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    What if Gamabunta and those toads were never summoned?

    Whenever Naruto has summoned those Toads. They have a special time limit. Which we don't know how much or what it is. It can be either decided by their chakra, or an actual time limit. We only know that they maybe can't leave until that time limit is gone. When Gamabunta was first summoned he said so himself. Since he was summoned might as well take a stroll until his time runs out. It can either mean 2 things.
    1. He wanted to stay.
    2. He couldn't go back.

    But what if Naruto doesn't summoned the Toads? What if they walk to Konoha or wherever there location is. Does the time limit still affect them? or can they stay there as long as they wish?
     
         

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    Re: What if Gamabunta and those toads were never summoned?

    I think summoning animals have an obligation to stay with the person who summoned them until they sustain severe damage or are given permission to return. That has always been my understanding of it anyway.
     
         

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    Re: What if Gamabunta and those toads were never summoned?

    ...I never knew there was a time limit.
     
         

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    Re: What if Gamabunta and those toads were never summoned?

    Maybe there's a time limit to how long you have to stay with the person who summoned you till you can go back.
     
         

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    Re: What if Gamabunta and those toads were never summoned?

    Quote Originally Posted by ~Puppet Master~ View Post
    ...I never knew there was a time limit.
    There is. When Naruto fought Gaara, Gamabunta said "I wish I could see it to the end, but it looks like my time is up."
     
         

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    Re: What if Gamabunta and those toads were never summoned?

    There's no time limit. The stroll that Gamabunta took only happened in the anime, not the manga.
     
         

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    Re: What if Gamabunta and those toads were never summoned?

    Quote Originally Posted by ballerjordan View Post
    Maybe there's a time limit to how long you have to stay with the person who summoned you till you can go back.
    No, I mean what if they walked there from Mount Myoboku? Can they stay there as long as the frogs wish?
     
         

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    Re: What if Gamabunta and those toads were never summoned?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Savior View Post
    There is. When Naruto fought Gaara, Gamabunta said "I wish I could see it to the end, but it looks like my time is up."
    No he was just almost out of chakra so he went back.
     
         

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    Re: What if Gamabunta and those toads were never summoned?

    Quote Originally Posted by 6ari8 View Post
    No he was just almost out of chakra so he went back.
    but he wanted to see it. Why didn't he just stay?
     
         

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    Re: What if Gamabunta and those toads were never summoned?

    Time limit was implied/hinted in manga.
     
         

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    Re: What if Gamabunta and those toads were never summoned?

    It could be due to the fact that Naruto cannot summon without Kurama chakra. Perhaps that has something to do with it.
     
         

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    Re: What if Gamabunta and those toads were never summoned?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaScythian View Post
    Time limit was implied/hinted in manga.
    Exactly ^^^
     
         

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    Re: What if Gamabunta and those toads were never summoned?

    Time limit?Maybe but never heard of it.
     
         

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    Re: What if Gamabunta and those toads were never summoned?

    Quote Originally Posted by shelke View Post
    It could be due to the fact that Naruto cannot summon without Kurama chakra. Perhaps that has something to do with it.

    An idiotic idea.
     
         

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    Re: What if Gamabunta and those toads were never summoned?

    No time limit, they normally leave when the job is done or when injured bad enough they leave for aid among their kind, after all not all Medical Ninjas have the training for animal care especially if their giants like Toads,Snakes and Slugs, think their bandage requirements would empty out a hospital.
     
         

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    Re: What if Gamabunta and those toads were never summoned?

    Quote Originally Posted by 6ari8 View Post
    An idiotic idea.
    Nope. Naruto is incapable of Summoning without Kurama's chakra. In fact, he even summoned Kurama's chakra for FRS during his fight with Kakuzu outside SM.
     
         

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    Re: What if Gamabunta and those toads were never summoned?

    Quote Originally Posted by shelke View Post
    Nope. Naruto is incapable of Summoning without Kurama's chakra. In fact, he even summoned Kurama's chakra for FRS during his fight with Kakuzu outside SM.
    Are you stupid? He only had to use a very small portion of Kurama's chakra Vs. Kakuzu because he's been f**** training nonstop for a few days just before coming to face him, he was almost out of chakra at the time so he had to use it, just like what happens when Sasuke tries to draw chakra when he didn't have anymore and the CS reacts. As for his need of Kurama's chakra for summoning is pure speculation and makes absolutely no logical sense.
     
         

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    Re: What if Gamabunta and those toads were never summoned?

    Quote Originally Posted by 6ari8 View Post
    Are you stupid? He only had to use a very small portion of Kurama's chakra Vs. Kakuzu because he's been f**** training nonstop for a few days just before coming to face him, he was almost out of chakra at the time so he had to use it, just like what happens when Sasuke tries to draw chakra when he didn't have anymore and the CS reacts. As for his need of Kurama's chakra for summoning is pure speculation and makes absolutely no logical sense.
    Perhaps the 'stupid' joke is on you, as Naruto lacks chakra control BECAUSE of Kurama's chakra. He cannot summon without it. As far as FRS is concerned, then it possesses more range and better destructive power, not in Base Mode, but in SM.

    The technique was incomplete at this point - http://www.mangapanda.com/93-343-5/n...apter-338.html . Here he calls upon Kurama's chakra - http://www.mangapanda.com/93-343-6/n...apter-338.html to form Shadow Clones for FRS - http://www.mangapanda.com/93-344-6/n...apter-339.html . Then forms them here again to counter Kakuzu's mid-ranged attacks - http://www.mangapanda.com/93-344-10/...apter-339.html .

    He called upon it, to increase its strength as according to Yamato, he only managed or learned half of the technique - http://www.mangapanda.com/93-345-2/n...apter-340.html . FRS is most ranged and effective in SM. Get your head out of your ass and stop with the funny and kiddy name calling. It makes you look infinitely idiotic. If you want to correct someone, you can do so with links and arguments as well.

    P.s: Oh yeah, his eyes are slits which means he only used a 'small portion' of Kurama's chakra? Nice hind-quarters pull.
     
         

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    Re: What if Gamabunta and those toads were never summoned?

    Quote Originally Posted by shelke View Post
    Perhaps the 'stupid' joke is on you, as Naruto lacks chakra control BECAUSE of Kurama's chakra. He cannot summon without it. As far as FRS is concerned, then it possesses more range and better destructive power, not in Base Mode, but in SM.

    The technique was incomplete at this point - http://www.mangapanda.com/93-343-5/n...apter-338.html . Here he calls upon Kurama's chakra - http://www.mangapanda.com/93-343-6/n...apter-338.html to form Shadow Clones for FRS - http://www.mangapanda.com/93-344-6/n...apter-339.html . Then forms them here again to counter Kakuzu's mid-ranged attacks - http://www.mangapanda.com/93-344-10/...apter-339.html .

    He called upon it, to increase its strength as according to Yamato, he only managed or learned half of the technique - http://www.mangapanda.com/93-345-2/n...apter-340.html . FRS is most ranged and effective in SM. Get your head out of your ass and stop with the funny and kiddy name calling. It makes you look infinitely idiotic. If you want to correct someone, you can do so with links and arguments as well.

    P.s: Oh yeah, his eyes are slits which means he only used a 'small portion' of Kurama's chakra? Nice hind-quarters pull.
    You didn't answer any thing. What is the logic behind him not being able to summon using his own chakra? When he was training with Jiraiya, before he even met with Kurama, he was able to summon small toads because he wasn't very skilled with chakra control at the time. So how can he not summon using his own chakra? As for FRS, like I said, he was exhausted at the time because he was training nonstop for a few days making thousands of clones and pouring chakra in each one to create FRS. Because of that, his own chakra was drained and that's why they needed Yamato to be there because if Naruto's OWN chakra goes too low he wouldn't be able to restrain Kurama and he'd try to take over Naruto like Oro took over Sasuke. I'm not sure why you went on about whether the tech was incomplete or that it's most ranged or whatever.

    P.S: Yeah it was a small portion, if he used a decent amount he would've got the cloak or his whiskers and hair would change.
     
         

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    Re: What if Gamabunta and those toads were never summoned?

    ^ Post a single image here where he is able to summon bigger toads - no one is counting tad-poles here and the lesser toads - without Kurama's chakra. He lacks control because of the opposing chakra, which is why he cannot summon it in Base mode. This is also the reason as to why he couldn't even break out of Itachi's 30 % clone's finger genjutsu. He lacks control.

    Note the links that I posted, his technique was half learned and he could manage a very small spiral. He called upon Kurama's chakra to make the technique more potent as it only lasted a couple of seconds and the spiral was very very small. I added on this FRS incident to give weight to my argument in regards to this Chakra's potential and how it works independent of control or lack there of.

    The cloak happens when the chakra begins to completely over whelm him. This incident was like that time with Neji.
     
         

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