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    [Theory] Invincibility in MS users/Yata

    A lot of people say that Yata mirror isn't invincible because nothing is invincible. Well, we already have 3 characters that can become completely invincible against any attack: Obito, Minato, and Danzo. If even a guy like Danzo can survive any TBB, wouldn't it be a shame that the man who ended the Uchiha clan has no such feat?

    it's not logically impossible that Yata is invincible. It could work in a similar way to Obito's intagebility. Yata probably forms a barrier in reality. For example, if itachi encases himself in Yata completely, he essentially exists in a pocket dimension just like obito when he becomes intangible from kamui. The difference is that for Yata, the dimension is much more superimposed with the surrounding environment. In Obito's case, he is somewhat superimposed with the environment since, 1) he is still visible, 2) there has to be a way to connect the bloodflow, brain signals etc to his body parts on earth.

    This fits with my other theory: MS users generally have a feat that makes them somewhat invincible. Obito can survive any attack via Kamui/Izanagi; Kakashi can one shot anyone with Kamui; Shisui can one shot anyone with Koto; Amaterasu users can almost one shot anybody etc.

    So would it be so surprising that Yata provides an invincible defense? It would not be completely op. It would work like Obito's intangibility; complete invincibility for a few minutes, then ended by exhausting too much chakra.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Invincibility in MS users/Yata

    All characters you have just named are not invincible...
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Invincibility in MS users/Yata

    where was yata when itachi was absorbed by nagato's chibaku tensi ?
    where was yata when itachi was affected by tayua's sound ginjutsu ?
    where was yata when itachi was affected by kabuto's light and sound jutus ?

    why yata didn't make this jutus lose its meaning?
    do you know why yata wasn't able to counter all that? i know
    that is because all of these attacks is untouchable(light,sound,gravity)so kamui as them ,it is untouchable jutus
    untouchable attacks>yata

    databook said that kakshi's kamui is unmatched and no defense can counter it

    kishi here was talking about old kakashi's kamui ,what about current kakashi's kamui which doesn't need to be gathered for ,and can warp objects instantly without even sharingan notices

    kakashi can even warp itachi while he is inside susano without warping any part of susano as kamui depend on concentrating by mind (kakashi was able to warp hatchibi although he was in kuarma's cloak,kuarma's cloak didn't block kamui)
    yata >touchable attacks ,but untouchable attacks>yata
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Invincibility in MS users/Yata

    MS user's are invincible you say..?
    Open up my siggy and give it a watch to see my opinion on this.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Invincibility in MS users/Yata

    Yata Mirror being able to block anything was a statement from the databook, the same book that has statements saying there is no defense against certain attacks. So claiming Yata blocks anything is just picking the hype to suits your bias and ignores the rest. It's just a hyperbole.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Invincibility in MS users/Yata

    yes i think it is invincible....it`s only flaw is that it cant be used for very long.but 5 minutes still isnt so bad...
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Invincibility in MS users/Yata

    I've never said that these characters are invincible. They just become invincible momentarily.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Invincibility in MS users/Yata

    I'm the only one who is remember that
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Invincibility in MS users/Yata

    No, MS users are not invincible
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Invincibility in MS users/Yata

    There not invincible if:
    -they have limited chakra
    -they've been injured
    -they died
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Invincibility in MS users/Yata

    with regards to chibaku tensei, I think it bypasses Yata since it's gravity. Even if Yata forms a pocket dimension, it's a dimension that is highly super imposed with the surroundings, meaning things like sound, gravity etc can get through.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Invincibility in MS users/Yata

    Shisui is dead,so no.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Invincibility in MS users/Yata

    Man people hate itachi so much that you'll probably see many replies that have no logic in them but will argue otherwise
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Invincibility in MS users/Yata

    There are flaws to everything beyond simple intervals in time, or durations of usage, proven when Kakashi struck Obito inside his own dimension. Simply because a weakness as well as much of the background of something has yet to be explained beyond hyperbole and themed entertainment does not immediately mean that it is invincible.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Invincibility in MS users/Yata

    lol hence why Hashirama defeated madara right???
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Invincibility in MS users/Yata

    Midday, maybe. But it's not surprising if it was invincible. Obito's can defend against anything, Danzo can too. Whats so hard about adding one more to the list. Itachi is especially more renown than Danzo. Itachi at least qualifies to be a legendary ninja.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Invincibility in MS users/Yata

    even rennigan is not invincible. yata mirror is nothing compared to naruto.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Invincibility in MS users/Yata

    So, what happens if Kamui is used against Yata? Doesn't this create a conflict in your argument?
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Invincibility in MS users/Yata

    Quote Originally Posted by Senju Bean View Post
    Midday, maybe. But it's not surprising if it was invincible. Obito's can defend against anything, Danzo can too. Whats so hard about adding one more to the list. Itachi is especially more renown than Danzo. Itachi at least qualifies to be a legendary ninja.
    And there is no doubt in his being a legendary ninja, and I am not arguing characters as I love Itachi...I am debating the constant claims of invincibility that are only possibilities and not ultimate fact where others claim them immediately as infallible fact.
     
         

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    Re: [Theory] Invincibility in MS users/Yata

    Madara is more of a mix. He is not completely invincible in offense or defense, but makes up for it by being "almost" invincible in both regards. That is, sure he can't one shot like kakashi can, but he can take out entire armies and nearly every ninja that ever existed with his PS sword.
     
         

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