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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteknight View Post
    I can admit to being wrong on some of them but not "completely" wrong.

    I don't know why you put Madara on top. Yes he was powerful when he fought Hashirama...100 years ago. Itachi said Madara was only a shell of his former self, and if we are going to believe everything Itachi says about Jiraya we have to believe what he says about Madara too. Itachi is an infalliable reference or he is not.

    Naruto didn't join the battle against Pain until after Pain had spent a large amount of chakra destroying the village. He did fight Pain 1:1, and was losing. Pain put a sword through his hands and 6 chakra antenna things in his body. Naruto was captured and defeated until Hinata got involved and caused Naruto to go completely Fox crazy. Then, Naruto only kept his cool and was able to continue the fight against Pain because Minato appeared in his mind and helped him gain control.

    Naruto didn't beat Pain alone. He was only about to beat Pain with help from Minato, Hinata, the frogs, and the information from all the villagers. Even then, he almost lost. He only had two sage-clones, he used one early in the fight and the Fox made the other disappear.

    Also, I did say that Jiraya was more powerful than Itachi. However, Kisame was powerful enough to almost beat the Hachibi by himself. We've never had Jiraya and Kisame side-by-side, but we can do a lot of comparisons. Killer Bee is extremely powerful (was able to almost beat all of Taka by himself), and Kisame almost beat Killer Bee. Would Jiraya have done so well? I don't think we will ever know. I stand by my rankings.
    the first point i put madara on top is bcaz he can use only one jutsu to dodge all ninjutsu attacks and i dont think any genjutsu will work on him.........

    and one more thing is..........u say that kyuubi,frogs,minato,hinata was helpful for naruto in the fight with pain........i agree............i............like wise nagato's all pain is helpful for him................if nagato is one on one with naruto,definitely naruto will win .............
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteknight View Post
    I think the last ninja war happened before Itachi's massacre. We don't have a good timeline on that, however.

    Danzou could have lost his eye like Kakashi, and not replaced it with a sharingan later. We don't know the timeline, but I don't think he had his sharingans back then (at least not all of them).
    no what if danzo ordered itachi to kill shisui and taken those eyes
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Naruto_Lee View Post
    no what if danzo ordered itachi to kill shisui and taken those eyes
    the ninja war ended, then there was the kyuubi attack and the 4th died then there was the uchiha masacre....
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Naruto_Lee View Post
    no what if danzo ordered itachi to kill shisui and taken those eyes
    Danzou DID order Itachi to kill the Uchiha. How he collected the eyes after that is unimportant.

    Jiraya/Tsunade/Orochimaru fought in the last ninja war, and they were very young. In the current manga I think Tsunade is like 60ish. Itachi is older than Sasuke but only by a few years. Here's a general timeline that I think makes sense:

    35 yrs ago: Jiraya becomes jonin (15-20 yrs old, I would guess), trains Minato
    30 yrs ago: Last ninja War. 3rd Hokage in power, Minato is Jonin in charge of Kakashi, Rin, Obito
    28 yrs ago: Itachi born,
    20 yrs ago: Minato becomes Hokage
    16 yrs ago: Fox attacks Konoha (Naruto born, Sasuke born in similar time, they are the same age)
    10 yrs ago: Uchiha massacre (Sasuke would have been about 5-6, Itachi about 18-19). Danzou gets most of his Sharingans

    By this timeline, Jiraya was about 50-60 yrs old when he died, Kakashi is about 40-45. Itachi was about 25-30 when he died. Naruto and Sasuke are both about 16-18. We could even move the time of the ninja war up and make Itachi younger, but he must have been at least 16ish when he massacred the Uchiha (I would guess he had to be at least 18, but that's just a guess).

    We know that Minato fought in the last ninja war, and that he was the team leader for Kakashi, Obito and Rin. We also know that Minato died when Naruto was born (at least 16 years ago). We know the Uchiha massacre happened later, when Sasuke and Naruto were about 5-6. So Danzou could not have had all his sharingans during the war.

    This seems reasonable to me, but we don't have any confirmation that I am aware of.
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteknight View Post
    Danzou DID order Itachi to kill the Uchiha. How he collected the eyes after that is unimportant.

    Jiraya/Tsunade/Orochimaru fought in the last ninja war, and they were very young. In the current manga I think Tsunade is like 60ish. Itachi is older than Sasuke but only by a few years. Here's a general timeline that I think makes sense:

    35 yrs ago: Jiraya becomes jonin (15-20 yrs old, I would guess), trains Minato
    30 yrs ago: Last ninja War. 3rd Hokage in power, Minato is Jonin in charge of Kakashi, Rin, Obito
    28 yrs ago: Itachi born,
    20 yrs ago: Minato becomes Hokage
    16 yrs ago: Fox attacks Konoha (Naruto born, Sasuke born in similar time, they are the same age)
    10 yrs ago: Uchiha massacre (Sasuke would have been about 5-6, Itachi about 18-19). Danzou gets most of his Sharingans

    By this timeline, Jiraya was about 50-60 yrs old when he died, Kakashi is about 40-45. Itachi was about 25-30 when he died. Naruto and Sasuke are both about 16.

    This seems reasonable to me, but we don't have any confirmation that I am aware of.
    all correct but kakashi is only about 25-30 at the oldest
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by The Pervy Sage View Post
    all correct but kakashi is only about 25-30 at the oldest
    That could be possible. Here's a revised timeline that would make Kakashi about 35 years old:

    30 yrs ago: Jiraya becomes jonin (15-20 yrs old, I would guess), trains Minato
    28 yrs ago: Itachi born
    20 yrs ago: Last ninja War. 3rd Hokage in power, Minato is Jonin in charge of Kakashi, Rin, Obito
    17 yrs ago: Minato becomes Hokage
    16 yrs ago: Fox attacks Konoha (Naruto born, Sasuke born in similar time, they are the same age)
    10 yrs ago: Uchiha massacre (Sasuke would have been about 5-6, Itachi about 18-19). Danzou gets most of his Sharingans

    That's a little bit compressed, but not impossible. Do we really think Kakashi is in his 20s? I can't think of a timeline that makes this possible. I think he has to be about 35 at the least.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteknight View Post
    That could be possible. Here's a revised timeline that would make Kakashi about 35 years old:

    30 yrs ago: Jiraya becomes jonin (15-20 yrs old, I would guess), trains Minato
    28 yrs ago: Itachi born
    20 yrs ago: Last ninja War. 3rd Hokage in power, Minato is Jonin in charge of Kakashi, Rin, Obito
    17 yrs ago: Minato becomes Hokage
    16 yrs ago: Fox attacks Konoha (Naruto born, Sasuke born in similar time, they are the same age)
    10 yrs ago: Uchiha massacre (Sasuke would have been about 5-6, Itachi about 18-19). Danzou gets most of his Sharingans

    That's a little bit compressed, but not impossible. Do we really think Kakashi is in his 20s? I can't think of a timeline that makes this possible. I think he has to be about 35 at the least.
    That seems better, also it makes sence of how many people Achknowlege kakashi for the jutsu he can do for his age
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteknight View Post
    Danzou DID order Itachi to kill the Uchiha. How he collected the eyes after that is unimportant.

    Jiraya/Tsunade/Orochimaru fought in the last ninja war, and they were very young. In the current manga I think Tsunade is like 60ish. Itachi is older than Sasuke but only by a few years. Here's a general timeline that I think makes sense:

    35 yrs ago: Jiraya becomes jonin (15-20 yrs old, I would guess), trains Minato
    30 yrs ago: Last ninja War. 3rd Hokage in power, Minato is Jonin in charge of Kakashi, Rin, Obito
    28 yrs ago: Itachi born,
    20 yrs ago: Minato becomes Hokage
    16 yrs ago: Fox attacks Konoha (Naruto born, Sasuke born in similar time, they are the same age)
    10 yrs ago: Uchiha massacre (Sasuke would have been about 5-6, Itachi about 18-19). Danzou gets most of his Sharingans

    By this timeline, Jiraya was about 50-60 yrs old when he died, Kakashi is about 40-45. Itachi was about 25-30 when he died. Naruto and Sasuke are both about 16-18. We could even move the time of the ninja war up and make Itachi younger, but he must have been at least 16ish when he massacred the Uchiha (I would guess he had to be at least 18, but that's just a guess).

    We know that Minato fought in the last ninja war, and that he was the team leader for Kakashi, Obito and Rin. We also know that Minato died when Naruto was born (at least 16 years ago). We know the Uchiha massacre happened later, when Sasuke and Naruto were about 5-6. So Danzou could not have had all his sharingans during the war.

    This seems reasonable to me, but we don't have any confirmation that I am aware of.
    wasnt sasuke about 7 or 8 when his family was murdered by like a 13 year ole itachi?????
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Rishawn View Post
    wasnt sasuke about 7 or 8 when his family was murdered by like a 13 year ole itachi?????
    I thought itachi was about 15 when he joined the anbu then there was the uchiha masacre later?
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by The Pervy Sage View Post
    I thought itachi was about 15 when he joined the anbu then there was the uchiha masacre later?
    whea did it say this???? and i swear i seen tha age on sum site who knows i could be wrong
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Itachi Uchiha - Narutopedia, the Naruto Wiki dis is whea i get my info from
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Rishawn View Post
    Itachi Uchiha - Narutopedia, the Naruto Wiki dis is whea i get my info from
    I only go on there sometimes
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by The Pervy Sage View Post
    I only go on there sometimes
    :D i can see dat
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    I had a thought about Naruto's hyperventilating....what if he's pulling what he did at the chunin exams? Meaning...he fakes hyperventilating so that he "passes out" and when he hits the ground he replaces himself with a shadow clone so the real him can hide in the ground? You'd think maybe kakashi wouldn't be thinking Naruto would do something clever like that as he's worried about Naruto being sick from the hyperventilating. The idea is that when they leave the real Naruto is free to explore and look for Sasuke on his own and try to prevent the leaf Nin from taking out Sasuke (or trying to take him out before they all get majorly pwn3d. Let's be honest...what are they thinking trying to take him on? I'm def. not a Sasuke fanboy but he's out of their league).

    Then again maybe I'm annoyed Naruto is acting like a little punk and passing out like that...and would rather have a better explanation than "he got emotional and passed out." He's Naruto, not a 15 year old girl meeting the Jonas brothers in person.

    thoughts?
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by DukeDevil View Post
    I had a thought about Naruto's hyperventilating....what if he's pulling what he did at the chunin exams? Meaning...he fakes hyperventilating so that he "passes out" and when he hits the ground he replaces himself with a shadow clone so the real him can hide in the ground? You'd think maybe kakashi wouldn't be thinking Naruto would do something clever like that as he's worried about Naruto being sick from the hyperventilating. The idea is that when they leave the real Naruto is free to explore and look for Sasuke on his own and try to prevent the leaf Nin from taking out Sasuke (or trying to take him out before they all get majorly pwn3d. Let's be honest...what are they thinking trying to take him on? I'm def. not a Sasuke fanboy but he's out of their league).

    Then again maybe I'm annoyed Naruto is acting like a little punk and passing out like that...and would rather have a better explanation than "he got emotional and passed out." He's Naruto, not a 15 year old girl meeting the Jonas brothers in person.

    thoughts?
    I dont think that makes any sence lol, why would kishi put all this emotional stress on naruto now just to have him fake passing out? lol

    Your probably just angry that naruto hasnt done anything for the last 30 chapters like i am
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteknight View Post
    I'm not remembering that information about Shisui. Do you know where in the manga they mentioned that?
    Hmm, I can't remember exactly when they mentioned Shisu being the teleporter, but I am pretty sure they said it once when they were accusing Itachi about his murder, and again during the Kage meeting when Ao found out Danzo had his eye.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by The Pervy Sage View Post
    I dont think that makes any sence lol, why would kishi put all this emotional stress on naruto now just to have him fake passing out? lol

    Your probably just angry that naruto hasnt done anything for the last 30 chapters like i am
    oh I completely agree that I'm annoyed that naruto has moved a total of 4 feet in the last dozen chapters...but passed out? really? that would be like goku spending 20 episodes in DBZ powering up a spirit bomb and then it ending with a destructo disk....all that buildup for nothing.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by The Pervy Sage View Post
    I dont think that makes any sence lol, why would kishi put all this emotional stress on naruto now just to have him fake passing out? lol

    Your probably just angry that naruto hasnt done anything for the last 30 chapters like i am
    to be honest pervy sage i am on your side on this as well. The manga is called NARUTO for crying out loud
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by DukeDevil View Post
    oh I completely agree that I'm annoyed that naruto has moved a total of 4 feet in the last dozen chapters...but passed out? really? that would be like goku spending 20 episodes in DBZ powering up a spirit bomb and then it ending with a destructo disk....all that buildup for nothing.
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    to be honest pervy sage i am on your side on this as well. The manga is called NARUTO for crying out loud
    I know what you guys mean, its all about sasuke lately, after the pain arc, its been nothing but sasuke....
    its really anoying what kishi has done with naruto
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Naruto_Lee View Post
    hey pain defeated jiraya(but he didnt know pain's secrets.....if he had known it jiraya would have won)...........jiraya was powerful than both itachi and kisame(itachi mentioned it)......but sasuke did not beat itachi..........but naruto defeated pain...............
    naruto>pain>jiraya>itachi>sasuke.....

    you final conclusion is wrong...........naruto is far powerful than sasuke
    Naruto already had an advantage over pain from the start (pain 1st fought whole of the konoha and had to wait to recharge!!) ..... and yes if naruto learns to control nine tails he will definitely be on top of my list!!!
     
         

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