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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

    Quote Originally Posted by dkdankong View Post
    Hidan is a world renowned tai fighter
    Call me when Hidan's speed alone rivals the body flicker technique.

    Gai's taijutsu >>>> Hidan's Taijutsu
     
         

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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

    Quote Originally Posted by dkdankong View Post
    Hidan is a world renowned tai fighter
    Databook stats say Hidan has 4.5 in taijutsu , Gai has 5 and not more because that is the max
     
         

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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

    Quote Originally Posted by elsepa View Post
    Databook stats say Hidan has 4.5 in taijutsu , Gai has 5 and not more because that is the max
    Quote Originally Posted by Immortal Itachi View Post
    Call me when Hidan's speed alone rivals the body flicker technique.

    Gai's taijutsu >>>> Hidan's Taijutsu
    Look who can tell a ****ing joke when they see one..

    Goddamn guys how couldn't you see the sarcasm in that clearly he isn't a world renowned tai expert or better than guy wtf
     
         

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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

    Quote Originally Posted by dkdankong View Post
    Look who can tell a ****ing joke when they see one..

    Goddamn guys how couldn't you see the sarcasm in that clearly he isn't a world renowned tai expert or better than guy wtf
    I thought so but you never know , fanboys are capable of saying anything lmao
     
         

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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

    Quote Originally Posted by elsepa View Post
    I thought so but you never know , fanboys are capable of saying anything lmao
    oh dear God i am the farthest thing from a hidan fanboy..
     
         

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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

    lol dk i thought i lost you there for a sec.. yeah dont see what the big debate is about. even if hidan manages to get some blood, gai's speed and power in the gates wont let him ingest it, draw the symbol and make his move..even if its just gai beat the living shit out of "immortal hidan" he wont have the time to draw the symbol in gais blood and stab himself, let alone stand in the symbol for long even if he manages to draw it. though keeping hidan on his toes and preventing him from making the symbol and executing himself makes it a mid diff fight at most. gai wins by ripping him apart, either by hirudora, asa kujaku, or with his bare hands.
     
         

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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazzilla88 View Post
    Once gates enter the picture I don't imagine Hidan keeping up, he's canonically stated to have the slowest attacks in all of Akatsuki.
    Gai in gates would dance circles around him, and Gai doesn't need to be that intelligent to decide he doesn't want to be cut but a giant scythe.
    Eventually Gai's punches will leave him immobile. I find the whole Hidan continued on after breaking his femur argument rather poor. Even Part 1 Naruto fought in that state. But no one is saying that part 1 naruto is immune to physical damage. Take for instance, the rotator cup. Should someone destroy his rotator cup the arm attached becomes for all intensive purposes broken. Should the punch his kneecap out of place or destroy it all together his running ability is destroyed. In one's pelvis a small piece of cartilage that connects the hips, should that be knocked out of place by a punch walking would be nearly impossible.

    Then 10 tons argument is quite valid considering the levels of strength we're starting to discuss. Having enough strength that the resulting wind pressure would be able to kill an ordinary person. You have to think of the force behind that punch. What's going on is the no limits fallacy but logically there must be a limit to how much damage he can take. I personally believe the top tier of those with physical strength all surpass those limits (Tsunade, Ay, Gai, Sakura, Third Raikage)

    Finally the reason he can't be hurt by physical means is a sad argument is because the only thing that has ever hurt him has been physical attacks. You would consider the rope a physical object as well as his torture stick and so on. So if these physical objects can hurt him, and he doesn't even use impressive force with his torture stick to hurt himself, what makes people believe he is immune to physical damage. One could even think of chakra blades as physical damage as they take a physical form to accomplish their purpose. But regardless, he's not immune to physical damage, he's a masochist who enjoys pain and has great endurance. But considering how easily he's stabbed himself his durability is not as how as people make it out to be.
    I'd like to get a response to this from those who say Hidan would win.
     
         

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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

    Quote Originally Posted by Liath View Post
    lol dk i thought i lost you there for a sec.. yeah dont see what the big debate is about. even if hidan manages to get some blood, gai's speed and power in the gates wont let him ingest it, draw the symbol and make his move..even if its just gai beat the living shit out of "immortal hidan" he wont have the time to draw the symbol in gais blood and stab himself, let alone stand in the symbol for long even if he manages to draw it. though keeping hidan on his toes and preventing him from making the symbol and executing himself makes it a mid diff fight at most. gai wins by ripping him apart, either by hirudora, asa kujaku, or with his bare hands.
    You're wrong on so many levels I do not even know where to start.
    Saying Guy won't let him do anything is simply stupid. Last time I checked Guy can't activate his gates instantly, Hidan can draw the symbol with his own blood. None of the attacks you stated could even incapacitate Hidan. Guy stands no chance of winning, deal with it.
     
         

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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazzilla88 View Post
    I'd like to get a response to this from those who say Hidan would win.
    You basically bringing the same points everyone has been doing. Just read through the thread and you will have you answer.
     
         

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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

    Quote Originally Posted by EjBlack View Post
    You basically bringing the same points everyone has been doing. Just read through the thread and you will have you answer.
    Let's discuss them specifically, people have been dodgy throughout this entire thread.

    So what exactly does it mean for Hidan to be immune to physical damage when he has been harmed, by physical damage. And his self mutilation doesn't even require a lot of a force which brings me to the next point.

    What makes you all think he can take the concentrated force provided by one of strength's top tiers. Nothing in his feats suggest he is capable of that. Even if you want to use Kakuzu's wind as an example, the force is spread out. Spreading the force our reduced the amount of damage done to a particular spot. As opposed to one of Gai's punches.

    And please tell me how would his knee cap respond to being punched out of socket or having his rotary cup torn? You only provided me another dodgy answer. I've read the entire thread before I posted. I posted because I was unsatisfied with the answers provided.

    In addition I know what sticklers some people are for the databooks and in terms of taijutsu prowess Gai would surpass Hidan, but since I'm not fond of databooks feats would suggest Hidan would have a hard time getting an attack on Gai.

    Overall I find post that defend Hidan, severely lacking in substance and relying far too heavily on speculation.
     
         

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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

    Quote Originally Posted by Immortal Itachi View Post
    I'm not going to waste time writing an enourmous paragraph you'll just discredit.

    - Hidan can't move on broken limbs. It makes absolutely no sense for him to walk on a leg that is broke in half. It's impossible physically. If Hidan's skull is punched into his spine, he will be incapacitated.

    - Kakuzu's Fuuton was nowhere as big as Hirudora. Hirudora is far more dangerous. Scans stating that Fuuton waa pressurized air?

    - Do you realize how much speed and force it takes to create fireballs from the sheer friction of a punch? It's far beyond a semi-truck moving at 100mph, which is easily 10 tons.

    - Hidan stabbed his leg. Where does it say it broke his femur? It was a stab injury. Big freakin' whoop. Kisame has tanked FAR greater attacks than Hidan has. Hirudora, Asakujaku, etc. Those are certainly far more powerful attacks than being stabbed in the leg and a small Fuuton blast.

    - Gai is a greater Taijutsu expert than Hidan. What's preventing Gai from disarming Hidan with his speed, and using his scythe against him? Gai may be stupid, but dodging a scyte and stealing from your opponent is pretty basic tactic. Gai's speed can't be reacted to by Hidan.

    - You don't seem to understand; with enough speed, I could cut a block of iron in half with a marshmallow. I've already stated that Gai's punches are far beyond a semi truck moving at 100mph, his punches move so fast they create fireballs from the sheer friction. Do you understand how fast that is? It would cut through Hidan. Kisame's durability > Hidan's. Hidan's best tanking feat is a basic fuuton blast. Kisame tanked an enourmous Noon Tiger attack that blew away a forrest.

    Talking without the head on his shoulders is also physically impossible
     
         

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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazzilla88 View Post
    Let's discuss them specifically, people have been dodgy throughout this entire thread.

    So what exactly does it mean for Hidan to be immune to physical damage when he has been harmed, by physical damage. And his self mutilation doesn't even require a lot of a force which brings me to the next point.

    What makes you all think he can take the concentrated force provided by one of strength's top tiers. Nothing in his feats suggest he is capable of that. Even if you want to use Kakuzu's wind as an example, the force is spread out. Spreading the force our reduced the amount of damage done to a particular spot. As opposed to one of Gai's punches.

    And please tell me how would his knee cap respond to being punched out of socket or having his rotary cup torn? You only provided me another dodgy answer. I've read the entire thread before I posted. I posted because I was unsatisfied with the answers provided.

    In addition I know what sticklers some people are for the databooks and in terms of taijutsu prowess Gai would surpass Hidan, but since I'm not fond of databooks feats would suggest Hidan would have a hard time getting an attack on Gai.

    Overall I find post that defend Hidan, severely lacking in substance and relying far too heavily on speculation.
    Yourlast paragraph is so ironic.

    All of the guy arguments are speculation. Guys never shown any of these feats. He's never blasted a hole in someone's chest but he can suddenly rip people open.
    Hid an can talk with his spinal cord disconnected and no blood pumping to his head, but a broken bone is supposed to stop him.
    Guy, without Intel, is supposed to instantly know about the ritual circle and for some reason do all he can to stop it.
    Guys never blown a crater into the ground throughsheer power but he's supposed to rip someone apart?
    Guys gate attacks use high speed motion to cause indirect damage from wind pressure, but this is supposed to even affect a guy that walked out of a forest destroying air blast?

    All of this is incredible speculate not even supported by manga.

    "Guy will punch hidans head into his spine" bull. Shit.
     
         

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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

    Quote Originally Posted by Immortal Itachi View Post
    Sorry but this is wrong.

    Gai's speed in base form rivals body flicker technique. If you want, I can find the scan for you of him appearing to punch a shinobi through a cement wall.

    Hidan was blown apart by bomb tags, and regardless Hidan isn't invincible. Bones can be broken, limbs can be shoved into his body, etc.

    Gai has enough strength per punch to collapse Hidan's bones into themselves.
    Has he ever done that ? no so we really can not say he does ...

    I think gai's speed in gates is too much for hidan .. so he could take it if he finishes it beforehand
     
         

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    Re: Hidan vs. Gai

    Saying Guy won't let him do anything is simply stupid. Last time I checked Guy can't activate his gates instantly
    Stopped reading there.

    Guy can activate gates instantly.

    But he doesn't need them. He beats Hidan in base.
     
         

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