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    Re: Shikamaru and kakshia would fail at hokage

    Why is TC banned? Close this topic now then
     
         

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    Re: Shikamaru and kakshia would fail at hokage

    A Hokage is like a General in a war, they don't need to fight there job is to strategize and use their forces where needed wa sting little to nothing. Therefor shikamaru would be the best choice, he would know how to use Konoha's ninjas to the best of their abilities, plus Konoha's most powerful asset, Naruto, would listen to him. For the reasons listed above that is why Danzo would never make a good Hokage, he wastes his troops, does not strategize, and he does not care for any one.
     
         

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    Re: Shikamaru and kakshia would fail at hokage

    WHY HAVE YOUR BEST FIGHTER sitting behind a desk doing paper work when they could be doing missions and generating a lot of income.

    With this logic the best Hokage would be an Academy student, who then allows all the powerful Ninjas to do the jobs of protecting the village inside and outside.

    In the chuunin exams the statue stated to become a real Ninja you need brains AND brawn.

    Just 1 will not work.

    Shikamaru singlehandely defeated a akatsuki member???

    You mean after he knew his abilities due to Asuma fighting him with the other 2 jounins, and after of course with the help of Kakashi getting Kakuzus blood, and being able to seperate them (when Kakuzu beat shikas kage mane with his removable arms)

    Yeah, real single handedly!!

    He had tonnes of help and previous knowledge on the enemy, Hidan had no knowledge of Kakashi, Asuma, or loads of others.
     
         

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    Re: Shikamaru and kakshia would fail at hokage

    A Hokage is like a General in a war, they don't need to fight there job is to strategize and use their forces where needed
    Then it must be pure coincidence that

    1st hokage was a powerhouse with intelligence
    2nd Hokage was a powerhouse and could make water through chakra
    3rd hokage was smart but also immensely powerful
    4th Hokage, was FOS worthy for being so powerful

    3rd Kazekage was unique and powerful
    Gaara, the 5th? Kazekage is also brains and brawn

    Raikage is just all out Power
    Tsuchikage is an old fascist but full of power
    Mizukage also has an array of powerful Jutsu
    Danzou as Hokage is amazingly powerful.


    In fact every Hokage battle we have seen we have never actually seen them act as general

    The 3rd Hokage let the village do its usual commonplace strategy of hide the civilians and let the ninjas go all out, while the 3rd fought 1 on 1 with Orochimaru

    Imagine if that was Oro vs Shika, with that shield around him.

    Naruto and Kakashi wouldnt be able to get in, Shika would be owned, and then itd be up to Naruto and Kakashi WITHOUT shikas intelligence.

    This is why Hokages need both brains and power, and why Shika should be a strategist and Advisor, NOT the leader.

    Gaaras fight, we again see no use of general, in fact he dissapeared without even telling his Ninjas what was happening, and simply let them figure out tactics themselves while he fought deidara 1 vs 1.

    So again, another Hokage battle where your "general" idea is absolute nonsense and never occured.

    Imagine Sasuke taking on Shikamaru at the 5 kage meeting.

    Shika binds sasuke if he can, Sasuke cant move, but he can use his eyes to burn amaterasu onto him, cast tsukyomi, or simply susano'o slap him.

    Danzo restricted sasukes movement and SLAP.

    Shika wouldve been PWNED at that meeting had sasuke taken him on instead of the other 5.


    Shika should be an ADVISOR, not the hokage, plain and simple.
     
         

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    Re: Shikamaru and kakshia would fail at hokage

    Quote Originally Posted by twistedlink View Post
    Then it must be pure coincidence that

    1st hokage was a powerhouse with intelligence
    2nd Hokage was a powerhouse and could make water through chakra
    3rd hokage was smart but also immensely powerful
    4th Hokage, was FOS worthy for being so powerful

    3rd Kazekage was unique and powerful
    Gaara, the 5th? Kazekage is also brains and brawn

    Raikage is just all out Power
    Tsuchikage is an old fascist but full of power
    Mizukage also has an array of powerful Jutsu
    Danzou as Hokage is amazingly powerful.


    In fact every Hokage battle we have seen we have never actually seen them act as general

    The 3rd Hokage let the village do its usual commonplace strategy of hide the civilians and let the ninjas go all out, while the 3rd fought 1 on 1 with Orochimaru

    Imagine if that was Oro vs Shika, with that shield around him.

    Naruto and Kakashi wouldnt be able to get in, Shika would be owned, and then itd be up to Naruto and Kakashi WITHOUT shikas intelligence.

    This is why Hokages need both brains and power, and why Shika should be a strategist and Advisor, NOT the leader.

    Gaaras fight, we again see no use of general, in fact he dissapeared without even telling his Ninjas what was happening, and simply let them figure out tactics themselves while he fought deidara 1 vs 1.

    So again, another Hokage battle where your "general" idea is absolute nonsense and never occured.

    Imagine Sasuke taking on Shikamaru at the 5 kage meeting.

    Shika binds sasuke if he can, Sasuke cant move, but he can use his eyes to burn amaterasu onto him, cast tsukyomi, or simply susano'o slap him.

    Danzo restricted sasukes movement and SLAP.

    Shika wouldve been PWNED at that meeting had sasuke taken him on instead of the other 5.


    Shika should be an ADVISOR, not the hokage, plain and simple.
    I agree. people keep saying shikamaru should be hokage cause he's the smartest in the village, WTF is he gunna do if people like Pain attack the village??????

    also twisted, what does "FOS" mean?
     
         

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    Re: Shikamaru and kakshia would fail at hokage

    Flee On Sight <_< >_> lol
     
         

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    Re: Shikamaru and kakshia would fail at hokage

    Quote Originally Posted by twistedlink View Post
    Flee On Sight <_< >_> lol
    oh yeah duhh HAHAHHA
     
         

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    Re: Shikamaru and kakshia would fail at hokage

    Quote Originally Posted by twistedlink View Post
    Then it must be pure coincidence that

    1st hokage was a powerhouse with intelligence
    2nd Hokage was a powerhouse and could make water through chakra
    3rd hokage was smart but also immensely powerful
    4th Hokage, was FOS worthy for being so powerful

    3rd Kazekage was unique and powerful
    Gaara, the 5th? Kazekage is also brains and brawn

    Raikage is just all out Power
    Tsuchikage is an old fascist but full of power
    Mizukage also has an array of powerful Jutsu
    Danzou as Hokage is amazingly powerful.


    In fact every Hokage battle we have seen we have never actually seen them act as general

    The 3rd Hokage let the village do its usual commonplace strategy of hide the civilians and let the ninjas go all out, while the 3rd fought 1 on 1 with Orochimaru

    Imagine if that was Oro vs Shika, with that shield around him.

    Naruto and Kakashi wouldnt be able to get in, Shika would be owned, and then itd be up to Naruto and Kakashi WITHOUT shikas intelligence.

    This is why Hokages need both brains and power, and why Shika should be a strategist and Advisor, NOT the leader.

    Gaaras fight, we again see no use of general, in fact he dissapeared without even telling his Ninjas what was happening, and simply let them figure out tactics themselves while he fought deidara 1 vs 1.

    So again, another Hokage battle where your "general" idea is absolute nonsense and never occured.

    Imagine Sasuke taking on Shikamaru at the 5 kage meeting.

    Shika binds sasuke if he can, Sasuke cant move, but he can use his eyes to burn amaterasu onto him, cast tsukyomi, or simply susano'o slap him.

    Danzo restricted sasukes movement and SLAP.

    Shika wouldve been PWNED at that meeting had sasuke taken him on instead of the other 5.


    Shika should be an ADVISOR, not the hokage, plain and simple.
    all the things you stated are extreme circumstances, Tsunadae was a good hokage, and how much fighting did she do? Sasuke would have no reason to take on Shikamaru, and Shikamaru wouldn't want to fight him. Its not every day that the hokage is in a major fight. and Tobirama not needing water isn't that special Kakashi and Yamato can do the same thing. and you also proved my point, if the Raikage can be a kage with just power, then someone should be a kage with just brains
     
         

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    Re: Shikamaru and kakshia would fail at hokage

    Quote Originally Posted by TimUsher View Post
    all the things you stated are extreme circumstances, Tsunadae was a good hokage, and how much fighting did she do? Sasuke would have no reason to take on Shikamaru, and Shikamaru wouldn't want to fight him. Its not every day that the hokage is in a major fight. and Tobirama not needing water isn't that special Kakashi and Yamato can do the same thing. and you also proved my point, if the Raikage can be a kage with just power, then someone should be a kage with just brains
    Extreme circumstances??

    Dude there have been 2 hokage fights, both of which were NOTHING about issuing orders like a general
     
         

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    Re: Shikamaru and kakshia would fail at hokage

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    Extreme circumstances??

    Dude there have been 2 hokage fights, both of which were NOTHING about issuing orders like a general
    Hiruzen only had to fight because the vllage was being attacked, and how often is a village attacked by high level shinobi. and in Gaara's case he thought it would be over soon enough.
     
         

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    Re: Shikamaru and kakshia would fail at hokage

    Quote Originally Posted by Steinbiz View Post
    I agree. people keep saying shikamaru should be hokage cause he's the smartest in the village, WTF is he gunna do if people like Pain attack the village??????

    also twisted, what does "FOS" mean?
    If people like Pein attack your city its screwed REGARDLESS of the Hokage... u___u

    Next of all hidan stabbing himself and killing one of kakuzu's hearts has NOTHING to do with the fight between shika and hidan they both knew each others powers by the time they seperated.

    Next of all Naruto is hot headed and WON'T even compromise with his advisors. Thus he'd rule with dictatorship and thats not good when your an idiot.

    read my post on page 6 thats my arguments on why Shikamaru is Konoha's best choice.
     
         

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    Re: Shikamaru and kakshia would fail at hokage

    Id like to add that a Hokage doesn't have to do these epic battles like Hashirma and Madara or Minato vs Kyuubi. If someone has a better chance at winning they will fight in their stead.
     
         

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    Re: Shikamaru and kakshia would fail at hokage

    Making either Shino or Shibi Aburame Hokage wouldnt be a bad choice . They're both smart and strong.
     
         

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    Re: Shikamaru and kakshia would fail at hokage

    imo, the kage is the last line of defense of a particular hidden village, therefore he/she should have the capacity to protect himself and its citizens from a possible outside danger.

    POWER (S-Class nin, gen & tai-jutsus) & BRAINS (great strategies & lots of informations 'bout the other villages) is both essential for being a great Kage.

    @Shikamaru.
    He maybe good at planning out different strategies but he lacks expiriences and connections. Also, he doesn't have much of informations 'bout the other villages (forbidden jutsus, KG's etc.). & if he was the only one left? can he defend the village like the other kages did? Yeah, I agree that he can be GREAT advisor.

    e.g (let's put him on tsunade's position)
    If pain attacked the village and he had already used Shinra Tensei? kakashi is already dead and let's assume that naruto was? What do you think his plans are gonna be? With his strongest subordinates being injured and dead. What resources could he probably use?

    @Kakashi.
    He's known for creating Chidori when he was still young and he obtained the sharingan making him a natural genious. the only problem with kakashi is that his chakra drains easily when using S-Rank Ninjutsu, but it doesn't mean he can't keep up with strong ninjas like oro, itachi and pein, well at least. So far, he's the best choice for being the acting Hokages cause naruto has still a long way to go. He needs to be physically, emotionally, mentally and socially prepared. About Danzo? Well, he's going to die. Hate him! :)))

    @Tsunade. (haha i want to include her)
    She has Brains & Beauty with Power! :> this is not arguable. ! :)) She has proved her worth so don't tell me that she didn't planned anything for the safety of the village, leaving her useless.
     
         

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    Re: Shikamaru and kakshia would fail at hokage

    Your point is invalid IF the best konoha ninja were already dead or couldn't beat pein in one example then it should be true that naruto wouldnt beat him in a different example.

    The village is F'd if a shinobi like Pein attacks it. REGARDLESS OF THE HOKAGE. The 3rd couldn't do anything the 4th wouldn't be able to and neither could the first or second against a shinobi like Pein.

    ADVISORS IDEAS GET PUSHED TO THE SIDE BY IDIOT LEADERS.
    Lets say you have a 'weak' Kage and a 'strong' runner up. IF the weak one becomes corrupt or does stuff people dont like the runner up WILL most likely kill the kage. If its the other way arround the strong ninja can do ANYTHING WITH NO REPROCUSSION.

    IF Tsunade had brains and brawn then why didn't she save the village from Pein? Her strength made NO difference in the outcome of konoha.

    Strength comes in many forms. Not just 'power.'

    You don't need a powerful Kage if no danger gets to the city. (Tsunade was awesome btw i just want to get my point across.)
     
         

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    Re: Shikamaru and kakshia would fail at hokage

    you should ALWAYS put your best on the line first, to save as many people as possible.

    Sorry if I have to split my posts in 2 or 3 parts the ps3 only lets you type out so much.
    I'll also brb. ;P
     
         
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    Re: Shikamaru and kakshia would fail at hokage

    Ugh, dude youre not shikamaru, stop trying to have his intelligence.

    Every thread you seem to have this god complex

    The entire series written by Kishi has shown Kages as powerhouses with brains also (Raikage isnt dumb, he's just more brute strength in a fight than analytical).

    Shikas dad is SMARTER and STRONGER, and guess what?

    He is an ADVISOR

    Naruto 450 page 08 | One Manga

    Naruto 450 page 13 | One Manga

    (Note he's the only one apart from the two usual advisors)

    Naruto 450 page 15 | One Manga

    "Hes well known, powerful, and respected, its true"

    Nowhere in the series does it state a Hokage has to be a super genius.


    Shikamaru would be a lousy Hokage, because he can give battle plans regardless of if he is Hokage or not.

    EDIT:Plus as Hokage youre the #1 target if the village is attacked, why do you think strategists etc in real life have 2 sometimes 3 ID's?? To keep them safe, because they're the brains of the operation.

    You dont smack a giant photo up of your countries spies and go "look at the smart ones we have planning your demise"

    You keep your strategists safe and secret, Shika is best off not getting too much attention and working background, so the fighters can get his info, and they can do the work. /EDIT

    He isnt well known to shinobi world, he isnt powerful, and hes only respected by those who know him.

    He would fail utterly as Hokage, he's a miniature less intelligent less powerful version of his dad, who is an Advisor.

    Guess what Shika would be great at?

    You got it, Advisor.
     
         
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    Re: Shikamaru and kakshia would fail at hokage

    Meh, kakashi would own Naruto.
    He has mangekyou h4xx0r p0wers.
    Danzou would own them all.
    And Tsunade...well...about any jounin level ninja would destroy her lol.
     
         

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    Re: Shikamaru and kakshia would fail at hokage

    Quote Originally Posted by Sharpism View Post
    Your point is invalid IF the best konoha ninja were already dead or couldn't beat pein in one example then it should be true that naruto wouldnt beat him in a different example.

    The village is F'd if a shinobi like Pein attacks it. REGARDLESS OF THE HOKAGE. The 3rd couldn't do anything the 4th wouldn't be able to and neither could the first or second against a shinobi like Pein.

    ADVISORS IDEAS GET PUSHED TO THE SIDE BY IDIOT LEADERS.
    Lets say you have a 'weak' Kage and a 'strong' runner up. IF the weak one becomes corrupt or does stuff people dont like the runner up WILL most likely kill the kage. If its the other way arround the strong ninja can do ANYTHING WITH NO REPROCUSSION.

    IF Tsunade had brains and brawn then why didn't she save the village from Pein? Her strength made NO difference in the outcome of konoha.

    Strength comes in many forms. Not just 'power.'

    You don't need a powerful Kage if no danger gets to the city. (Tsunade was awesome btw i just want to get my point across.)
    Anyways, how could my point be invalid? T_T It's true that if Shikamaru was the Hokage and all of his subordinates are dead he couldn't do anything but let the entire village be destroyed, but if he was an ADVISOR, HE(brains) and the HOKAGE (brains & power) could plan what would their next step be.

    Well, Jiraiya can. Pain admitted that he would have lost if Jiraiya knew his secret. So if Jiraiya was the current Hokage and Shikamaru is his advisor then the probability of defeating pain will be high.

    That's your perspective. :| but konoha ninjas have respects for his/her comrades. that's what i've seen in the manga. :>

    Well see, you've said it yourself. even Tsuande wasn't able to completely save the village from pein who has brains and power, how much more with Shikamaru who only have brains (not as good as his dad). Also, i'm not saying tsunade did nothing. She a medical-nin after all, she saved lots of people when pein used ST using her med-ninjutsu. She could also put a fight to pein if she has more chakra left.

    Remember, Danger is always present and a Kage has always to be prepared. :> (Shikamaru's intelligent but he's not yet suited for the position.)
     
         

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    Re: Shikamaru and kakshia would fail at hokage

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    Meh, kakashi would own Naruto.
    He has mangekyou h4xx0r p0wers.
    Danzou would own them all.
    And Tsunade...well...about any jounin level ninja would destroy her lol.
    Come here and let me see if my punches wouldn't destroy you! :>
     
         

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