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    Who deserves redemption the most? Sasuke, Madara, or Obito?

    Ok....Who deserves redemption the most?
    -Sasuke: was considered a criminal from Konoha due to the various crimes that he committed. The crimes can be considered "good" or "bad," depends how you look at it...
    The ones that he did that can be considered "good"
    -Killing Orochimaru who was an S-rank criminal
    -Killed Deidara who was also an S-ranked criminal
    I might be missing some but refresh my memory if y'all won't mind doing por favor
    -I don't think this is considered to be a crime but he stopped Edo Tensei with Itachi!!

    The bad:
    -Betrayed and left Konoha to join the Leaf's most well known traitor (Orochimaru)
    Killed some random fodders here and there
    -Joined the Akatsuki (a well known criminal organization) and dismissed his brother's wish by wanting to destroy Konoha
    -Tried to kill his former team mates (Sakura) and used Karin as a meat shield
    -Disrupted the 5 Kage summit
    -Invaded Kumo and kidnapped Bee in order to obtain the 8 tails

    Ok, I'm no lawyer but this is a hell of a list and after Sasuke's supposed change of heart, I think it would be rather difficult for everyone to accept him with open arms but I'm waiting to see what happens

    -Obito: Obito, Obito, Obito.....Where do I start?
    He sacrificed himself for Kakashi and even gave him his Sharingan but after the shiz-niz that went down later he had a complete change of heart...
    Despite the fact that Madara told him to act under his name, we see that Obito was left in his own devices after that...we're not 100% what Madara told him to do, word for word, but Obito has to be one the biggest criminals ever.
    -Unleashed the 9 tails on the village he was from which led to the deaths of many civilians, fought his former sensei, and the event also led to the death of Kushina, and left Naruto an orphan and a jinchuuriki who faced discrimination throughout his youth.
    -I'm not sure of the timeline but he took control of the Hidden Mist and made the Mizukage his puppet.
    -Helped Itachi slaughter the Uchiha Clan
    -Became a benefactor for the Akatsuki
    -Killed some fodders as well
    -Also infiltrated the 5 kage summit to basically declare War on everyone
    -Killed Konan
    -The war he started contributed to the deaths of many, including Neji

    To me, Obito is the one that seems to be in the point of no return. I do sympathize with him though, (telling Kakashi not to feel guilty)

    -Madara: ummmm I don't consider him "evil" by nature. Then again, I don't think anyone in this series is. But the crimes that Madara committed:
    -In Hashirama's time, he attempted to attack the village he helped established various times
    -Made the Moon's Eye Plan (although it does sound like something with good intentions, but it's not)
    -Killed many fodders in this current war and left the Kages near death

    Can't think of more but please feel free to add some
    To me, Madara uses strength as a way to get his point across. He inherited the ideals of the older son of the SO6P, which is power is the true key towards peace. He cared for his clan and in his own way he cared for Konoha by forcing other villages to obey Konoha (Iwagakure)
    But Madara also seems to be in the point of no return as well...

    So, who deserves redemption the most? And feel free to add something if I'm missing it!
     
         

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    Re: Who deserves redemption the most? Sasuke, Madara, or Obito?

    well it looks like sasuke did the mose obito just laid back and let people do his dirty work and madara idk but to me its between madara and sasuke
     
         

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    Re: Who deserves redemption the most? Sasuke, Madara, or Obito?

    Quote Originally Posted by hernandez93901 View Post
    Ok....Who deserves redemption the most?
    -Sasuke: was considered a criminal from Konoha due to the various crimes that he committed. The crimes can be considered "good" or "bad," depends how you look at it...
    The ones that he did that can be considered "good"
    -Killing Orochimaru who was an S-rank criminal
    -Killed Deidara who was also an S-ranked criminal
    I might be missing some but refresh my memory if y'all won't mind doing por favor
    -I don't think this is considered to be a crime but he stopped Edo Tensei with Itachi!!

    The bad:
    -Betrayed and left Konoha to join the Leaf's most well known traitor (Orochimaru)
    Killed some random fodders here and there
    -Joined the Akatsuki (a well known criminal organization) and dismissed his brother's wish by wanting to destroy Konoha
    -Tried to kill his former team mates (Sakura) and ran a chidori spear through Karin's chest... But she forgave him.
    -Disrupted the 5 Kage summit
    -Invaded Kumo and kidnapped Bee in order to obtain the 8 tails

    Ok, I'm no lawyer but this is a hell of a list and after Sasuke's supposed change of heart, I think it would be rather difficult for everyone to accept him with open arms but I'm waiting to see what happens

    -Obito: Obito, Obito, Obito.....Where do I start?
    He sacrificed himself for Kakashi and even gave him his Sharingan but after the shiz-niz that went down later he had a complete change of heart...
    Despite the fact that Madara told him to act under his name, we see that Obito was left in his own devices after that...we're not 100% what Madara told him to do, word for word, but Obito has to be one the biggest criminals ever.
    -Unleashed the 9 tails on the village he was from which led to the deaths of many civilians, fought his former sensei, and the event also led to the death of Kushina, and left Naruto an orphan and a jinchuuriki who faced discrimination throughout his youth.
    -I'm not sure of the timeline but he took control of the Hidden Mist and made the Mizukage his puppet.
    -Helped Itachi slaughter the Uchiha Clan
    -Became a benefactor for the Akatsuki
    -Killed some fodders as well
    -Also infiltrated the 5 kage summit to basically declare War on everyone
    -Killed Konan
    -The war he started contributed to the deaths of many, including Neji

    To me, Obito is the one that seems to be in the point of no return. I do sympathize with him though, (telling Kakashi not to feel guilty)

    -Madara: ummmm I don't consider him "evil" by nature. Then again, I don't think anyone in this series is. But the crimes that Madara committed:
    -In Hashirama's time, he attempted to attack the village he helped established various times
    -Made the Moon's Eye Plan (although it does sound like something with good intentions, but it's not)
    -Killed many fodders in this current war and left the Kages near death

    Can't think of more but please feel free to add some
    To me, Madara uses strength as a way to get his point across. He inherited the ideals of the older son of the SO6P, which is power is the true key towards peace. He cared for his clan and in his own way he cared for Konoha by forcing other villages to obey Konoha (Iwagakure)
    But Madara also seems to be in the point of no return as well...

    So, who deserves redemption the most? And feel free to add something if I'm missing it!
    Sasuke. Due to him and his extremely helpful undoing of the Edo Tensei and the Revival of the 4 Kage who will take Madara down. Oh fixed the Karin part...

    Like a boss :scorps:
     
         

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    Re: Who deserves redemption the most? Sasuke, Madara, or Obito?

    Well I'd say Sasuke...he's the only one with an actual shot of redemption.

    But in addition, the only one he killed that was plausibly a crime was Danzo...but Danzo was already betraying the interests of Konaha's safety during the Summit...oh and not trying to fight Pain !
     
         

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    Re: Who deserves redemption the most? Sasuke, Madara, or Obito?

    Forgot about that! Thanks
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    Sasuke. Due to him and his extremely helpful undoing of the Edo Tensei and the Revival of the 4 Kage who will take Madara down. Oh fixed the Karin part...

    Like a boss :scorps:
     
         

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    Re: Who deserves redemption the most? Sasuke, Madara, or Obito?

    I say Sasuke still can be forgiven, he hasnt damaged the ninja world at all, has never attacked Konoha, and has only killed those who have caused him pain. In a way, you cant blame sasuke for ending up the way he is. The current world turned him into what he was.

    Madara has always been war bred. And all he knows is power. And has done anything for the sake of his own wish. even now he continues to kill and destroy in order to achieve his own selfish dreams at the expense of others. He cannot be forgiven and needs to be put down for good.

    Obito has attacked konoha, nearly destroying it, created and supported akatsuki in several attacks against all villages, killing many. And has manipulated others to do his dirty work. He has no regard for anyone and will kill and manipulate anyone to achive his goal. He is also beyone forgiving.
     
         

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    Re: Who deserves redemption the most? Sasuke, Madara, or Obito?

    Ummm, redemption is not something you have to deserve. It´s something you do with your life, not something someone else decides, except in the case of the law. Also, it doesn´t matter whether they´re 'fodders' or not, killing is a crime no matter the strength of the person killed. Redemption is when you decide to atone for something and you reach the point of completion of that atonement. Madara and Obito so far haven´t sought that, and Sasuke still doesn´t, he just has a new path right now.
     
         

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    Re: Who deserves redemption the most? Sasuke, Madara, or Obito?

    none of them deserves..they should just go to the end with her initial objectives...
     
         

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    Re: Who deserves redemption the most? Sasuke, Madara, or Obito?

    How about none of them? Death to the traitors.
     
         

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    Re: Who deserves redemption the most? Sasuke, Madara, or Obito?

    well sasuke will get redeemed for sure.

    Obito is on the verge if not soon.

    madara will die a villain.
     
         

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    Re: Who deserves redemption the most? Sasuke, Madara, or Obito?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaScythian View Post
    none of them deserves..they should just go to the end with her initial objectives...
    Dude, I'm reping you for that Emma Watson sig!
     
         

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    Re: Who deserves redemption the most? Sasuke, Madara, or Obito?

    Sasuke followed by Obito then Madara imo.
     
         

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    Re: Who deserves redemption the most? Sasuke, Madara, or Obito?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lukaria View Post
    I say Sasuke still can be forgiven, he hasnt damaged the ninja world at all, has never attacked Konoha, and has only killed those who have caused him pain. In a way, you cant blame sasuke for ending up the way he is. The current world turned him into what he was.

    Madara has always been war bred. And all he knows is power. And has done anything for the sake of his own wish. even now he continues to kill and destroy in order to achieve his own selfish dreams at the expense of others. He cannot be forgiven and needs to be put down for good.














    Obito has attacked konoha, nearly destroying it, created and supported akatsuki in several attacks against all villages, killing many. And has manipulated others to do his dirty work. He has no regard for anyone and will kill and manipulate anyone to achive his goal. He is also beyone forgiving.
    obito didnt create the akatsuki but everything else is good
     
         

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    Re: Who deserves redemption the most? Sasuke, Madara, or Obito?

    None of those guys has earned or wanted redemption. Having a difficult life does NOT mean you are entitled to happiness.

    But out of all of them the one that is most deserving of a CHANCE at redemption is Sasuke. He's ****ed shit up the least and I think he can make the best turnaround.
     
         

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    Re: Who deserves redemption the most? Sasuke, Madara, or Obito?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lukaria View Post
    I say Sasuke still can be forgiven, he hasnt damaged the ninja world at all, has never attacked Konoha, and has only killed those who have caused him pain. In a way, you cant blame sasuke for ending up the way he is. The current world turned him into what he was.
    That's complete and total retardation. That's like saying it's okay for a mass murderer to have done his crimes if he was abused as a child, or his family was murdered or something along those lines.

    Idiot. It all comes down to choice. Sasuke chose to commit treason, he chose to murder people. Now he should accept the consequences and die with whatever dignity he has left.
     
         

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    Re: Who deserves redemption the most? Sasuke, Madara, or Obito?

    I say madara
    Cos he can always draw out a settlement plan, he has all d tools

    Sasuke can cos only raikage has officially put him down as wanted "dead or alive"

    Obito *now I have to laugh really hard* not a chance.

    Do understand redemption isn't given but earned
     
         

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    Re: Who deserves redemption the most? Sasuke, Madara, or Obito?

    Let's look it on the flip side; why should they be thrown scraps of redemption from a such a corrupt, ruthless, arbitrary, and callous ninjas system and its leaders - factions as well - whose hands are tainted with the blood of countless innocents? I think they can do just fine without such an insidious ninja system and its lopsidedly gross ethos.
     
         

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    Re: Who deserves redemption the most? Sasuke, Madara, or Obito?

    Quote Originally Posted by bcity View Post
    I say madara
    Cos he can always draw out a settlement plan, he has all d tools

    Sasuke can cos only raikage has officially put him down as wanted "dead or alive"

    Obito *now I have to laugh really hard* not a chance.

    Do understand redemption isn't given but earned
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    Re: Who deserves redemption the most? Sasuke, Madara, or Obito?

    Quote Originally Posted by shelke View Post
    Let's look it on the flip side; why should they be thrown scraps of redemption from a such a corrupt, ruthless, arbitrary, and callous ninjas system and its leaders - factions as well - whose hands are tainted with the blood of countless innocents? I think they can do just fine without such an insidious ninja system and its lopsidedly gross ethos.
    Dis....................................
     
         

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    Re: Who deserves redemption the most? Sasuke, Madara, or Obito?

    Sasuke but thats only if he wants it of course
     
         

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    Re: Who deserves redemption the most? Sasuke, Madara, or Obito?

    None of them desire redemption Obito is bat s*** crazy, madara is well dead, and Sasuke never said he regretted anything he has done so far besides stabbing Karin and he might also regret trying to kill Team 7, but redemption was never his goal. Sasuke's sole drive right now is to succeed his brother's will of protecting the village.
     
         

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    Re: Who deserves redemption the most? Sasuke, Madara, or Obito?

    Obito, he doesn't have a heart give him a break.
     
         

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    Re: Who deserves redemption the most? Sasuke, Madara, or Obito?

    Quote Originally Posted by shelke View Post
    Let's look it on the flip side; why should they be thrown scraps of redemption from a such a corrupt, ruthless, arbitrary, and callous ninjas system and its leaders - factions as well - whose hands are tainted with the blood of countless innocents? I think they can do just fine without such an insidious ninja system and its lopsidedly gross ethos.
    so true! Never thought of it that way....great choice of words by the way
     
         

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    Re: Who deserves redemption the most? Sasuke, Madara, or Obito?

    obito oh yeah
     
         

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