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    Re: Naruto Manga 477 Discussion / 478 Predictions

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    Like I said, it's a long shot. But, at the time Obito "died", Madara would have been over 100 years old. A crushed body can be fixed, but a 100 year old body is old.

    Also, remember that Orochimaru needed to transfer bodies on a limited schedule. Maybe Madara didn't want Obito's crushed body but couldn't find anything better on short notice. Maybe Madara can only inhabit an Uchiha body.

    Itachi did say that Madara was only a shell of his former self with little power. Maybe this is because he is inhabiting a crushed, broken body. Maybe
    he had to spend too much power to heal it.

    There are plenty of problems with this theory, but it does explain why Madara only seems to have one eye, why he wears a mask to conceal his face (because his face would be recognizable as somebody else), how kakashi got Mangekyo and Kamui, how Madara is able to be alive 100 years after the battle of the end where he was so injured that people thought he died, etc.
    I know i just find it highly unlikely, i just think madaras got some bad scar or seal on his other eye thats why we havnt seen it :D
     
         

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    Whiteknight, tsuchikage fought Madara so they must be fairly similar ages, with only 10 year gap at most, as Madara was an elite Ninja, and therefore tsuchikage mustve been elite, meaning late teens earliest 20's more likely, and Madara was 20's during his mangekyou years.

    How come Madara needs a new body but tsuchikage does not?

    Methinks Kishi ****ed up on the maths
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 477 Discussion / 478 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by twistedlink View Post
    Whiteknight, tsuchikage fought Madara so they must be fairly similar ages, with only 10 year gap at most, as Madara was an elite Ninja, and therefore tsuchikage mustve been elite, meaning late teens earliest 20's more likely, and Madara was 20's during his mangekyou years.

    How come Madara needs a new body but tsuchikage does not?

    Methinks Kishi ****ed up on the maths
    I think that neither need a new body but madara is seriously F**ked after his fight with the 1st hokage seeing as he was meant to have died, so thats whats wrong with madaras body and the tsuchikage is just old and nakered :P
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 477 Discussion / 478 Predictions

    I noticed some people were discussing about the eye technique passed down to one of the sage of 6 paths son. so i was just thinking that maybe the sharingan and the byukan come from the son of s.o.s.p who probably had kids of his own and they were born with eighter shatingaan or byukan
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 477 Discussion / 478 Predictions

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    1. the kyuubi is a great asset thats kept naruto alive and kept up his healing abilities!

    2. hes only has minimum sage mode training and for the training hes had he is awsome, look how he managed to beat the great pain who destroyed the who village with one attack...

    3. As for rassengan hes developed it to a whole new level and if he needs clones to do it it doesnt make it clumsy just its his own way to do it, each to there own, konahamru needs a clone 2, its and s-rank jutsu only 2 have mastered!

    4. Very very very wrong my friend, he has his summonings and does summoning combo jutsus. If you remember when he turned up to fight kakuzu he showed how awsome he had become, firstly he used his clones to analise his opponent then to trick him to use his best attack, that was very smart... Also if it wasnt for naruto being able to forgive pain half the village would be dead...

    5. lol theres no such thing as lifespan i naruto :P

    6. naruto vs sasuke... i cannot say, sage eyes vs sharingan... m would be epic though

    Madara cant really fight at the moment i think so wouldnt be able say on that one
    1) Definitely not. They've said in the manga before that the Kyuubi's chakra is poisonous. Imagine how much more powerful Naruto might be if he didn't have that poison. Also, he can't control it, and if you can't control it in battle it's useless.

    2) He only managed to beat Pain because the battle didn't last more than a few minutes. The final battle against Deva Pain was only won because each Pain had only one ability and his gravity attacks had timing problems. Also, he wasted a huge amount of chakra on that gravity sphere thing that the 8-tailed fox broke out of. He also had plenty of preparation by setting up clones to absorb natural chakra. How will he do in battle if he doesn't absorb natural chakra beforehand and doesn't set up clones?

    3) That's exactly what clumsy is. In the middle of a fight (especially against a fast/observant/intelligent opponent), you can't say "give me a few minutes to put together my ultimate jutsu!" In sage mode Naruto was able to make Rasengans quickly and without clones, but again: Sage mode is extremely limited right now. We all know Naruto can perform miracles through training, but where his sage mode is right now is not good. More training will help, obviously.

    4) Yes, I forgot summons. So he has 4 jutusus he can use: Rasengan, clones, transforms, and summons. Hardly a well-rounded ninja, and hardly as versatile as other Ninja's we've seen. Compare to Sasuke: a whole series of Fire jutsus, a whole series of Chidori jutsus, amaterasu, tsukyomi, susanoo, summons, chakra-infused weapon skills, great taijutsu, and whatever else Orochimaru taught him. Really, it's not a fight. Isn't Naruto still only a Genin?

    5) Tsunade said that her special healing abilities caused her lifespan to shorten when she used them in the fight against Orochimaru. It has also been said that the fox's chakra caused Naruto's skin to burn off, which decreased his lifespan.

    6) What could naruto possibly do to beat Sasuke? One shot of Amaterasu would kill Naruto. It is impossible to extinguish and burns until whatever it touches is devoured. Plus, it goes wherever Sasuke looks, and Naruto can't move faster than Sasukes eyes can. So Naruto could create a clone, but Sasuke's sharingan would see the clone. Susanoo would make sasuke immune to Rasengan and frog katas. Plus, Naruto can't use Raisen Shiruken against Sasuke because his fire style attacks would turn it back against Naruto with more power. Sharingan could control the fox chakra if Naruto used that. Maybe Sasuke could enter Naruto's subconscious and unseal the fox entirely, and then Naruto would have to fight the fox. Naruto would be powerless inside any Genjutsu, he has not shown an ability to resist them any time one has been used on him.

    At the moment it's not a fair fight. Kishi has given Sasuke too many abilities and has given Naruto far too few. Things are only going to get worse when Sasuke uses Itachi's eyes (and he will, eventually). Mangekyo sharingan are too powerful and Naruto has no known way to defend against them.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 477 Discussion / 478 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by twistedlink View Post
    Whiteknight, tsuchikage fought Madara so they must be fairly similar ages, with only 10 year gap at most, as Madara was an elite Ninja, and therefore tsuchikage mustve been elite, meaning late teens earliest 20's more likely, and Madara was 20's during his mangekyou years.

    How come Madara needs a new body but tsuchikage does not?

    Methinks Kishi ****ed up on the maths
    Madara mentioned once that he was over 100 years old, and Itachi said Madara was just a shell of his former self.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 477 Discussion / 478 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteknight View Post
    1) Definitely not. They've said in the manga before that the Kyuubi's chakra is poisonous. Imagine how much more powerful Naruto might be if he didn't have that poison. Also, he can't control it, and if you can't control it in battle it's useless.

    2) He only managed to beat Pain because the battle didn't last more than a few minutes. The final battle against Deva Pain was only won because each Pain had only one ability and his gravity attacks had timing problems. Also, he wasted a huge amount of chakra on that gravity sphere thing that the 8-tailed fox broke out of. He also had plenty of preparation by setting up clones to absorb natural chakra. How will he do in battle if he doesn't absorb natural chakra beforehand and doesn't set up clones?

    3) That's exactly what clumsy is. In the middle of a fight (especially against a fast/observant/intelligent opponent), you can't say "give me a few minutes to put together my ultimate jutsu!" In sage mode Naruto was able to make Rasengans quickly and without clones, but again: Sage mode is extremely limited right now. We all know Naruto can perform miracles through training, but where his sage mode is right now is not good. More training will help, obviously.

    4) Yes, I forgot summons. So he has 4 jutusus he can use: Rasengan, clones, transforms, and summons. Hardly a well-rounded ninja, and hardly as versatile as other Ninja's we've seen. Compare to Sasuke: a whole series of Fire jutsus, a whole series of Chidori jutsus, amaterasu, tsukyomi, susanoo, summons, chakra-infused weapon skills, great taijutsu, and whatever else Orochimaru taught him. Really, it's not a fight. Isn't Naruto still only a Genin?

    5) Tsunade said that her special healing abilities caused her lifespan to shorten when she used them in the fight against Orochimaru. It has also been said that the fox's chakra caused Naruto's skin to burn off, which decreased his lifespan.

    6) What could naruto possibly do to beat Sasuke? One shot of Amaterasu would kill Naruto. It is impossible to extinguish and burns until whatever it touches is devoured. Plus, it goes wherever Sasuke looks, and Naruto can't move faster than Sasukes eyes can. So Naruto could create a clone, but Sasuke's sharingan would see the clone. Susanoo would make sasuke immune to Rasengan and frog katas. Plus, Naruto can't use Raisen Shiruken against Sasuke because his fire style attacks would turn it back against Naruto with more power. Sharingan could control the fox chakra if Naruto used that. Maybe Sasuke could enter Naruto's subconscious and unseal the fox entirely, and then Naruto would have to fight the fox. Naruto would be powerless inside any Genjutsu, he has not shown an ability to resist them any time one has been used on him.

    At the moment it's not a fair fight. Kishi has given Sasuke too many abilities and has given Naruto far too few. Things are only going to get worse when Sasuke uses Itachi's eyes (and he will, eventually). Mangekyo sharingan are too powerful and Naruto has no known way to defend against them.
    1. he can learn to controll it and his chakra has like merged with the fox's so i doubt its hurting him until he goes into fox mode

    2. That proves naruto uses his head, he realise he only had so much sage chakra to beat pain, also he used his clones to hold him so he could outlast pains attacks and beat him, do you expect him be a perfect ninja, hes awsome with what he has to work with...

    3. naruto can summon mass clones thats a great asset, he could attack with 500 clones and gather nature chakra with 5 clones without the oppent noticing :D Clones are awsome :P

    4. well what can other ninjas do? sasuke has sharringan and chidori, and all his new sharingan abilities are only there because of itachi right? i dont see anyone saying he sucks, jsut that hes anoying...

    5. Name one great ninja that has died of age in naruto? lol read the last like 10 pages of this thread and you will understand

    6. I see your a sasuke fan but i honestly cant say what naruto would do apart from maybe dodge, summon thousands of clones and think of something in the meantime, naruto worked for his abilities, sasuke is naturally gifted, lets see how this goes in the manga man...

    Naruto will train as its been said by kishi, and he will get stronger :D
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 477 Discussion / 478 Predictions

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    1. he can learn to controll it and his chakra has like merged with the fox's so i doubt its hurting him until he goes into fox mode

    2. That proves naruto uses his head, he realise he only had so much sage chakra to beat pain, also he used his clones to hold him so he could outlast pains attacks and beat him, do you expect him be a perfect ninja, hes awsome with what he has to work with...

    3. naruto can summon mass clones thats a great asset, he could attack with 500 clones and gather nature chakra with 5 clones without the oppent noticing :D Clones are awsome :P

    4. well what can other ninjas do? sasuke has sharringan and chidori, and all his new sharingan abilities are only there because of itachi right? i dont see anyone saying he sucks, jsut that hes anoying...

    5. Name one great ninja that has died of age in naruto? lol read the last like 10 pages of this thread and you will understand

    6. I see your a sasuke fan but i honestly cant say what naruto would do apart from maybe dodge, summon thousands of clones and think of something in the meantime, naruto worked for his abilities, sasuke is naturally gifted, lets see how this goes in the manga man...

    Naruto will train as its been said by kishi, and he will get stronger :D
    1) I'll go so far as to call it even. The fox has plenty of problems but I won't deny some benefits too.

    2) Not buying it. It's still a limitation and any enemy that can outlast him will win.

    3) ...and every time we've seen Naruto create that many clones to aide in a fight, we see them get cut down like flies. Besides his very first use of the clones in like episode 2, we've never seen 500 clones be useful for anything except tracking and training. 500 clones that explode into dust at the slightest touch are worthless.

    4) ...see below...

    5) They've talked about it. The Manga has only covered a few short years now and ninja aren't exactly sitting around waiting to die from heart disease.

    6) I don't like Sasuke, but that's exactly the point. Sasuke is like Superman: He's got every power, and every time something goes wrong he magically gets a new "ultimate" power. And now he has Mangekyo, which apparently is a bottomless pit of new ultimate powers. Kishi keeps adding abilities to Sasuke, and he's adding them faster than he does to Naruto. Let's ask some real questions:

    How can Naruto possibly defend against Amaterasu? Even in sage mode, if he gets hit he's done for.

    How can Naruto possibly defend against Tsukuyomi? Naruto has always been unable to use genjutsu and unable to defend against it.

    How can Naruto's attacks possibly penetrate Susanoo? It's a "perfect" defense and short-term attack. If Naruto is a melee fighter (and it's been mentioned on several occasions that he is), this is a big problem. Naruto can throw a Rasenshuriken, but this is a huge attack that eats up a lot of chakra. If Susanoo can block a few of these Naruto will be out.

    I don't like it because right now, unless Sasuke loses something or Naruto gains some new skills, it's an uneven fight.
     
         

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    1) I'll go so far as to call it even. The fox has plenty of problems but I won't deny some benefits too.

    2) Not buying it. It's still a limitation and any enemy that can outlast him will win.

    3) ...and every time we've seen Naruto create that many clones to aide in a fight, we see them get cut down like flies. Besides his very first use of the clones in like episode 2, we've never seen 500 clones be useful for anything except tracking and training. 500 clones that explode into dust at the slightest touch are worthless.

    4) ...see below...

    5) They've talked about it. The Manga has only covered a few short years now and ninja aren't exactly sitting around waiting to die from heart disease.

    6) I don't like Sasuke, but that's exactly the point. Sasuke is like Superman: He's got every power, and every time something goes wrong he magically gets a new "ultimate" power. And now he has Mangekyo, which apparently is a bottomless pit of new ultimate powers. Kishi keeps adding abilities to Sasuke, and he's adding them faster than he does to Naruto. Let's ask some real questions:

    How can Naruto possibly defend against Amaterasu? Even in sage mode, if he gets hit he's done for.

    How can Naruto possibly defend against Tsukuyomi? Naruto has always been unable to use genjutsu and unable to defend against it.

    How can Naruto's attacks possibly penetrate Susanoo? It's a "perfect" defense and short-term attack. If Naruto is a melee fighter (and it's been mentioned on several occasions that he is), this is a big problem. Naruto can throw a Rasenshuriken, but this is a huge attack that eats up a lot of chakra. If Susanoo can block a few of these Naruto will be out.

    I don't like it because right now, unless Sasuke loses something or Naruto gains some new skills, it's an uneven fight.
    The flames erm summon a fro to do something? Im not sure i just dont think sasuke can beat naruto, but im a naruto fan, i think itachi left something behind to help naruto too, your mind is set on narutos faults and im a naruto fan I dont have all the answers and cba keep up trying get my point across :P
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 477 Discussion / 478 Predictions

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    The flames erm summon a fro to do something? Im not sure i just dont think sasuke can beat naruto, but im a naruto fan, i think itachi left something behind to help naruto too, your mind is set on narutos faults and im a naruto fan I dont have all the answers and cba keep up trying get my point across :P
    I'm a Naruto fan too. I love the character and I do not like the Sasuke character. But you have to face facts: in the last few story arcs Sasuke has gotten much more powerful and Naruto has not caught up. If Danzo dies of natural causes this week and Naruto and Sasuke are transported to a secret location to fight each other, Sasuke would win.

    I did read the Kishi interview. He said that in 2010 Naruto would spent plenty of time training. Naruto is going to need to train and learn some awesome jutsus this year if he wants to get up to the level where Sasuke is right now. I think he will and then some: Naruto is going to become an even better ninja and whip Sasuke's ass.

    Of course, I was thinking about it today and I was having trouble thinking about Naruto's training. Who is qualified to train him? Jiraya was his teacher, and he was a very wise and powerful ninja. I think it's safe to say that Jiraya would be wiser than Kakashi (Jiraya taught Minato, who taught Kakashi). Tsunade is wise and powerful, but she's a healing type. She could teach him good chakra control, but that's about it.

    Maybe one of the other village elders could teach him, but now that Naruto knows about the Uchiha massacre and how those elders were part of it, so Naruto wouldn't like or trust them.

    Maybe some of the kages could get together and train him to help resist Madara. That would be very interesting.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 477 Discussion / 478 Predictions

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    1) I'll go so far as to call it even. The fox has plenty of problems but I won't deny some benefits too.

    2) Not buying it. It's still a limitation and any enemy that can outlast him will win.

    3) ...and every time we've seen Naruto create that many clones to aide in a fight, we see them get cut down like flies. Besides his very first use of the clones in like episode 2, we've never seen 500 clones be useful for anything except tracking and training. 500 clones that explode into dust at the slightest touch are worthless.

    4) ...see below...

    5) They've talked about it. The Manga has only covered a few short years now and ninja aren't exactly sitting around waiting to die from heart disease.

    6) I don't like Sasuke, but that's exactly the point. Sasuke is like Superman: He's got every power, and every time something goes wrong he magically gets a new "ultimate" power. And now he has Mangekyo, which apparently is a bottomless pit of new ultimate powers. Kishi keeps adding abilities to Sasuke, and he's adding them faster than he does to Naruto. Let's ask some real questions:

    How can Naruto possibly defend against Amaterasu? Even in sage mode, if he gets hit he's done for.

    How can Naruto possibly defend against Tsukuyomi? Naruto has always been unable to use genjutsu and unable to defend against it.

    How can Naruto's attacks possibly penetrate Susanoo? It's a "perfect" defense and short-term attack. If Naruto is a melee fighter (and it's been mentioned on several occasions that he is), this is a big problem. Naruto can throw a Rasenshuriken, but this is a huge attack that eats up a lot of chakra. If Susanoo can block a few of these Naruto will be out.

    I don't like it because right now, unless Sasuke loses something or Naruto gains some new skills, it's an uneven fight.

    * Naruto definitely has speed to dodge Amaterasu, or are you forgetting just how fast he is

    * He can have the fox help break him out of Tsukuyomi, just like KB and Hachibi

    * As for Susanoo, he can break through incomplete with his brute strength, shown when he destroyed the fat pein's body. Susanoo a being made out of chakra should be beat by FRS which cuts right through chakra on a cellular level, and if that fails he can ake two clones in sage mode and use 3 FRS's at the same time and then 3 more directly after that. Even a perfect defense can't take that much abuse.

    * Plus MS eats the same or more amount of chakra the FRS, which Sasuke uses recklessly as shown in his last fights, plus we don't know how much longer his eyesight will last
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga 477 Discussion / 478 Predictions

    Some very interesting ideas here, but remember, Naruto doesn`t really need anyone to teach him, only a guide who puts him on the right track, and i believe that Kakashi and Tenzou are more than enough capable

    Only thing he need a teacher for is to controll the Kyubii, but thats probobly where Itachi`s gift comes in:D
     
         

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    * Naruto definitely has speed to dodge Amaterasu, or are you forgetting just how fast he is

    * He can have the fox help break him out of Tsukuyomi, just like KB and Hachibi

    * As for Susanoo, he can break through incomplete with his brute strength, shown when he destroyed the fat pein's body. Susanoo a being made out of chakra should be beat by FRS which cuts right through chakra on a cellular level, and if that fails he can ake two clones in sage mode and use 3 FRS's at the same time and then 3 more directly after that. Even a perfect defense can't take that much abuse.

    * Plus MS eats the same or more amount of chakra the FRS, which Sasuke uses recklessly as shown in his last fights, plus we don't know how much longer his eyesight will last
    I have several problems with what you said above.

    Speed: I don't care how fast Naruto is in general, I care about how fast he is in comparison to Sasuke. The rivalry between those two is the biggest issue in the whole manga. Remember when Naruto, Sai, and Sakura went to Orochimaru's hideout and found Sasuke? Remember how much faster Sasuke was than Naruto? How he appeared next to him in a heartbeat? How he moved faster than they could even see? Or remember Sasuke's fight against Deidara how he outran explosions? There's no way that right now Naruto is any faster than all that.

    Genjutsu: Maybe the fox is capable of helping, but the junction between Naruto and fox is nowhere near the "perfect union" of the hachibi. The hachibi works together with his tailed beast. The fox works against Naruto. There are only two times when the fox helps Naruto: When naruto loses control of his emotions and lets the fox run free, or when Naruto is about to die and take the fox with him.

    Susanoo: Are Naruto's rasengan more powerful than Sasuke's Kirin attack with the lighting? Sasuke used that attack against Itachi, who blocked it with Susanoo. Several times in the manga it has been described as the "perfect defense", I don't think we can assume that any number of rasengans can just break through it. Maybe this is possible, but we can't just presume it.

    Chakra: Sasuke is reckless with his mangekyo techniques, but he can afford to be. These techniques are so powerful that only one or two of them can usually beat any opponent. I'll raise the question again: What could Naruto do right now, with his current skillset, to avoid or survive Amaterasu? One attack is all it would take to best Naruto right now, he can be as reckless as he wants with it.

    I'll mention again that I really prefer the Naruto character and want him to win in the end. But, at this very point there is no way he's on top. Fortulately, I think Sasuke is at the end of his power improvements: He has his mangekyo sharingans, his chakra is decent but nothing compared to Naruto's. He's going to spend most of his energies right now pursuing his own ends (killing the people he hates). Naruto on the other hand has huge chakra reserves, and has shown himself to be better and more focused at training in recent arks. He now knows to use shadow clones to speed his training even faster.

    At this moment Naruto is the underdog. What will make this story interesting is seeing how Naruto gains the power he needs to beat Sasuke in the end. If Naruto was more powerful now and always stayed more powerful, it would be a boring story.
     
         

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    I have several problems with what you said above.

    Speed: I don't care how fast Naruto is in general, I care about how fast he is in comparison to Sasuke. The rivalry between those two is the biggest issue in the whole manga. Remember when Naruto, Sai, and Sakura went to Orochimaru's hideout and found Sasuke? Remember how much faster Sasuke was than Naruto? How he appeared next to him in a heartbeat? How he moved faster than they could even see? Or remember Sasuke's fight against Deidara how he outran explosions? There's no way that right now Naruto is any faster than all that.

    Genjutsu: Maybe the fox is capable of helping, but the junction between Naruto and fox is nowhere near the "perfect union" of the hachibi. The hachibi works together with his tailed beast. The fox works against Naruto. There are only two times when the fox helps Naruto: When naruto loses control of his emotions and lets the fox run free, or when Naruto is about to die and take the fox with him.

    Susanoo: Are Naruto's rasengan more powerful than Sasuke's Kirin attack with the lighting? Sasuke used that attack against Itachi, who blocked it with Susanoo. Several times in the manga it has been described as the "perfect defense", I don't think we can assume that any number of rasengans can just break through it. Maybe this is possible, but we can't just presume it.

    Chakra: Sasuke is reckless with his mangekyo techniques, but he can afford to be. These techniques are so powerful that only one or two of them can usually beat any opponent. I'll raise the question again: What could Naruto do right now, with his current skillset, to avoid or survive Amaterasu? One attack is all it would take to best Naruto right now, he can be as reckless as he wants with it.

    I'll mention again that I really prefer the Naruto character and want him to win in the end. But, at this very point there is no way he's on top. Fortulately, I think Sasuke is at the end of his power improvements: He has his mangekyo sharingans, his chakra is decent but nothing compared to Naruto's. He's going to spend most of his energies right now pursuing his own ends (killing the people he hates). Naruto on the other hand has huge chakra reserves, and has shown himself to be better and more focused at training in recent arks. He now knows to use shadow clones to speed his training even faster.

    At this moment Naruto is the underdog. What will make this story interesting is seeing how Naruto gains the power he needs to beat Sasuke in the end. If Naruto was more powerful now and always stayed more powerful, it would be a boring story.
    Speed: That was Naruto before sage mode, with SM he gets a dramatic speed increase. Sasuke did not outrun the explosion he used Manda to teleport him out of there.

    Genjutsu: The fox will be more willing to help if Naruto let him, plus we don't know how genjutsu works on sage mode. To break a genjutsu you need another source of chakra, and sage mode is comprised of two sources, so in theory he is impervious to genjutsu. Also as Sasukes showed in his fight with Itachi you can break out of Tsukuyomi with force

    Susanoo: You said we assume FRS can break Susanoo, but from my point of view you are assuming that Susanoo is impervious to FRS, isn't that the same as assuming "that any number of rasengans can just break through it". point is we won't know which is stronger until they show us in the manga.

    Chakra: the keyword is USUALLY this does not mean every single time. There is no gurantee that these attacks will always defeat an opponent in two hits, case in point Madara and Danzo. They both lived through these attacks. Sasuke also does not have chakra to waste. In a battle between two powerhouses like Naruto and Sasuke with equal levels of jutsu the last man standing wins, Narut can pull off jutsus that are just as powerful as Sasuke's but he can last longer with his extra reserves of chakra.

    *plus there is no gurantee how long Sasue's eyesight will last
     
         

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    1) I'll go so far as to call it even. The fox has plenty of problems but I won't deny some benefits too.

    2) Not buying it. It's still a limitation and any enemy that can outlast him will win.

    3) ...and every time we've seen Naruto create that many clones to aide in a fight, we see them get cut down like flies. Besides his very first use of the clones in like episode 2, we've never seen 500 clones be useful for anything except tracking and training. 500 clones that explode into dust at the slightest touch are worthless.

    4) ...see below...

    5) They've talked about it. The Manga has only covered a few short years now and ninja aren't exactly sitting around waiting to die from heart disease.

    6) I don't like Sasuke, but that's exactly the point. Sasuke is like Superman: He's got every power, and every time something goes wrong he magically gets a new "ultimate" power. And now he has Mangekyo, which apparently is a bottomless pit of new ultimate powers. Kishi keeps adding abilities to Sasuke, and he's adding them faster than he does to Naruto. Let's ask some real questions:

    How can Naruto possibly defend against Amaterasu? Even in sage mode, if he gets hit he's done for.

    How can Naruto possibly defend against Tsukuyomi? Naruto has always been unable to use genjutsu and unable to defend against it.

    How can Naruto's attacks possibly penetrate Susanoo? It's a "perfect" defense and short-term attack. If Naruto is a melee fighter (and it's been mentioned on several occasions that he is), this is a big problem. Naruto can throw a Rasenshuriken, but this is a huge attack that eats up a lot of chakra. If Susanoo can block a few of these Naruto will be out.

    I don't like it because right now, unless Sasuke loses something or Naruto gains some new skills, it's an uneven fight.
    if u wanna look @ it like sasuke is superman, lets look a little deeper. Superman, like sasuke as all these powers and can pretty much stop everything thrown at him but if u think about it he has one of the biggest weaknesses and he's one of the easiest super heros to kill. hit him with a cryptonite bullet or knife and he's a wrap. so mayb sasuke does have all those powers like superman but mayb he has an equally super weakness. just my thoughts tho.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteknight View Post
    1) I'll go so far as to call it even. The fox has plenty of problems but I won't deny some benefits too.

    2) Not buying it. It's still a limitation and any enemy that can outlast him will win.

    3) ...and every time we've seen Naruto create that many clones to aide in a fight, we see them get cut down like flies. Besides his very first use of the clones in like episode 2, we've never seen 500 clones be useful for anything except tracking and training. 500 clones that explode into dust at the slightest touch are worthless.

    4) ...see below...

    5) They've talked about it. The Manga has only covered a few short years now and ninja aren't exactly sitting around waiting to die from heart disease.

    6) I don't like Sasuke, but that's exactly the point. Sasuke is like Superman: He's got every power, and every time something goes wrong he magically gets a new "ultimate" power. And now he has Mangekyo, which apparently is a bottomless pit of new ultimate powers. Kishi keeps adding abilities to Sasuke, and he's adding them faster than he does to Naruto. Let's ask some real questions:

    How can Naruto possibly defend against Amaterasu? Even in sage mode, if he gets hit he's done for.

    How can Naruto possibly defend against Tsukuyomi? Naruto has always been unable to use genjutsu and unable to defend against it.

    How can Naruto's attacks possibly penetrate Susanoo? It's a "perfect" defense and short-term attack. If Naruto is a melee fighter (and it's been mentioned on several occasions that he is), this is a big problem. Naruto can throw a Rasenshuriken, but this is a huge attack that eats up a lot of chakra. If Susanoo can block a few of these Naruto will be out.

    I don't like it because right now, unless Sasuke loses something or Naruto gains some new skills, it's an uneven fight.
    As far as susanoo goes, just as naruto's move takes up a lot of chakra, all of sasuke's moves take a lot of the same. With naruto having way more than sasuke the chances that naruto would run out b4 sasuke are slim to none. plus the added affect that the more sasuke uses those moves, the closer he gets to blindness.
     
         

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    sasuke vs naruto

    amaterasu: i think naruto could block it by using his clones like what he did against pain. plus he could use his sage mode chakra to deflect it, remember whe punched the fat pain ( i guess it was him) he didn't actually hit him but he use his sage mode chakra as his extension and was able to hit him and throw him away plus he has wind chakra.

    genjutsu: i remember when nagato shoot a black rod towards naruto with several feet away, but with sage mode it didn't work and he was able to pull them out. with the power and will, i think he can use that against genjutsu.

    susanno: i think he can hit sasuke with great timing, one of the jounin was able to break some bones when sasuke was exhausted and running out of chakra and susanno was not fully form.

    chakra: naruto has more upper hand, he has two great sources, kyuubi and nature
     
         

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    i was also thinking, in regards to sasuke vs naruto, that naruto showed us something new when he encountered pain in the last chap. b4 they went into the rewind or whatever they call it. he had those kyyubi/toad eyes. we don't kno what kind of power that mode beholds. Naruto's growth is limitless and the fact that he has been able to learn on the fly and also the ability to learn faster than most because of his shadow clone tech.
     
         

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