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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

    Quote Originally Posted by EjBlack View Post
    You keep bringing this up. As Hidan already encounter his body being broken down. Why you are ignoring them?
    Dude... Were going in circles here. Hidans body being broken down =/= his entire skeletal system being broken. Provide me with the scans in which you believe Hidan withstood his bones from being broken. As I thought I already covered this in my post below.


    Quote Originally Posted by Forbidden Technique View Post
    You're right. Hidan isn't getting broken bones from internal attacks. The scans of which you provided only show Hidan receiving a piercing like damage. The only time Hidan didn't get pierced, was when he got hit by Kakuzu's fuuton, which you claimed to break all his bones with no evidence to support this. As I said, Piercing damage=/=bone smashing damage.

    Internal damage, such as piercing and stabbing, doesn't typically break bones. Smashing and pounding of the body, which is external damage, is what breaks bones.

     
         

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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

    Quote Originally Posted by EjBlack View Post
    Your bringing a completely irrelevant point on physical damage again.
    When I asked if you thought that Hidan would be crushed just like Danzo was, this was your response.

    Quote Originally Posted by EjBlack View Post

    Yes that was what I was implying.
    Look back for yourself.

    It's completely relevant. If you think the ten ton marble can crush Hidan, then Gai's punches (especially gated punches) will be able to crush Hidan.

    Stop posting nonsense. You keep posting fluff responses that really don't provide any counter.
     
         

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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

    Quote Originally Posted by EjBlack View Post
    Here ribcage, etc body part, was pierce.



    This is femur damage:


    sewing, punching in through skin, and strapping down his body damage.


    sternum should be damage (Leaves stake at his heart):


    That's nifty. Too bad it's all minor small scale damage.


    You said yourself a large attack, like the ten ton marble, would crush Hidan.

    Gai can provide a punch of that magnitude.

    Therefore, Gai can crush Hidan.

    In fact, the counter you provided only shows that Hidan can be damaged. He is broken throughout many of your scans, it's just minor damage.

    A punch that can destroy a concrete wall will crush Hidan just like the ten ton marble example.

    Quote Originally Posted by EjBlack View Post
    I knew exactly what I said. Did I say Hidan can't get up from it? Did I say he gets compeltely crush. You just try to put words in my mouth to fit your argument. So let me put it in a complete sentence for you:

    Although a 10 ton marble falling on Hidan would most likely give the same results as Sasuke crushing Danzo with Sussanoo, it means nothing due to his immortality. He simply brushes off from the ground.
    Lmao, you just contridicted yourself. You said Hidan will be crushed just like Danzo. If Hidan is crushed just like Danzo, his spine and skull will be shoved down into his body.

    He isn't "brushing that off".
     
         
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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

    Quote Originally Posted by EjBlack View Post
    And yet doing terrible comparison to support your claim. so concrete>Hidan then ignore the large blast attack and explosions he tanked.

    Edit: And then the audacity to say all of is minor damage LMAO!
    You keep contradicting yourself.

    One minute you say he tanked a fuuton attack, the next your saying the ten ton marble would crush Hidan.

    And yes, compared to Gai's punches, all of those attacks are small scale damage.
     
         

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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

    All your arguments against Hidan are completely baseless and shitty, it was stated and proved several times that Hidan is IMMORTAL. He is completely unkillable, the only thing you can do is try to immobilize him like Shikamaru did. Unless Guy has one of the best analytical abilities, a technique that can chain the opponent, wind chakra blades, hundreds of paper bombs and a fully prepared trap in a forest where only his clan can go to Guy loses very very badly.
     
         

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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

    Quote Originally Posted by MisterEggPirate88 View Post
    All your arguments against Hidan are completely baseless and shitty, it was stated and proved several times that Hidan is IMMORTAL. He is completely unkillable, the only thing you can do is try to immobilize him like Shikamaru did. Unless Guy has one of the best analytical abilities, a technique that can chain the opponent, wind chakra blades, hundreds of paper bombs and a fully prepared trap in a forest where only his clan can go to Guy loses very very badly.
    Haha So I guess having your head punched into your spine doesn't warrant a win anymore?
     
         

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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

    The head of everyone but not Hidans head thats why HE is called IMMORTAL not everyone else.
     
         

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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

    Morning peacock is enough to incapacitate him , his resistance is the same as a normal human.
     
         

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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

    Gai absolutely destroys.
     
         

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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

    Hidan low-mid diff
     
         

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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

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    Hidan low-mid diff
    Haha that's laughable.

    Did you see my ten ton marble argument?

    What's your answer to that?
     
         

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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

    Quote Originally Posted by Immortal Itachi View Post
    Haha that's laughable.

    Did you see my ten ton marble argument?

    What's your answer to that?
    Guy can't punch 10 tons.

    'Dropping' a 10 ton stone means he has no place to move back and has to take all 10 tons. With a normal fight, guy won't be restraining him so hid an will be flung back from the first hit and won't take the full force.

    Kisame took hirudora and could hardly move. Hid an took a pressurized air blast(basically a hirudora) and still came out unscathed - he's more durable than kisame. Therefore via can't 'blow him apart'

    Finally, he'd be squashed by the rock. What happens when its removed? He'd get up and waalway because hes immortal and moves with broken bones, torn muscles, and disconnected nervous system l the time.


    Thereeeforeeeee that argument is out only completely invalid, but its also a bad example. Before you try to respond saying 'blah blah rock wouldblah blah' remember, youre not immortal. Your friends aren't immortal. And, you don't know the laws of immortal. Unless guy deprecates parts(he can't) he isn't incapacitating.

    Oh, I almost forgot, guy has no Intel so none of this even matters. He has to figure out the ritual first. It took shikamaru (a genius) until asuma (taijutsu master)was near dead to figure it out

    Edit: there's a lot of auto correct and type lag in there. Typing is slow as hell on my phone on this site so i don't see what I type til like 10 seconds later and stuff get rearranged. Bear with me D:
     
         
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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

    Quote Originally Posted by MisterEggPirate88 View Post
    The head of everyone but not Hidans head thats why HE is called IMMORTAL not everyone else.
    Immortal meaning he doesn't die. If he has his head punched into his spine he won't be able to fight anymore, thus Gai winning.
     
         

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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

    Gai wins handsdown
     
         

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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

    Quote Originally Posted by AGoodBoy View Post
    Guy can't punch 10 tons.

    'Dropping' a 10 ton stone means he has no place to move back and has to take all 10 tons. With a normal fight, guy won't be restraining him so hid an will be flung back from the first hit and won't take the full force.

    Kisame took hirudora and could hardly move. Hid an took a pressurized air blast(basically a hirudora) and still came out unscathed - he's more durable than kisame. Therefore via can't 'blow him apart'

    Finally, he'd be squashed by the rock. What happens when its removed? He'd get up and waalway because hes immortal and moves with broken bones, torn muscles, and disconnected nervous system l the time.


    Thereeeforeeeee that argument is out only completely invalid, but its also a bad example. Before you try to respond saying 'blah blah rock wouldblah blah' remember, youre not immortal. Your friends aren't immortal. And, you don't know the laws of immortal. Unless guy deprecates parts(he can't) he isn't incapacitating.

    Oh, I almost forgot, guy has no Intel so none of this even matters. He has to figure out the ritual first. It took shikamaru (a genius) until asuma (taijutsu master)was near dead to figure it out

    Edit: there's a lot of auto correct and type lag in there. Typing is slow as hell on my phone on this site so i don't see what I type til like 10 seconds later and stuff get rearranged. Bear with me D:
    Do you realize what you just said?

    Hidan can move with broken bones? If his leg is broken in half, he can walk on it? You know as well as I do that makes no sense.

    Kakuzu's Fuuton blast is no where near the level of Hirudora. Don't even try to argue this, it was nowhere the same size and they don't do the same thing. Hirudora is pressurized air. Fuuton is for cutting and slashing. They are NOT the same thing.

    Gai's punches easily are in the 8-10 ton range. Smashing a concrete wall with only your fist (effortlessly, mind you) implies that he can do even more.

    Even if they only did 3-5 tons of force, the principle stands. Asakujaku provides hundreds of punches all with concentrated power that are FAR beyond his base punches, the same ones that smashed a concrete wall with no effort.

    Kisame's overall durability > Hidan's. Hidan will be smashed to broken bones, and will be incapacitated.

    Not to mention Gai is so fast Hidan can't hit him, or see him. Gai's base speed rivals the Body Flicker Jutsu.

    Asakujaku > wires and bombtags, the same thing that took Hidan apart.
     
         

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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

    Quote Originally Posted by Immortal Itachi View Post
    Do you realize what you just said?

    Hidan can move with broken bones? If his leg is broken in half, he can walk on it? You know as well as I do that makes no sense.

    Kakuzu's Fuuton blast is no where near the level of Hirudora. Don't even try to argue this, it was nowhere the same size and they don't do the same thing. Hirudora is pressurized air. Fuuton is for cutting and slashing. They are NOT the same thing.

    Gai's punches easily are in the 8-10 ton range. Smashing a concrete wall with only your fist (effortlessly, mind you) implies that he can do even more.

    Even if they only did 3-5 tons of force, the principle stands. Asakujaku provides hundreds of punches all with concentrated power that are FAR beyond his base punches, the same ones that smashed a concrete wall with no effort.

    Kisame's overall durability > Hidan's. Hidan will be smashed to broken bones, and will be incapacitated.

    Not to mention Gai is so fast Hidan can't hit him, or see him. Gai's base speed rivals the Body Flicker Jutsu.

    Asakujaku > wires and bombtags, the same thing that took Hidan apart.
    It makes no sense for a normal person. Kakuzu stitches hidans limbs back all the time. Are you suggesting kakuzu stitches back bone/gives him new ones. When he broke his femur to the point that asthma couldn't walk but he could, what happened there? When he had two swords through his chest but could breathe, what happened there? For that matter, when he was beheaded and should be bleeding out/be unconscious because he no longer has a heart pumping blood and no more blood is going his head, why was he still able to talk? None of that makes a grain of anatomical sense either. Unless you can explain how he can do that, I don't really need to know how he somehow moves with broken bones. For all we know he has instantaneous healing which would explain the immortality. Kakuzu's futon is pressurized air. It creates cut and pressurized damage. Hirudora only creates pressurized damage. In fact, kakuzu's attack is more deadly since it'd rip your skin apart and break bones while guy just breaks bones. Hirudora didn't kill kisame nor did it break susano'o, why you believe it'd 'blow hid an up' is far beyond me. I don't mean any offence, but guy himself says his fighting style is to break bone. Its not to dismember. A lot of people are adding impossible feat to him. In fact, you all assume he's even as strong as a rai ton cloaked raikage

    Cars weigh about 2tons. Its more illogical that guy can punch 5x the weight of a car than hid an moving on broken bones. Karate experts break blocks all the time but don't punch with even 1 ton of force, so there's that also.

    Concrete and human body is different. Concrete breaks easier because its so rigid and has almost no room for expansion. Any sort of deformity breaks bonds apart and forms cracks which lead to it breaking. Human body is much more flexible and stresses a lot to absorb impact. In any case, a sledge hammer doesn't cut a slab of beef unless its already extremely tenderized. You misinterpret the scan of hid an being cut by wires (which is like being cut up by scalpels) for something else

    Nothing suggests that. Hid an has taken as much, if not more damage than kisame with 0 sign of injury.

    His scyth is designed to have increased width to better chances of drawing blood. Guy has to always come inside scyth range to attack. Hidans a taijutsu specialist also and that's the only thing he uses to flat out assume guy is such a taijutsu god that he completely outclasses another taijutsu master - capable of fodderizing asuma - is beyond ridiculous. If gai is that far beyond Asama then Asama shouldn't even be a jounin. Then there's the fact that guy has no Intel so has no need to flicker from the start. He can easily be overwhelmed before he gets into gear.

    The wires were made to cut ( that's why they indeed cut hid an up), asaka is blunt force designed to crush. It doesn't matter how much ≥ wires it is. Hid an isn't held in place with wires while constant explosions are going off, he's in a state where he can bounce around so his skin can absorb impact and his skin can deform freely so he doesn't explode. If what you're saying is true then there's be a pile of limbs everywhere anytime a car hit a pedestrian. Most times their skull just bursts open because the hit the hood and pavement. But, then again, that assumes Bai can punch with the force of a 2ton car moving in excess of 40mph.
     
         

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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

    Quote Originally Posted by AGoodBoy View Post
    It makes no sense for a normal person. Kakuzu stitches hidans limbs back all the time. Are you suggesting kakuzu stitches back bone/gives him new ones. When he broke his femur to the point that asthma couldn't walk but he could, what happened there? When he had two swords through his chest but could breathe, what happened there? For that matter, when he was beheaded and should be bleeding out/be unconscious because he no longer has a heart pumping blood and no more blood is going his head, why was he still able to talk? None of that makes a grain of anatomical sense either. Unless you can explain how he can do that, I don't really need to know how he somehow moves with broken bones. For all we know he has instantaneous healing which would explain the immortality. Kakuzu's futon is pressurized air. It creates cut and pressurized damage. Hirudora only creates pressurized damage. In fact, kakuzu's attack is more deadly since it'd rip your skin apart and break bones while guy just breaks bones. Hirudora didn't kill kisame nor did it break susano'o, why you believe it'd 'blow hid an up' is far beyond me. I don't mean any offence, but guy himself says his fighting style is to break bone. Its not to dismember. A lot of people are adding impossible feat to him. In fact, you all assume he's even as strong as a rai ton cloaked raikage

    Cars weigh about 2tons. Its more illogical that guy can punch 5x the weight of a car than hid an moving on broken bones. Karate experts break blocks all the time but don't punch with even 1 ton of force, so there's that also.

    Concrete and human body is different. Concrete breaks easier because its so rigid and has almost no room for expansion. Any sort of deformity breaks bonds apart and forms cracks which lead to it breaking. Human body is much more flexible and stresses a lot to absorb impact. In any case, a sledge hammer doesn't cut a slab of beef unless its already extremely tenderized. You misinterpret the scan of hid an being cut by wires (which is like being cut up by scalpels) for something else

    Nothing suggests that. Hid an has taken as much, if not more damage than kisame with 0 sign of injury.

    His scyth is designed to have increased width to better chances of drawing blood. Guy has to always come inside scyth range to attack. Hidans a taijutsu specialist also and that's the only thing he uses to flat out assume guy is such a taijutsu god that he completely outclasses another taijutsu master - capable of fodderizing asuma - is beyond ridiculous. If gai is that far beyond Asama then Asama shouldn't even be a jounin. Then there's the fact that guy has no Intel so has no need to flicker from the start. He can easily be overwhelmed before he gets into gear.

    The wires were made to cut ( that's why they indeed cut hid an up), asaka is blunt force designed to crush. It doesn't matter how much ≥ wires it is. Hid an isn't held in place with wires while constant explosions are going off, he's in a state where he can bounce around so his skin can absorb impact and his skin can deform freely so he doesn't explode. If what you're saying is true then there's be a pile of limbs everywhere anytime a car hit a pedestrian. Most times their skull just bursts open because the hit the hood and pavement. But, then again, that assumes Bai can punch with the force of a 2ton car moving in excess of 40mph.
    I'm not going to waste time writing an enourmous paragraph you'll just discredit.

    - Hidan can't move on broken limbs. It makes absolutely no sense for him to walk on a leg that is broke in half. It's impossible physically. If Hidan's skull is punched into his spine, he will be incapacitated.

    - Kakuzu's Fuuton was nowhere as big as Hirudora. Hirudora is far more dangerous. Scans stating that Fuuton waa pressurized air?

    - Do you realize how much speed and force it takes to create fireballs from the sheer friction of a punch? It's far beyond a semi-truck moving at 100mph, which is easily 10 tons.

    - Hidan stabbed his leg. Where does it say it broke his femur? It was a stab injury. Big freakin' whoop. Kisame has tanked FAR greater attacks than Hidan has. Hirudora, Asakujaku, etc. Those are certainly far more powerful attacks than being stabbed in the leg and a small Fuuton blast.

    - Gai is a greater Taijutsu expert than Hidan. What's preventing Gai from disarming Hidan with his speed, and using his scythe against him? Gai may be stupid, but dodging a scyte and stealing from your opponent is pretty basic tactic. Gai's speed can't be reacted to by Hidan.

    - You don't seem to understand; with enough speed, I could cut a block of iron in half with a marshmallow. I've already stated that Gai's punches are far beyond a semi truck moving at 100mph, his punches move so fast they create fireballs from the sheer friction. Do you understand how fast that is? It would cut through Hidan. Kisame's durability > Hidan's. Hidan's best tanking feat is a basic fuuton blast. Kisame tanked an enourmous Noon Tiger attack that blew away a forrest.
     
         

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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

    Quote Originally Posted by Immortal Itachi View Post
    I'm not going to waste time writing an enourmous paragraph you'll just discredit.

    - Hidan can't move on broken limbs. It makes absolutely no sense for him to walk on a leg that is broke in half. It's impossible physically. If Hidan's skull is punched into his spine, he will be incapacitated.

    - Kakuzu's Fuuton was nowhere as big as Hirudora. Hirudora is far more dangerous. Scans stating that Fuuton waa pressurized air?

    - Do you realize how much speed and force it takes to create fireballs from the sheer friction of a punch? It's far beyond a semi-truck moving at 100mph, which is easily 10 tons.

    - Hidan stabbed his leg. Where does it say it broke his femur? It was a stab injury. Big freakin' whoop. Kisame has tanked FAR greater attacks than Hidan has. Hirudora, Asakujaku, etc. Those are certainly far more powerful attacks than being stabbed in the leg and a small Fuuton blast.

    - Gai is a greater Taijutsu expert than Hidan. What's preventing Gai from disarming Hidan with his speed, and using his scythe against him? Gai may be stupid, but dodging a scyte and stealing from your opponent is pretty basic tactic. Gai's speed can't be reacted to by Hidan.

    - You don't seem to understand; with enough speed, I could cut a block of iron in half with a marshmallow. I've already stated that Gai's punches are far beyond a semi truck moving at 100mph, his punches move so fast they create fireballs from the sheer friction. Do you understand how fast that is? It would cut through Hidan. Kisame's durability > Hidan's. Hidan's best tanking feat is a basic fuuton blast. Kisame tanked an enourmous Noon Tiger attack that blew away a forrest.
    http://www.livescience.com/6040-brut...ans-punch.html
    Check that out. Bone is stronger than concrete. Also, If were going by human logic then you're claiming guy has 10x the punching power of a human. Take note of the part that says the force required to even break bone carries based on different factors. Finally, if you have to scale all of that to accommodate ninja moving faster than the eyes and ignite air, you'd also have to scale the durability since NVfeats are all superhuman. No one can kick someone through concrete, or jump a few hundred meter through the air off sheer power for that matter.


    Yes, and so are the examples I gave yet he did it. You can't say its impossible when he's DONE the impossible. That's a bit redundant. Also, there's my point that hid an potentially possesses instant healing. Hence, that broken bone would instantly heal. The guy never has wounds and constantly gets stabbed.
    The problem here is you keep saying kisame tanked when he was literally 1 shot by the attacks and couldn't continue the fight. That's not tanking. Hid an TANKED an attack said to kill anyone else and completely shred a neighbouring trees. He tanked it to the point where he shuushined above kakashi who was speeding away and actually proceeded to continue the fight. That's tanking. Coming out of a fight completely unscathed.

    Kisame took asak and his clone died. He took hirudora and couldn't move. He took a V2 lariat and almost died - he had to heal the gaping hole in his chest.

    Hidantook kakuzu's attack and prooceded to continue fighting like nothing happened. He took a few hundred paper bombs without suffering a single blow or scratch(limbs cut off by wires). He took a b rank Keaton without even burnt eye brows while asuma got 1st degree burns by extension. Shikamaru could barely get a sword through the skin of his neck. Of coarse hidans body is susceptible to piercing, otherwise he couldn't pierce to kill opponents, but the guy has so much more durability feats then kisame its tidiculous. What you're trying to say is something like ten ten taking a tbb and being on the brink of death and drainage taking a rasenshuriken and walking away like he was never hit, then somehow calling tenten more durable.

    Guy isn't a greater taijutsu expert than hid an... Wtf where did you even get that... Guy is just faster. Your beginning to overestimate guys potential... Do you understand how skilled you have to be to defeat another taijutsu expert who has support, without a single scratch? To the point where they even say precision attacks(punch and kicks) are useless? Also, guys speed isn't as much an advantage as you claim. V1 bee is faster than base guy and kisame was able to effortlessly dodge him. Kisame isn't a taijutsu specialist and only has .5 more speed. Hidan has far better evasion skills and taijutsu prowess than kisame. There's also the fact that hid an was able to catch up to kakashi while he was speeding away from an explosion, showing his speed isn't as bad as claimed.

    Yes, guy lit the air up with friction, but he doesn't punch the opponent. They get hit by air, that's what his attacks do. Notice how guy only caused superficial burns and some internal damage with his asaka - and he did it so fast that it lit the air - while bee blasted a hole in his chest. Notice how bee was the only one ever showing the ability to even break skin. That should already tell you the insignificance of guys attacks against hidan. The fact is, guys never shown a move to break skin let alone dismember.

    That last part is actually impossible. That marshmallow would burn up before it even reached the required speed. Guy would disintegrate himself (possibly what happens in 8 gate) to even attempt something like that. Especially when he does indirect damage.
     
         

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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

    Quote Originally Posted by AGoodBoy View Post

    Guy isn't a greater taijutsu expert than hidan
    Wait,what?
     
         

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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

    Quote Originally Posted by elsepa View Post
    Wait,what?
    Hidan is a world renowned tai fighter
     
         

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