see this happening in training threads. But it doesn't. People don't typically rp in training threads. It's a shame in my opinion, but that's just the way the cookie crumbles. Since it doesn't exist now, I don't see a problem with increasing the efficiency of training to a classroom scenario.

    Regarding sensei not teaching what they don't want to:
    That's part of the beauty of the classroom idea. Sensei wouldn't necessarily teach what they aren't interested in. Just as a uni professor would only teach in his areas of expertise, sensei would only teach in their area of expertise/interest. This would GREATLY increase the quality of training, as people would only be typing about things that they're actually interested in.


    Well, if a sensei knows he will be on a time crunch and won't be responding to certain threads as often, I suggest that he/she increases the amount of information included in each post, and inform students how the student will be going.

    For me, the overall process you described sounds fantastic, and I would love to see it implemented. But I see it as being painfully hard to implement. It would certainly increase the quality of our RP, but it seems like it would be a bit to much of a radical change to work. Of course, if others think otherwise, I'm all for trying to implement the system. Overall, it sounds similar to what Adachi suggested with the online classes, and my concern is relatively the same. I feel that this would just require too much work for the sensei, given that we don't really have that many as it stands. That said, I feel that the sensei test needs to be much easier. As it stands, I feel that the test isn't even relative right now. The knowledge test, sure, that's fair, though I'm not sure what it entails currently. The battle test however is irrelevant. We should allow people to become sensei based on how well they teach, not how well they battle.

    Regarding switching sensei:
    I think that if you switch sensei, you lose everything your old sensei taught you if you quit before finishing. Frankly, I hate it when I see this happening. It's like spitting in the face of your old sensei, saying, "I know you spent time trying to help me enjoy the RP, but it's not good enough for me, so I'm going to someone else!" So yeah, dropping out of a class should result in everything that was covered in your class being nulled, and you being forced to start from where you originally were in your next class.

    Regarding Basic Ninja Academy Thread:
    This needs to exist no matter what happens. A thread in which all basic rulings such as time frame, etc are explained thoroughly. At time I feel that the rules of the RP are WAY to liquid and are pretty much impossible to find in one place. So yeah, this needs to exist.

    Regarding Sensei Teaching what they specialize in:
    This is exactly what I was thinking. Take a look at real life. Do people who feel sort of 'meh' toward science go out and teach science? Of course not. They go and teach the subject they feel passionate about and enjoy. The teachers in our RP should do the same thing. As you said, I feel this would result in a much more positive for everyone evolved. Also, I was thinking the exact same thing about sempai becoming actual sensei assistants, rather than the weird pseudo-sensei system we have now.

    If anyone would care for it, I can make a post describing the entiritey of the process that I had in mind.
    Quote Originally Posted by blaise12 View Post
    These ideas are all really good.But it would put such a drain on the allready drained rp mods.May I Suggest that we make some new mods to fill the slots of the inactive mods.

    To add onto the idea that inch and others have add.If were going to make it classroom related.Then why only have 2 teacher(sensei,senpai)In a class you will find that you have a teacher and than 2 assistant.Why not incorperate that into this idea.Say similar to the whole head sensei,senior sensei and than regular sensei we have a similar system for senpai.such as
    Head senpai)2 or 3)
    Senior senpai(People who have been senpai for say 6 months or so and have the general gist of teaching)
    Regular senpai.(those under 6 months.)

    then we add for the senior senpai a teachers aid.this person would essentially not teach anyone but do the senpais job for the senpais classes.

    Sensei class check by senpai.
    Senpai class check by their aid.

    It would overall take the stress off senpai and sensei alike.Aswell as provide more teaching as the 2 teachers could take more students. in each class.Similar to( well dunno who sugested it but yeh )

    Say the sensei or senpai is for some reason unable to get ahold of a laptop,computer to reply to students the latter could come in and take over.effectivly giving all 3 a chance at teaching.
    the aid would need to be approved by the head sensei first not the sensei of whatever shishou they are applying for as it would like senpai ship become a popularity test.


    Regarding the sensei test.I understand the kowladge test but why a battle test?Youre selecting people who are going to be training people.Not fighting them.Yes I understand that a battle test is too ensure they know combos and the like but is it really needed ? no.The rp is about exactly that RolePlaygive them a scenario to play out.Have it involve significant more amount of roleplaying than fighting but still encorerate fightning.Say something along the lines of a mission.Your too safely deliver some prince/princess to their country.Along the way your attack and need to defend.

    Yes that scenario is vauge but you get the overall idea.

    Im going to stop making such a large wall of text now i suppose.
    These 3 posts had some incredibly good suggestions that i support 100%. + Rep to you guys.xD
    I feel the classroom idea is very effective and should be implemented, for that i have some tips on keeping things more distinct and organized. In my opinion, a subsection called The Academy should be made in the training grounds. As LoK suggested the first thing students should learn is ninjutsu, taijutsu up to C rank and genjutsu to D rank inorder to learn to mold their chakra properly since chakra is the combination of physical and spiritual/mind energy.

    For this the stuff a Sensei along with 1 or 2 sempais would teach should be split into 2 parts, a theoretical and a pratical part. The theoretical stuff would take placed within the classroom of the ninja academy where the teachers give information of everything basic the students would need such as timeframe, the way to roleplay your character explanation of techniques, use of weapons, strategy/battle situations, answering questions etc. Then at the end of the theoretical part there will be a small exam that the academy students need to pass before they can put what they've learned into practice by having a small battle test that will happen in the training grounds, then they get graded on their overall skill kinda like the current sensei test but way more lenient before 'graduating'. They then go to learn a second element and of course each sensei/sempais will teach the subject they like, if fire is your favorite element, you teach that etc.

    Also, i think the elemental training should take place in the ninja world either you find a sensei within your own village or you travel someplace else to learn what you need, these trainings would involve a story, travel and lots of roleplaying.

    Just my two cents.
     
         

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    Re: CSotRP [Discussion and Implementation]

    I have to give a huge applause to both inch and Loki ideas however, there are a few things pending on my mind one is regarding the availability of custom bios due to inactivity, and the loss of training due to changin pg of senseis, this thread was organized for us to try to lock horn together and find ways to improve the role play and we must approach this with a realistic sense. Custom biographies are what each role player uses to stand out and make a name for himselve such as caliburn zoro bio and mugi luffy bio, with custom biographies you gain some sense of self pride and acknowledgement, and I can say that from a first hand view having a custom biography too which I have at times declined permission to recreate from other users due to me wanting to have sole ownership now my point is let's say a member has Acheived a great deal in this bio due to one form of prowess or another like mugi and Cali being kenjutsu and bones usage. Now lets say such member goes AWOL and is inactive for 3-4 months Due to real life issues. And come back here only to find out his bio which he once held with great pride and self esteem is now been used by several members without his or her knowing, how would this user feel or react? We claim we want our role play to be as real as possible and though there being limits to that, we can try to some extent. Even in the real world when somebody started any idea lets say a brand or even a song and someone wants to recreate such brand or song he or she must attain permission from the sole owner or face the law, so why shouldnt it be the same here just because your angry someone got the bio you need first you become jealouse and devise plots to bring them down. We both know that isn't fair know matter how much you try to deceive yourself! Another issue is the second one being a student drops out of training because a sensei is too slow and is holding him back so what? You punish him? Make him lose all his training? In what world does that make sense, dropping out of the class or not what is learned is learned how does all that training we have done magically *poof* go away and yet you talk about make things more realistic. When jiraiya taught naruto the rasengan before shippuden started where naruto improved on the rasengan and learnt the big ball rasengan if he chose to ditch jiraiya for let's say Asuma or someone else because he felt jiraiya was too slow does his knowledge of rasengan magically disappear? I think we all know the answer of that! Another thing I would like to suggest is the compulsory enforcement of a sempai by virtue of one being a sensei many sensei don't have sempai which increases the training work load and the customary excuse is no one is experience or meet the requirements , so out of a community of more than 100000 you can't find someone who has mastered the basic five has some rp knowledge and meet your requirements if that isn't bull I don't know what is! That's my opinion and my stance on all this! Out!!!
     
         
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    Re: CSotRP [Discussion and Implementation]

    How the hell did I miss this thread._. Anyways, thankyou very much tenzo for this helpful thread, much appreciated and very helpful.


    I guess a little change for our rp piggy bank

    1.) Our training system
    Our training system is indeed very tiring and it gets old doing the same thing for every single element. I know everyone wants to finish there training fast so they can hurry up and become like the old gen. I was once told by someone that it's no the finale but rather the journey. So you finish all of your training, cool what do you do now? Become a sensei.... Cool what now? Uh defeat everyone proving my dominance. Eh..... (Quoting) Aside from that, what i'm saying is the training system is boring and to slow. Not my own words but an average of what everyone says I guess. I enjoy my trainings, when there is actual rp in them. I was watching some old Naruto episodes, specifically where Naruto is being trained by his sensei (Iruka Jiraiya, Kakashi.) You can probably get where i'm going with this from here. My suggestion is actual role playing in our role playing training thread. But wait there is more... Taking Inch's lecture hall idea, you could have little training sessions with 2-3 people. (Squads like how Kakashi did with the gennins.) And teach them what they need all at once. But wait...There's more. Not jutsu by jutsu though, You the senseis would be teaching your students through description and actually playing out the scenarios in which you'd use them. For example

    Summoning Jutsu...
    Jiraiya pushes Naruto off a cliff after teaching him how to summon a toad. In real time. (say 4 minutes per student) They'd have to summon that toad. If they fail to summon it in 4 minutes, there bio is dead. (For 1 day) If they die, then someone else who is at that level of training could step in and take his place. So it's sort of trial and error.
    So a run down
    -Rping in the training thread
    -Official Training with time limits
    -Students would have to have the same or close gmt to their sensei or each other. (Like zk does)
    -If the student dies or doesn't reply in the 3 day time limit (They are replaced with students from my next suggestion)

    A student waiting line(Drizzeh used to have one)
    It would be broken up by progress gmt and what they are training in
    It works like a line on lack Friday
    -You step out of line you go to the back of the line and someone else steps in.
    You die in training or don't reply you are replaced and sent to the back of the line
    -This way, senseis aren't stacked with the same people or everyone in one thing.

    2. I love this idea personally, it works exceptionally well on our old sister site (not advertising) But it's very organized and imo works better then the search bar. Easier to navigate through. It saves people the time of making a "pretty" bio then being shot down by someone owns it sorry.
    -The idea of if you own rights and don't use it or don't mind if others use it is cool.
    Jacob Moore did it with me so I could use Rin Okumura. So it's not to far fetched

    Now the underlying problem with this I guess would be the bio rights. Those stingy people who make alts just to keep there bios. I am guilty of this>_> Seriously, If you want the bio that badly, keep the bio you aren't going to hold all of the bios for ever. Another suggestion for this would be to change the bio ownership rule slightly. If they aren't active for 3 months. The first person who makes the bio owns permission until the original owner comes back. When he does. They both get to keep it, but no one else can make it. But there would be a cap limit. No more then 4 people can have the same bio. Example:

    -Yume made the first rin
    -He goes inactive
    -Jacob Moore makes Rin
    -Jacob goes inactive but gives me permission
    -I make the 3rd Rin bio
    -Yume comes back now he and I have the same bio but he owns all rights and can give it to a fourth person
    -He gives permission to "Bojack"
    -Jacob comes back
    Now the only people who can have a Rin Okumura bio would be
    -Yume
    -Jacob
    -Gecko
    -Bojack
    Until someone drops the bio for good.

    3. Donate a cj tournament
    -I like this idea, but for others it wouldn't be beneficial as they don't use customs or hate them
    -For those people I suggest a "perk" tournament like
    a nb genjutsu perks for that person, just the perks nothing else
    b the ability to recycle a ce of there choice from someone who hasn't been active for 2 + years (Just slightly different)
    c Personal Student of the sensei of the year for a whole month

    Just a my two cents. Hope it helped.
     
         

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    Re: CSotRP [Discussion and Implementation]

    Here is my take for the Ninja world, please consider: http://narutobase.net/forums/showthr...3#post11574433
     
         

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