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    The idea for characters in ancient myths: Orochimaru/Kukulkan

    I was watching tv few days ago and came across something interesting. It was about ancient gods and mythology. One of the gods who was mentioned in the show was Kukulkan a.k.a "Plumed Serpent" or "Feathered Serpent".
    I immediately thought of Orochimaru because of several similarities... Read it all. It's very interesting.

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    "Kukulkan ("Plumed Serpent", "Feathered Serpent") is the name of a Maya snake deity that also serves to designate historical persons. The depiction of the feathered serpent deity is present in other cultures of Mesoamerica. Kukulkan is closely related to the god Q'uq'umatz of the K'iche' Maya and to Quetzalcoatl of the Aztecs. Little is known of the mythology of this pre-Columbian deity."


    This is obvious. Orochimaru is also represented as some kind of snake master and he himself looks like a snike.

    "In Yucatán, references to the deity Kukulkan are confused by references to a named individual who bore the name of the god. Because of this, the distinction between the two has become blurred. This individual appears to have been a ruler or priest at Chichen Itza, who first appeared around the 10th century. Although Kukulkan was mentioned as a historical person by Maya writers of the 16th century, the earlier 9th century texts at Chichen Itza never identified him as human and artistic representations depicted him as a Vision Serpent entwined around the figures of nobles. At Chichen Itza, Kukulkan is also depicted presiding over sacrifice scenes."


    When Orochimaru fought with Hiruzen. Hiruzen found that Oro isn't human.
    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/121/6 - Left bottom panel.
    It was obvious what he is when he fought Sasuke.


    Sacrificing humans as test subjects is kind of Oro's hobby. He does it for personal interest.
    So, that is also one of similarities Oro has with Kukulkan.

    "Stories are still told about Kukulkan among the modern Yucatec Maya. In one tale, Kukulkan is a boy who was born as a snake. As he grew older it became obvious that he was the plumed serpent and his sister cared for him in a cave. He grew to such a size that his sister was unable to continue feeding him, so he flew out of his cave and into the sea, causing an earthquake. To let his sister know that he is still alive, Kukulkan causes earth tremors every year in July.
    A modern collection of folklore from Yucatán tells how Kukulkan was a winged snake that flew to the sun and tried to speak to it but the sun, in its pride, burnt his tongue. The same source relates how Kukulkan always travels ahead of the Yucatec Maya rain god Chaac, helping to predict the rains as his tail moves the winds and sweeps the earth clean.
    Among the Lacandon Maya of Chiapas, Kukulkan is an evil, monstrous snake that is the pet of the sun god."


    The part where it says that Kukulkan flew to the Sun and the Sun burnt his tongue, may represent Oro as Kukulkan ofcourse and Hiruzen as Sun who burned his tongue/disabled his arms.
    And part with sister may be explanation for Oro's past and why he attacked Konoha. Becasu sister is family member it can also represent his parents.

    Biggest similarity Oro has with Kukulkan is this.
    Kukulkan:


    Oro:


    He also comes out from snakes mouth.

    I hope you like it. Your thoughts?
     
         

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    Re: The idea for characters in ancient myths: Orochimaru/Kukulkan

    nice find very plausible *****

    EDIT:that censored part said + rep idk why it censored
     
         
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    Re: The idea for characters in ancient myths: Orochimaru/Kukulkan

    The only problem is that Kishi uses Japanese mythology. I don't know if you were trying to connect Kishi to this mythology or not though.
     
         

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    Re: The idea for characters in ancient myths: Orochimaru/Kukulkan

    He comes from the ancient ninja foclore story of jirayia... Look it up
     
         

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    Re: The idea for characters in ancient myths: Orochimaru/Kukulkan

    Good find
     
         

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    Re: The idea for characters in ancient myths: Orochimaru/Kukulkan

    Thanks.

    @Yusuke I know that Kishi uses Japanese mythology as bases for his story but it is possible that he also uses stories from other mythologies... In japanese mythology parallel to Kukulkan would be Yamata no Orochi.
    Edit: I found just this similarities that Yamata no Orochi has with Oro.
    1. Name. Yamata no Orochi - Orochimaru.
    2. Yamata no Orochi has 8 heads. Orochimaru's jutsu (eight heads):


    I just found it more interesting that there's more similarity in Maya's mythology than Japanese mythology.
     
         
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    Re: The idea for characters in ancient myths: Orochimaru/Kukulkan

    Quote Originally Posted by recimo View Post
    Thanks.

    @Yusuke I know that Kishi uses Japanese mythology as bases for his story but it is possible that he also uses stories from other mythologies... In japanese mythology parallel to Kukulkan would be Yamata no Orochi.
    I was thinking the same about Kishi as he is more of the Japanese mythology and Shintoism, but your theory of how Kukulkan is similar to Orochimaru, in the Mya's view, is neat.
     
         

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