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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by zed View Post
    Its my opninion but i think Naruto characters from strongest to less strong is as follows:
    Pain: He defeated Jiraya!!
    Jiraya: I think he was more powerfull than itachi (specially in sage mode as genjutsu wont work on him due to sage frogs and rest he can handle... i think)
    Itachi: Didn't fought sasuke on his full potential
    Then comes Naruto and Sasuke (both seem to be equally powerful to me)

    I havn't added many other characters!!! cuz cant think of them right now:P
    hey pain defeated jiraya(but he didnt know pain's secrets.....if he had known it jiraya would have won)...........jiraya was powerful than both itachi and kisame(itachi mentioned it)......but sasuke did not beat itachi..........but naruto defeated pain...............
    naruto>pain>jiraya>itachi>sasuke.....

    you final conclusion is wrong...........naruto is far powerful than sasuke
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    one things for sure , next time we see shikamaru fight someone, he wont even need to do hand seals anymore , thats how smart he is lol , he will have a constant 24/7 kage bunshin of himself that if attacked will automatically capture u in his shadow move and then detonate , GFG
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Sennin Jinchuuriki View Post
    The fact that Pain was the leader of Akatsuki not Itachi proves that Pain was stronger than Itachi. Well we never saw Itachi using his true powers as he never intended to kill Sasuke. However Jiraiya in my view is stronger than Itachi, remember Itachi saying "taking him head on will not be good even if we increase our numbers" but Oro never got a chance of beating Itachi and at the same time we heard and saw Oro and Jiraiya fought n no one was able to win( i think Jiraiya tried not to kill him first and when fighting alongside Tsunade he was could only use 30% of his chakra) its quite weird.

    Also Danzou doesn't have the Izanagi proves that u dont have the MS then u need more than two sharingan eyes to use it
    Finally my guess on Kakashi getting or awakening MS is that he copied Itachi's MS or his Sharingan remembers the MS powers so he was able to use it. I heard some poeople saying that each person's MS powers vary(like Kakashi can use dimentional jutsu) i agree with that. Same goes for the Sharingan. In my view Kakashi's (Obito's) Sharingan is the ultimate when its come to copying.

    in the fight between jiraya,tsunade and oro, just before that, jiraya's chakra was fully destroyed by tsunade's potion .............so only jiraya was able to use only 30% of his chakra otherwise he would have won........
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Naruto_Lee View Post
    man u agreed with me that sasuke is not a genius............but now why are you mentioning sasuke as a born genius............just say like this sasuke is born with a gift............his birth in that clan itself was a useful gift for them....................i told this thing before 5 discussions ..........
    He was born ot be a genius with his kekkei genkai but hes thrown it all away now and is an idiot because his thoughts are clouded with revenge
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

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    Jiraya is quite powerful, definitely more poweful than Tsunade I think. At least, his power was focused more on fighting and hers more on healing.

    Naruto did master Sage mode better than Jiraya, but Jiraya could fuse with the frogs and use sage mode for longer. Jiraya could also create Rasengan without clones, and had been using the technique for years. We have to assume his improved control would have made him better with it in a close fight (Imagine how much better Naruto will get with them this year!)

    Naruto did beat Pain, but using the information that Jiraya and the rest of the villages gathered about him. Even with that info, it was a well-matched fight. It only tipped in Naruto's favor when Hinata got involved and set off Naruto's emotional reaction to turn into the 8-tail fox. Without that, Pain wouldn't have exhausted as much chakra and likely would have won in the end.

    So in the end, I think your rankings are probably accurate, but they do leave out some other key characters, and they are also incomplete. We can't just rank based on "who would win in a fight", because different characters have different strengths and weaknesses. Naruto has more strength and power than Danzou has, but in a fight I think Danzou would win because of the ability gap in using genjutsu. We have to consider strength, power (chakra reserves), jutsus, weaknessess, stamina, etc. If we held a Tournament ("who would win in a fight") tomorrow, I think these would be nearly the results:

    1) Pain
    2) Killer Bee
    3) Kisame
    4) Jiraya
    5) Itachi
    6) Madara
    7) Kakashi
    8) Sasuke
    9) Danzou
    10) Naruto
    11) Jugo
    12) Tsunade

    Other Akatsuki members, though powerful, were already killed by people in this list or lower. As for #1 and #2 above, it's a crapshoot whether Pain or Killer Bee would win if they fought each other. I suspect Pain would, but that's just a wild guess.

    Also, if we ranked in terms of sheer power (ignoring the outcomes of individual battles) I think the rankings change significantly (I keep the numbers the same as above to compare):

    2) Killer Bee
    10) Naruto
    3) Kisame
    1) Pain
    4) Jiraya
    11) Jugo
    12) Tsunade
    5) Itachi
    8) Sasuke
    7) Kakashi
    9) Danzou
    6) Madara

    My rankings for Madara are speculative because we haven't seen him do much fighting, only heard how Itachi described him ("shell of his former self"). Naruto has a crap-ton of power and potential, but is lacking the training and techniques to completely utilize it. In sage mode he can kill one of Pain's bodies with one punch. Killer Bee has a perfect pairing with his tailed beast, and that gives him lots of power (and we've seen him fight, he's stood his ground against Kisame 1:1, and against all of Taka). Kakashi is talented but his chakra reserves can be depleted quickly. Danzou has cool techniques but has shown he needs to conserve chakra. Tsunade isn't a fighter, but has a lot of chakra available for healing and summoning. Jugo has power, but we haven't seen the extent of it yet. Pain had enough chakra to power 6 bodies, who each were more powerful than several konoha warriors, and because of his many bodies he's extremely difficult to fight against fairly. Kisame is powerful, but it appears most of his ability is tied to his sword (and the sword did decide to help Killer Bee in the fight).

    Somewhere in there I should include the Raikage and Gaara too, but we haven't seen enough of them recently to make comparisons. We also haven't seen Kabuto since he absorbed the remains of Orochimaru. I suspect he will be quite strong. I can't think of anybody who would really be added to both lists.
    man u are completely wrong ..................if naruto have not changed into the fox he still had three sage mode clones ..............so he could have made pain exhaust............the transformation disturbed his regular flow of chakra........................so the result will be

    1.madara
    2.naruto
    3.pain
    4.jiraya
    5.itachi
    6.danzou
    7.kb
    8.sasuke
    9.juugo
    10.tsunade

    hey remember itachi mentioned that himself and kisame was not equal to jiraya.............then how can u say that kisame is powerful than jiraya.............and even kisame only obeyed itachi's orders..............so itachi must have been than kisame..........
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by The Pervy Sage View Post
    He was born ot be a genius with his kekkei genkai but hes thrown it all away now and is an idiot because his thoughts are clouded with revenge
    may be...................but i dont think so
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

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    may be...................but i dont think so
    what do you think then?
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    guys this is what i found about izanagi,susanoo,tsukayomi,ametarasu

    n Japanese mythology, Susanoo, the powerful storm of Summer, is the brother of Amaterasu, the goddess of the sun, and of Tsukuyomi, the god of the moon. All three were spawned from Izanagi, when he washed his face clean of the pollutants of Yomi, the underworld. Amaterasu was born when Izanagi washed out his left eye, Tsukuyomi was born from the washing of the right eye, and Susanoo from the washing of the nose.
    The oldest sources for Susanoo myths are the ca. 680 CE Kojiki and ca. 720 CE Nihon Shoki. They tell of a long-standing rivalry between Susanoo and his sister. When he was to leave Heaven by orders of Izanagi, he went to bid his sister goodbye. Amaterasu was suspicious, but when Susanoo proposed a challenge to prove his sincerity, she accepted. Each of them took an object of the other's and from it birthed gods and goddesses. Amaterasu birthed three women from Susanoo's sword while he birthed five men from her necklace. Claiming the gods were hers because they were born of her necklace, and the goddesses were his, he decided that he has won the challenge, as his item produced women. The two were content for a time, but Susanoo, the Storm God, became restless and went on a rampage destroying his sister's rice fields, hurled a flayed pony at her loom, and killed one of her attendants in a fit of rage. Amaterasu, who was in fury and grief, hid inside the Ama-no-Iwato ("heavenly rock cave"), thus effectively hiding the sun for a long period of time.
    Though she was persuaded to leave the cave, Susanoo was punished by being banished from Heaven. He descended to the province of Izumo, where he met an elderly couple who told him that seven of their eight daughters had been devoured by the eight-headed serpent Yamata no Orochi and it was nearing time for their eighth, Kushinada-hime (櫛名田比売?). The Nihon Shoki gives the most detailed account of Susanoo slaying the Yamata no Orochi. Compare the Kojiki version where Chamberlain (1919:71-3) translates Susanoo as "His-Swift-Impetuous-Male-Augustness.
    Then [His-Swift-Impetuous-Male-Augustness] descended from Heaven and proceeded to the head-waters of the River Hi, in the province of Izumo. At this time he heard a sound of weeping at the head-waters of the river, and he went in search of the sound. He found there an old man and an old woman. Between them was set a young girl, whom they were caressing and lamenting over. Sosa no wo no Mikoto asked them, saying: "Who are ye and why do ye grieve lament thus?" The answer was: "I am an Earthly Deity, and my name is Ashi-nadzuchi. My wife's name is Te-nadzuchi. This girl is our daughter, and her name is Kushinada-hime. The reason of our weeping is that formerly we had eight children, daughters. But they have been devoured year after year by an eight-forked serpent and now the time approaches for this girl to be devoured. There is no means of escape for her, and therefore do we grieve. His-Swift-Impetuous-Male-Augustness said: "If that is so, wilt thou give me thy daughter?" He replied, and said: "I will comply with thy behest and give her to thee." Therefore His Swift-Impetuous-Male-Augustness on the spot changed Kushinada-hime into a many-toothed close-comb which he stuck in the august knot of his hair. Then he made Ashi-nadzuchi and Te-nadzuchi to brew eight-fold sake, to make eight cupboards, in each of them to set a tub filled with sake, and so to await the arrival its coming. When the time came, the serpent actually appeared. It had an eight-forked head and an eight-forked tail; its eyes were red, like the winter-cherry; and on its back firs and cypresses were growing. As it crawled it extended over a space of eight hills and eight valleys. Now when it came and found the sake, each head drank up one tub, and it became drunk and fell asleep. Then Sosa no wo no Mikoto drew the ten-span sword which he wore and chopped the serpent into small pieces. When he came to the tail, the edge of his sword was slightly notched, and he therefore split open the tail and examined it. In the inside there was a sword. This is the sword which is called Kusa-nagi no tsurugi. (tr. Aston 1896:1:52-53)
    This sword from the dragon's tail, the Ama-no-Murakumo-no-Tsurugi ("Sword of the Gathering Clouds of Heaven") or the Kusanagi-no-Tsurugi ("Grasscutter Sword"), was presented by Susanoo to Amaterasu as a reconciliation gift. According to legends, she bequeathed it to her descendant Ninigi along with the Yata no Kagami mirror and Yasakani no Magatama jewel or orb. This sacred sword, mirror and jewel collectively became the three Imperial Regalia of Japan.
    [edit]Izumo

    While Amaterasu is enshrined at the Honden Shrine or "Grand Shrine", which is at the entrance to the Ise Shrine, Susano'o is enshrined at Kumano Taisha located in Shimane (formerly the Izumo region), where he descended when banished from heaven.

    Evil god of storms
    SUSANOO:
    Abode the seas
    Parents Izanami and Izanagi
    Siblings Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi
    Children five gods
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Pain can beat them all...i think Nagato still have some unknown techniques even without the six paths...
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by The Pervy Sage View Post
    what do you think then?
    man u may be right..........but he was genius only bcaz of his sharinan.........thas my thought.........
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    guys if u want more info on powers of ms,just go to en.wikipedia.org and type individual names
    like tsukuyomi,amaterasu,susanoo,izanagi,izanami,yomi,e tc..............just visit if u want any good info but is lenghty...............orelse use a search engine to search wikipedia and get the necessary info.......and pls tell me whether it is useful or not.............
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by The Pervy Sage View Post
    Thats not hard training, he was born with a KG that allows him to instantly copy techniques, he was born a genius and doesnt have to work hard, on the other hand naruto works and trains hard because he cant just copy his technique, sasuke is jsut lucky!
    This is true. Genius will take you to a certain point. Sasuke rose fast, but can't rise as high as a hard-working Naruto can, in time. Sasuke isn't interested in any training, he's on the path to revenge only. Revenge doesn't give a person time to train, learn, reflect, etc.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Danzo had his eye bandaged since they Ambushed Yashiko, Konan, and Nagato..Do you guys think he already had sharingans on his arm that time???
    and what do you think was Hanzo and Danzo's plans??? why did they collaborate???
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Naruto_Lee View Post
    man u are completely wrong ..................if naruto have not changed into the fox he still had three sage mode clones ..............so he could have made pain exhaust............the transformation disturbed his regular flow of chakra........................so the result will be

    1.madara
    2.naruto
    3.pain
    4.jiraya
    5.itachi
    6.danzou
    7.kb
    8.sasuke
    9.juugo
    10.tsunade

    hey remember itachi mentioned that himself and kisame was not equal to jiraya.............then how can u say that kisame is powerful than jiraya.............and even kisame only obeyed itachi's orders..............so itachi must have been than kisame..........
    I can admit to being wrong on some of them but not "completely" wrong.

    I don't know why you put Madara on top. Yes he was powerful when he fought Hashirama...100 years ago. Itachi said Madara was only a shell of his former self, and if we are going to believe everything Itachi says about Jiraya we have to believe what he says about Madara too. Itachi is an infalliable reference or he is not.

    Naruto didn't join the battle against Pain until after Pain had spent a large amount of chakra destroying the village. He did fight Pain 1:1, and was losing. Pain put a sword through his hands and 6 chakra antenna things in his body. Naruto was captured and defeated until Hinata got involved and caused Naruto to go completely Fox crazy. Then, Naruto only kept his cool and was able to continue the fight against Pain because Minato appeared in his mind and helped him gain control.

    Naruto didn't beat Pain alone. He was only about to beat Pain with help from Minato, Hinata, the frogs, and the information from all the villagers. Even then, he almost lost. He only had two sage-clones, he used one early in the fight and the Fox made the other disappear.

    Also, I did say that Jiraya was more powerful than Itachi. However, Kisame was powerful enough to almost beat the Hachibi by himself. We've never had Jiraya and Kisame side-by-side, but we can do a lot of comparisons. Killer Bee is extremely powerful (was able to almost beat all of Taka by himself), and Kisame almost beat Killer Bee. Would Jiraya have done so well? I don't think we will ever know. I stand by my rankings.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by baah View Post
    Danzo had his eye bandaged since they Ambushed Yashiko, Konan, and Nagato..Do you guys think he already had sharingans on his arm that time???
    and what do you think was Hanzo and Danzo's plans??? why did they collaborate???
    I think the last ninja war happened before Itachi's massacre. We don't have a good timeline on that, however.

    Danzou could have lost his eye like Kakashi, and not replaced it with a sharingan later. We don't know the timeline, but I don't think he had his sharingans back then (at least not all of them).
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    People, about how Kakashi unlocked the MS.

    Maybe it has something to do with Rin? We never got to know what happend to her, and Kakashi has said that he failed Obito`s wish to defend her or something. Maybe she died in his arms and Kakashi unlocked the MS, only that he hasn`t used it again, untill against Deidara.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Naruto_Lee View Post
    man u may be right..........but he was genius only bcaz of his sharinan.........thas my thought.........
    I agree with you then
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by zed View Post
    I agree with most of your ranking but i wont add Madara and Danzo just now, as we havn't seen their full potential.... also i wud put Itachi above Kisame and below KB (assuming that both KB and Kisame dont have Samheda) :D
    We have seen Madara and Danzou fight, though not much. I think we all can assume that Sasuke isn't going to die fighting Danzou. We know from the Kishi interview that the Naruto vs Sasuke fight will be the last thing in the series and will be big. You can't kill Sasuke now.

    So there are two options for the fight:
    1) Danzou loses (Sasuke is stronger)
    2) Danzou runs away (Sasuke won't run because he has Madara to back him up if things get too rough)

    On the power rankings we know that Danzou is running out of steam and Sasuke keeps going. On the fight rankings, we know that he is lower than Sasuke for the reasons I listed above. So we know he is lower than Sasuke, but we don't know exactly where he falls. I made a guess.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruler Michael View Post
    People, about how Kakashi unlocked the MS.

    Maybe it has something to do with Rin? We never got to know what happend to her, and Kakashi has said that he failed Obito`s wish to defend her or something. Maybe she died in his arms and Kakashi unlocked the MS, only that he hasn`t used it again, untill against Deidara.
    I swear it said somewhere that rin became and anbu?
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by baah View Post
    Danzo had his eye bandaged since they Ambushed Yashiko, Konan, and Nagato..Do you guys think he already had sharingans on his arm that time???
    and what do you think was Hanzo and Danzo's plans??? why did they collaborate???
    danzo and hanzo probs just agreed to team up because nagato and his friends were getting too strong and they would have a truce to kill them...
     
         

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