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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

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    Been playing Oblivion lately?

    That line is actually the most spoken one in that game if you ask me
    Aint played that in months but its an awsome game :D
     
         

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    Well yamato and kakashi were ex root members and look at them they go against danzo to help naruto because they believe in him, and they have friends in the village, i just dont think root members are heartless and will abandon danzo and see him for what he really is.
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    but like someone else pointed out on here that the root and the anbu are to different groups yamato and kakshi were assigned to the hokage will the root are just memebers of the new police force i beleive
    Yeah, just what i said, even though i wasn`t 100 % sure.
    But really now, if you remember back to the first time we saw Sai, his teacher or something tested him, and from the looks of it root is very deep and dark. There may be some good guys there, but there may also be an evil part of Root.

    Remember Danzo founded Root for a reason, and he even has sealed every members` tounge. Who knows what more he has sealed, he might have some sort of mind controll seal on every member whice he can release at any time.

    One thing that may be of little worth. But i remember reading somewhere that in the 2nd (or so) Naruto official databook that Sai wanted to fight Kakashi in a real battle.

    Well, if Danzo has the ability to to what i described above, then maybe that fight can become real. But as i suggested, we might never know what Danzo has up his sleevs
     
         
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    Nice to see so many new members on the forum btw:D Its like the "creating a new accont rate" went up with 75% after the latest chapter

    Its actually cool to have someone else commenting than just(mostly) me and Pervy Sage.
    Must say that i miss Riuka Hime though (Being sarcastic for the first time).
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by SageD View Post
    Finally someone else sees my point about and also with the hypervenlating thing lets not forget when madara was telling about the story behind itachi life did the samething. Also you are also right i do like character just because it is like u say necessairy for the story to go on and are total opposites but they show the two sides of every person and i can't wait till there final showdown because i know will win. Also this seems like a perfect time to bring back into the story since yamato is taking back to the village and is still searching for this maybe that long awaited coversation that we have been waiting for since confession.
    I totally agree. Hinata deserves recognition for her confession...we haven't even seen her since soon after it. Although I think there is a small possibility that such a conversation has already taken place and just hasn't been shown to us and we will see it in flashback...though it is a small possibility.

    Also, I have a question about Danzo's mokuton...mokuton is a kekkai genkai, right? Its a combination of two styles (water and earth) just like Haku's Ice jutsu is a combo of water and wind? So, my question is...why does Haku's kekkai genkai seem to have been passed down through his family line (though it is unclear whether his mother possessed it or not) while the Shodai's is only his? As both kekkai genkai, should they not both pass down through the family, though not necessarily every member getting it? And hence, could it not be possible that Tsunade (who we have never seen use ninjutsu i believe) and/or her brother also possess mokuton? Or even the Nidaime (who used water jutsu...one half of the mokuton)? I'm just curious if anyone knows why there seems to be a discrepancy here.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by The Pervy Sage View Post
    Izanagi is real

    I was right itachi is still dead :D
    Each sharingan is like a life and he releases each sharingan instead of dying :D

    Also oro working with danzo i guessed as much never mind he has the first hokages dna

    And if madara is right and he can control the fox maybe he made the fox attack the village, blamed the uchiha to get rid of them and obtain there power.

    Sasukes new susanoo form is awsome :D
    OMG! i don't believe it IZANAGI! congrats to rukia hime and Ruler Micheal ... and it was Danzo who was using it ! such a gay turn of events i must also say extremely dissappointed with the 17 page failure that i had to wait 3 weeks for NICE also to see me and pervy sage called itachi ! no way he'd be brought back overall i must say very very upset that 3 weeks wait brought this crap ... lot of useless fighting nothing really was learned about danzo and his sharingan and now another cliffhanger about what exactly kishi wants to make izanagi do ... so gay ... so gay ... sorry everyone just was a shat manga to have after a 3 week wait no futher ahead then we were last month
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruler Michael View Post
    Nice to see so many new members on the forum btw:D Its like the "creating a new accont rate" went up with 75% after the latest chapter

    Its actually cool to have someone else commenting than just(mostly) me and Pervy Sage.
    Must say that i miss Riuka Hime though (Being sarcastic for the first time).
    Well, I was on hiatus for a while

    But yeah.. Genjutsu was gay <.<
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

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    I dont think MS is something that can merely be copied, i think theres a way to unlock MS through either hard work or emotions and most of the uchiha miss understood the bit about killing someone close to them, let me explain...

    The uchiha's believe you have to kill you best friend or someone to gain the MS but i dont think killing them is the bit that unlocks it, i think its the emotional tear inside them which does it, and people like itachi just thought of it in the wrong way...

    So maybe kakashi couldnt save a comrade whos close to him and in anger he unlocked it to beat an opponent, and this is why he has it...

    My reasons for saying this is that everytime sasuke gets angry he gets a new MS ability...

    As for danzo i dont think he would have the power to control people without having the MS, ive never seen it done, if ive missed it please show me

    I guess u may be right but its not convincing. anyway thanks man
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Its been said that the only clan who were able to stand against the mighty Uchiha Clan was the Senju Clan. But how were the Senju able to deal against the Uchiha. Well i'm not talking about the First Hokage who defeated Madara, he was able to control the tailed beast and also had wood element technique(even though i dont believe this 2 was gud enough to beat someone like Madara) but wat abt the rest of the senju clan. Not everybody had these special abilities. Its said Uchiha have the mind (or eye i dont know) and senju had the body.so i guess every senju had huge amounts of chakras but that still is not good enough to defeat someone as strong as the Uchihas. If that was the case we have to say Kisame was stronger than Itachi which is not the case. So there has to be a special technique the Senju used that the Sharingan and the MS were not able to cope up against. i think if thats the case Naruto will agains resume his training to learn the techniques that the Hashirama used to beat Madara.

    Ok i've wondering for a while where r the senjus i mean uchiha n senju made treaty with each other and made a alliance with the fire country that means all the senjus and uchihas are suppose to be in Konoha. So except all the Uchihas and other clan who had their different bloodline limit (such as Hyuuga) the rest must be senju. But i find it differently , there is no person whose name begins with Senju . I know the name doesn't matter as Tsunade the granddaughter of the First doesnt have Senju in her name. if thats the case they must have huge amounts of chakras as Senjus are suppose to have but there r only a few who have huge chakras in Konoha. i know Naruto is a Senju who have huge chakra plus the fact that Madara himself said that he sees the First in Naruto. So that also means the 4th was also a senju. Therefore Tsunade, Minato , Naruto and maybe Jiraiya are the only Senjus
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Sennin Jinchuuriki View Post
    I guess u may be right but its not convincing. anyway thanks man
    Well how can danzo controll people then?
    How does kakashi have MS?

    How does it explain all that then :P
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Sennin Jinchuuriki View Post
    Its been said that the only clan who were able to stand against the mighty Uchiha Clan was the Senju Clan. But how were the Senju able to deal against the Uchiha. Well i'm not talking about the First Hokage who defeated Madara, he was able to control the tailed beast and also had wood element technique(even though i dont believe this 2 was gud enough to beat someone like Madara) but wat abt the rest of the senju clan. Not everybody had these special abilities. Its said Uchiha have the mind (or eye i dont know) and senju had the body.so i guess every senju had huge amounts of chakras but that still is not good enough to defeat someone as strong as the Uchihas. If that was the case we have to say Kisame was stronger than Itachi which is not the case. So there has to be a special technique the Senju used that the Sharingan and the MS were not able to cope up against. i think if thats the case Naruto will agains resume his training to learn the techniques that the Hashirama used to beat Madara.

    Ok i've wondering for a while where r the senjus i mean uchiha n senju made treaty with each other and made a alliance with the fire country that means all the senjus and uchihas are suppose to be in Konoha. So except all the Uchihas and other clan who had their different bloodline limit (such as Hyuuga) the rest must be senju. But i find it differently , there is no person whose name begins with Senju . I know the name doesn't matter as Tsunade the granddaughter of the First doesnt have Senju in her name. if thats the case they must have huge amounts of chakras as Senjus are suppose to have but there r only a few who have huge chakras in Konoha. i know Naruto is a Senju who have huge chakra plus the fact that Madara himself said that he sees the First in Naruto. So that also means the 4th was also a senju. Therefore Tsunade, Minato , Naruto and maybe Jiraiya are the only Senjus
    Firstly there are ways to beat all of the sharingan, plus uchihas dont have much stamina in my eyes and to use there best techniques they kind of have to suffer, and senju are awsome and dont share the name senju like azuma
    Plus you have to remember man clans joins the village after the formation like the hyuuga clan :D
    I dont think the ones you mentioned are the only senjus, there are also kohnahamru but maybe the senju clan is dying out just like the uchiha and all the senju clan will die and it will end with naruto and sasuke fighting as the last of there clans :D
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by The Pervy Sage View Post
    Firstly there are ways to beat all of the sharingan, plus uchihas dont have much stamina in my eyes and to use there best techniques they kind of have to suffer, and senju are awsome and dont share the name senju like azuma
    Plus you have to remember man clans joins the village after the formation like the hyuuga clan :D
    I dont think the ones you mentioned are the only senjus, there are also kohnahamru but maybe the senju clan is dying out just like the uchiha and all the senju clan will die and it will end with naruto and sasuke fighting as the last of there clans :D
    I do believe how it went was the so6p gave rinnegan to one son over the years of inter-breeding it was diluted into a bakugan and then it mutated into a sharingan lol
    the senju clan was given stamina and the will of fire (lots of chakra)
    It has been hinted but not yet confrimed that Naruto is infact a senju so i would wait on that he ha said to posses the same will that the frist did not his DNA btw this is really terrible sharingan seem to be abundant in the naruverse and now oro and danzo are in together hahaha he has the frist's DNA with all those sharingans WTF ! kishi is insane ! hahaha all these op'd charactors and all naruto has is clones and rasengans COME ON GIVE NARU THE FTG ! ! ! FTG FTW ! ! ! !(flying thunder god) for those who don't know FTG :P
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by BigBen View Post
    I do believe how it went was the so6p gave rinnegan to one son over the years of inter-breeding it was diluted into a bakugan and then it mutated into a sharingan lol
    the senju clan was given stamina and the will of fire (lots of chakra)
    It has been hinted but not yet confrimed that Naruto is infact a senju so i would wait on that he ha said to posses the same will that the frist did not his DNA btw this is really terrible sharingan seem to be abundant in the naruverse and now oro and danzo are in together hahaha he has the frist's DNA with all those sharingans WTF ! kishi is insane ! hahaha all these op'd charactors and all naruto has is clones and rasengans COME ON GIVE NARU THE FTG ! ! ! FTG FTW ! ! ! !(flying thunder god) for those who don't know FTG :P
    He will get his dads tech in the end :D
    The sage of the 6 paths gave his body/chakra to one son and sharingan to the elder son, then the fought over it.
    The rinnengan wasnt meant to be passed down, Pain got it because he was like the sages reincarnation kind of which was set up to remind him about he can only save the world by stopping the revenge :D

    NARUTO SHOULD GET FLYING THUNDER GOD TECH!!!! lol
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Sennin Jinchuuriki View Post
    Its been said that the only clan who were able to stand against the mighty Uchiha Clan was the Senju Clan. But how were the Senju able to deal against the Uchiha. Well i'm not talking about the First Hokage who defeated Madara, he was able to control the tailed beast and also had wood element technique(even though i dont believe this 2 was gud enough to beat someone like Madara) but wat abt the rest of the senju clan. Not everybody had these special abilities. Its said Uchiha have the mind (or eye i dont know) and senju had the body.so i guess every senju had huge amounts of chakras but that still is not good enough to defeat someone as strong as the Uchihas. If that was the case we have to say Kisame was stronger than Itachi which is not the case. So there has to be a special technique the Senju used that the Sharingan and the MS were not able to cope up against. i think if thats the case Naruto will agains resume his training to learn the techniques that the Hashirama used to beat Madara.
    That's a really good poing Hashirama possessed Mokuton and several tailed beasts, so it's conceivable that he could beat Madara 1 on 1. It's strange though when you think that Madara's Mangekyo could be used to suppress and even control the tailed beasts that Hashirama owned, but we can ignore that for now. However, the rest of the clan poses more of a problem.

    Madara didn't say he was the only Uchiha to have Mangekyo. He just said he was the first (with his brother). Itachi also said that the clan's history was stained with the blood of friends killing friends and brothers taking eyes from brothers, so it's conceivable that other Uchiha had MS as well.

    But let's look at it a different way, and things start to be a little bit strange. Madara (and his brother) is supposed to be the first Uchiha to get the Mangekyo. However, that was only about 100 years ago. Is it possible that several other Uchiha gained MS after Madara did, but that in the time of Sasuke and Itachi the technique was basically forgotten? That only 100 years later no Uchiha (except Madara) had a Mangekyo before Itachi got his?

    Itachi says that the clan's history is stained with blood of people killing each other for MS and EMS, we have to assume that either (a) Itachi is lying and nobody tried to kill each other, or (b) lots of people did it and then MS would be more common than it is now.

    That's an interesting topic, but a little bit diverted from my initial point. Might Guy had a technique of fighting without looking the opponent in the eye, which he developed specifically to fight sharingan users. This kind of technique works well except for two things: (1) Sharingan users can predict movements and attacks and (2) Sharingan users can read and instantly learn handsigns for new jutsus.

    To win a large-scale battle the entire Senju clan must either have been trained to fight without looking into the opponent's eyes, or use a series of jutsus that don't require handsigns (like Kekki Genki). Only Hashirama is mentioned to have any kekki genki among the Senju, and only Might Guy appears able to fight without looking at the eyes, and Might Guy claims to have developed that style himself. If his ancestors developed a whole style of fighting for that purpose, you would think they would keep a record of it somewhere and more people than just Might Guy would be aware of it.

    Maybe the Senju had some other ability that allowed them to combat sharingan users. Maybe the Senju had a special (but apparenly not recorded) fighting style designed to defeat sharingans. Maybe the Senju were more plentiful and could overwhelm the Uchiha with sheer numbers. Maybe because of their larger chakra reserves they were able to use huge-scale techniques that the Uchiha could not replicate. Rasengan is the type of technique that doesn't use hand-signs (so the Uchiha cannot easily replicate it) and uses a huge amount of chakra that non-senju could not use too many times in a single day. Of course, Rasengan wasn't invented until much later, but similar types of pure-chakra-control attacks could have existed.

    I won't ramble anymore but you're right that the idea of fighting the entire Uchiha clan and winning is a logistical improbability for a group of "normal" ninja without kekki genki of their own. Sharingan eyes have too many abilities and provide too many advantages to fight against them in a fair, even fight.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    at no point in the chapter did it say that Izanagi was a Mangekyou Sharingan technique. For all we know, Sasuke was going to be taught that when he was older, but due to some little "incident" which we all know about, it never happened.
    As for Itachi coming back, if you fell for that you're an idiot. He's dead and gone (much to my sadness) and it was fairly evident that illusions were at work.
    what I'm concerned about it the face that has appeared on Danzo's shoulder... any ideas?
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Sennin Jinchuuriki View Post
    Its been said that the only clan who were able to stand against the mighty Uchiha Clan was the Senju Clan. But how were the Senju able to deal against the Uchiha. Well i'm not talking about the First Hokage who defeated Madara, he was able to control the tailed beast and also had wood element technique(even though i dont believe this 2 was gud enough to beat someone like Madara) but wat abt the rest of the senju clan. Not everybody had these special abilities. Its said Uchiha have the mind (or eye i dont know) and senju had the body.so i guess every senju had huge amounts of chakras but that still is not good enough to defeat someone as strong as the Uchihas. If that was the case we have to say Kisame was stronger than Itachi which is not the case. So there has to be a special technique the Senju used that the Sharingan and the MS were not able to cope up against. i think if thats the case Naruto will agains resume his training to learn the techniques that the Hashirama used to beat Madara.

    Ok i've wondering for a while where r the senjus i mean uchiha n senju made treaty with each other and made a alliance with the fire country that means all the senjus and uchihas are suppose to be in Konoha. So except all the Uchihas and other clan who had their different bloodline limit (such as Hyuuga) the rest must be senju. But i find it differently , there is no person whose name begins with Senju . I know the name doesn't matter as Tsunade the granddaughter of the First doesnt have Senju in her name. if thats the case they must have huge amounts of chakras as Senjus are suppose to have but there r only a few who have huge chakras in Konoha. i know Naruto is a Senju who have huge chakra plus the fact that Madara himself said that he sees the First in Naruto. So that also means the 4th was also a senju. Therefore Tsunade, Minato , Naruto and maybe Jiraiya are the only Senjus

    concerning your point about itachi vs kisame, its not that said above contradicts one another, its just that kisame has more chakra and itachi has better skills. undoubtedly, kisame had huge amounts of chakra and in all likelyhood much greater than itachi's. but chakra alone is not sufficient to win a battle.

    about your point on senju vs uchiha, senju probably had some tech that prevents the user from being caught in a genjutsu. take out genjutsu, what are the uchiha left with? mostly fighting skills and copy cat skills. very few actually achieved the mangekyo; so that takes out susanoo, amaterasu, tsukiyomi.

    i agree with most of your assumptions concerning who's senju and whatnot. and i also wonder where the hell are the other senjus? you'd figure a city run by senju is filled by senju...

    about the 478 release, i think danzou's eyes acts as lives; closed ones seem to revive him and do not reopen. madara says he sees 10 eyes on his arm, but he didnt account for the one under his eyepatch and possibly scattered on his body. maybe has a sharingan penis? hypno-sperm no-jutsu causes the infant to be born as a slave controlled telepathically or have a curse placed upon them, like sai and any other root member. all children bore from danzou himself.

    danzou's definitely a badass seeing as he finally caught madara's attention. what ive been asking myself lately is why did he bother to tell the kages his plans? even if the plan was already set in motion as he claims it was, its really not prudent to reveal your said intentions, regardless of how strong you are. which leads me to my next point: if madara's only a form of his former self, i.e. not as strong as before, why give out your plan despite such a handicap??

    my conclusion is that he merely told them a false story to get them in a mode of panic, probably to cause internal affairs. if thats the case, then mugen tsukiyomi was a joke? or maybe variation of izanagi, izanami?
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

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    at no point in the chapter did it say that Izanagi was a Mangekyou Sharingan technique. For all we know, Sasuke was going to be taught that when he was older, but due to some little "incident" which we all know about, it never happened.
    As for Itachi coming back, if you fell for that you're an idiot. He's dead and gone (much to my sadness) and it was fairly evident that illusions were at work.
    what I'm concerned about it the face that has appeared on Danzo's shoulder... any ideas?
    it doesnt state specifically that izanagi isnt a mangekyo ability, but madara says that this ability is banned even amongst the uchiha, so its definitely a sharingan ability.

    and i highly doubt itachi's gone for sure. even if we never see him again, he left naruto with a gift. and at the time he discovers what this gift really was, he will probably be having a flashback of itachi, and so yes we will end up seeing him regardless.

    why so hate?
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoshimitsu View Post
    it doesnt state specifically that izanagi isnt a mangekyo ability, but madara says that this ability is banned even amongst the uchiha, so its definitely a sharingan ability.

    and i highly doubt itachi's gone for sure. even if we never see him again, he left naruto with a gift. and at the time he discovers what this gift really was, he will probably be having a flashback of itachi, and so yes we will end up seeing him regardless.

    why so hate?
    look honestly i think people should give up on the idea of itachi coming back. look what happened the last time, we waited for 3 weeks, only to see that it was a simple genjutsu.

    Dont get me wrong, i want itachi to come back, even for a short while. Unfortunately that is really unlikely.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruler Michael View Post
    I have suddenly so much to write, so this probobly going to take awhile.

    First of all i would like to give Pervy Sage cred:o But You haven`t won yet, Itachi will be back later, it`s just too early for a comeback right now

    Second of all i would like to start where BigBen left of in the last prediction thread:

    "Anyone who has seen kakashi fight knows he has more then 2
    He can use water attacks
    chidori lightning attacks
    fire attacks and also earth style
    the only thing i have never seen him do is a wind attack but 4 out of 5 is why kakashi makes people crap themselfs
    he studied under the 4th so no doubt he is a animal too"


    Well, Kakashi has lightning element. But all the rest can be copyed techniques.
    Remember that he`s the copy Sharingaan Kakashi after all.
    Well when he fought Zabusa he copyed his water dragon tech. as we have seen him use later on.
    He could probobly copyed a Uchiha member`s fire tech. whice he used when he tested Naruto and Sakura in the beginning of Shippuuden.

    And when did he use earth element?:confused: Can`t really remember that

    Kakashi also used Wind element when he was training with Naruto and he used Rasengan.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Sennin Jinchuuriki View Post
    Hi everyone. The last chapter was awesome though many people are extremely disappointed that Itachi didn't came back.

    If u guys look at Kakashi's case everyone knows that he has the MS. In order to awaken the Mangekyou Sharingan one has to kill someone very close to that person. I don't think Kakashi can do it. My theory is that Kakashi copied Itachi's MS. I know it sounds weird but when team 7 was going to rescue Gaara they fought Itachi. And Itachi said to Kakashi I quote "Kakashi u couldn't have" and then Kakashis said " Itachi how bad has your eyesight become" i think what Itachi wanted to say was u couldn't have copied my MS. Kakashi is afterall "THE COPY NINJA"

    I would like to see others opinions abt this. If there are any flaws plz tell me
    I agree with you and good facts to support your statement. Kakashi copied Itachi's MS. If you look at the timeline from when he first used it (from your comments), no one close to him had died up to that point. Itachi copied the MS from Itachi and since then has been working to develop it. Itachi has the ability to use all elements and this is also due to his copy techniques. He's just very advanced in terms of what he can copy. Quite a few people believe otherwise, but they don't have the facts to back it up.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by The Pervy Sage View Post
    Right i dont hate sasuke i hate what kishi has done with his character, he used to be my favourite character but now i dont like him for several reasons:
    Well, if I had a favorite character that went the wrong way, I do believe that I wouldn't turn my back on the character because of his/her choices. I would definitely be disappointed but not a change of heart like you.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Pervy Sage View Post
    1. when he doesnt get his own way he gets a new power without really working for it
    That makes illogical sense, in my opinion. I mean, the Sharingan/Mangekyou techniques are released through emotion. In other words, whenever Sasuke or somebody(s) he cares for is in a critical moment his Mangekyou seems to then be able to reach its peak and he attains whatever this kekkei genkai can offer.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Pervy Sage View Post
    2. hes always angry and its kind of anoying when he keeps going on about revenge and how he believe everything madara says
    That is incorrect, he is not always in an angered mood but if you still insist then please do show me the times. Wow, when was this? Did you mean pre-time skip era? He rather than "keeps going on about revenge" like you quoted, simply says who he wants to kill and tries to accomplish it, end of story. That isn't confirmed, I mean to say that he has done/said several things since that tweaked truth was exposed by Madara that can sway you the other way from believing that Sasuke took in all that he said. With the fact that Madara himself said to Zetsu that Sasuke was difficult to manipulate.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Pervy Sage View Post
    Also im not going to stop reading the manga because i want to see what kishi will do with Naruto and Sasuke in the future, i want sasuke to start questioning madara and Naruto to start to have faith in himself again and get on with things.
    Wow, dude you need to read the manga closely but I'll help you out, please do take a look below:

    Naruto 401 | Read naruto chapter 401 manga online | Manga Share
    Naruto 401 | Read naruto chapter 401 manga online | Manga Share
    Here we have Sasuke doubting what Madara said due to the memory of Itachi and in my opinion was the very beginning of Sasuke's distrust/faithlessness.

    Naruto 402 | Read naruto chapter 402 manga online | Manga Share
    Here we have Sasuke's most famous quote of them all but Madara is around as usual and could have easily been said to have Madara think/believe that he is on his side.

    Naruto 453 | Read naruto chapter 453 manga online | Manga Share
    Chotto matte, didn't you said that Sasuke believed everything he said? Then why is he here refusing an order and instead attacks him rather than obey him? (...I wonder why?)

    Naruto 453 | Read naruto chapter 453 manga online | Manga Share
    Whoa, for always being mad like you said, here we see Sasuke questioning why happened to Konoha in shock/disgust/sorrowful as he just found out that Danzou is the new Hokage.

    Naruto 453 | Read naruto chapter 453 manga online | Manga Share
    What a surprise, Madara quotes "A wise choice" as he is very pleased, although we all know where his priority lied (Danzou obviously as he mostly defended/evaded all other Kages)

    Naruto 475 - Read Online at Manga Stream
    If Sasuke believed in him as well as being manipulated, shouldn't Sasuke have said something along the lines of "Hai Madara-sama?".

    With all of these pages, reveals a different side to Sasuke, if you look close enough, Sasuke appears to be saying/doing something or never complies with what he states while Madara is around at the time and how Sasuke has back-stabbed/attacked him.

    Even so, this isn't confirmed, it is damming evident enough to have you think that Sasuke believing in Madara completely may only be a possibility.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Pervy Sage View Post
    Also i dont think sasuke has suffered enough, he chose to carry on and live a vengeful lifestyle and revenge just breeds more hate and hes currupting the world, and for that he should suffer
    Okay, first off, he only wants to eliminate Danzou/elders as far as he has gone in the manga. I rather think of it as Sasuke is ridding the Naruto world of the "corrupting" villains who are only out for their own benefits/dominating subete (everything) hence Danzou/elders and Madara eventually.
     
         

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