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    (DrProof) Kamui's True Classification | Fūinjutsu

    Regarding to todays chapter I have come to an obvious conclusion that Kamui is nothing more than a sealing method; Fūinjutsu. This will be a complex theory, nothing non-understandable.


    Alright firstly I want everyone to take into account Totsuka Blade, this weapon's ability is quite similar to Kamui's sealing methods, and here is why:



    Alright, now Orochimaru was sealed within that "Dream-Like" dimension in which Totsuka sent the victim to for all eternity, basically a Dimension of dreams. However, to escape that dimension Orochimaru was revived via reverse sealing:



    Now what Totsuka Blade's ability, and Kamui had in common was that Kamui was also seen to have a dimension itself:



    Alright, now that the similarities are compared, you all must know what Fūinjutsu is:

    Fūinjutsu (封印術; Literally meaning "Sealing Techniques") are a type of jutsu that seal objects, living beings, chakra, along with a wide variety of other things within another object. Fūinjutsu can also be used to unseal objects either from within something or someone.
    Pay close attention to the underlined context, as they will prove how Kamui does indeed branch into the Fūinjutsu category.

    The first underlined context reads "Jutsu that seal objects, living beings, chakra etc." As we've already established Kamui's ability sends the person/object into a dimension:



    The third underlined context reads "can also be used to unseal objects either from within something or someone." This has also already been shown within the manga here (revert back to chapter 598 pg.4 to see the whole panel):



    I didn't quite go in order (skipped over the second underlined context) and the reason for that is because the second underlined context is the most important into believing that Kamui is Fūinjutsu. The second context reads "within another object.", now where have we seen that? Exactly, in today's chapter.

    Take notice of the Jūbi being sucked into Kamui. Take note that the Jūbi is nothing but chakra, something that the first underlined context was said was sealed within Fūinjutsu.



    Then moments later the Jūbi was transported (and sealed) into Obito:




    Kamui = Fūinjutsu | Naruto Wikia, and Narutobase RP need to add this as its new classification. Hope you all agree.
     
         
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    Re: (DrProof) Kamui's True Classification | Fūinjutsu

    Um. No. It is a space time jutsu. That has been proven time and time again. It is a jutsu that goes to a separate dimension. You're pretty much saying kakashi is sealed in obito right?

    Obito most likely had a different jutsu that sealed the juubi.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Kamui's True Classification | Fūinjutsu

    lets wait till next chapter or longer to change anything, we still need more info

    besides hashirama is old school , kekkei genkai might be classified differently now
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Kamui's True Classification | Fūinjutsu

    I will wait for future chapters for more information+rep
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Kamui's True Classification | Fūinjutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Super Kami View Post
    Um. No. It is a space time jutsu. That has been proven time and time again. It is a jutsu that goes to a separate dimension. You're pretty much saying kakashi is sealed in obito right?

    Obito most likely had a different jutsu that sealed the juubi.
    Explain why Kamui was used on the Jubi. Explain how it was sealed without physical distraught. Technically yes, Kakashi is sealed within Obito, but due to him having Kamui in which can also access the dimension he can release himself via Kamui.
     
         

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    Sound legit to me ! ^_>^
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Kamui's True Classification | Fūinjutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by the big boss View Post
    lets wait till next chapter or longer to change anything, we still need more info

    besides hashirama is old school , kekkei genkai might be classified differently now
    True, true.

    Quote Originally Posted by FTG V2 View Post
    I will wait for future chapters for more information+rep
    True indeed. But does it seem plausible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Normal fanboy View Post
    Sound legit to me ! ^_>^
    Indeed it does! Thanks man.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Kamui's True Classification | Fūinjutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by DrProof View Post
    Explain why Kamui was used on the Jubi. Explain how it was sealed without physical distraught. Technically yes, Kakashi is sealed within Obito, but due to him having Kamui in which can also access the dimension he can release himself via Kamui.
    Do you know for sure that he used kamui on the juubi. He did not say out loud that he used kamui on the juubi.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Kamui's True Classification | Fūinjutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Super Kami View Post
    Do you know for sure that he used kamui on the juubi. He did not say out loud that he used kamui on the juubi.
    Because Obito openly announces he's going to use Kamui.. Correct? Do you have proof that it wasn't Kamui?
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Kamui's True Classification | Fūinjutsu

    I guess if you look at it as there are different branches of sealing moves. Some can be done with tags to seal a physical target in the normal dimension,and some can be used to seal/warp targets into another dimension.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Kamui's True Classification | Fūinjutsu

    I think where the argument falls is that Kamui isn't actually sealing; we have to remember that the Kamui dimension is just that: a dimension, not the inside of some being or device/object. It's just dimensional teleportation.

    But to be fair Totsuka does have some of the same workings yet is classified as fuinjutsu, so I'm not 100% skeptical.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Kamui's True Classification | Fūinjutsu

    I personally think Obito used a combination of his chakra rods, a sealing Jutsu, and Kamui to seal the Juubi within him. In fact you'll notice it's not even a perfect seal as per the final panel of the latest chapter.

    I think Kamui was like an enzyme in function; it sped up the sealing process.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Kamui's True Classification | Fūinjutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by NinjutsuSeeker View Post
    I guess if you look at it as there are different branches of sealing moves. Some can be done with tags to seal a physical target in the normal dimension,and some can be used to seal/warp targets into another dimension.
    Exactly. And Sealing Methods have yet to be seen done via visual prowess. We've seen it all if Kamui is indeed a Sealing Technique.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased King View Post
    I think where the argument falls is that Kamui isn't actually sealing; we have to remember that the Kamui dimension is just that: a dimension, not the inside of some being or device/object. It's just dimensional teleportation.

    But to be fair Totsuka does have some of the same workings yet is classified as fuinjutsu, so I'm not 100% skeptical.
    How exactly did the Jubi's chakra get sent into Obito's body? Via Kamui, his Dimension is still HIS, meaning that its withheld in his Mangekyou Sharingan, and the Mangekyou Sharingan is connect with his tenketsu or chakra system. The Jubi's chakra must have linked with his.

    That or he somehow incorporated the chakra into his chakra system directly due to time/space distortion. I'll go with the former though.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ausar View Post
    I personally think Obito used a combination of his chakra rods, a sealing Jutsu, and Kamui to seal the Juubi within him. In fact you'll notice it's not even a perfect seal as per the final panel of the latest chapter.

    I think Kamui was like an enzyme in function; it sped up the sealing process.

    Who knows. More so I think the former is correct, however your premise isn't far-fetched. But we haven't exactly seen Obito use any Sealing Techniques, I don't believe.
     
         
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    Re: (DrProof) Kamui's True Classification | Fūinjutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Super Kami View Post
    Um. No. It is a space time jutsu. That has been proven time and time again. It is a jutsu that goes to a separate dimension. You're pretty much saying kakashi is sealed in obito right?

    Obito most likely had a different jutsu that sealed the juubi.
    Minato's Hiraishin doesn't transport objects/living things into other dimensions. Actually, this theory is pretty plausible.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Kamui's True Classification | Fūinjutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Hirudora View Post
    Minato's Hiraishin doesn't transport objects/living things into other dimensions. Actually, this theory is pretty plausible.
    Exactly my thoughts.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Kamui's True Classification | Fūinjutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by DrProof View Post
    Because Obito openly announces he's going to use Kamui.. Correct? Do you have proof that it wasn't Kamui?
    Well, we will see next week i guess haha. Fifty fifty chance youre correct. I think you're partially right.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Kamui's True Classification | Fūinjutsu

    Nice thinking Dr. Proof, I like your style. We have to keep in mind, when Minato fought Tobi, he didn't understand Kamui fully when he commented that the masked man's space-time jutsu surpassed his and the Nikage. So to everyone else out there that was influenced by Minato's assessment, we can't trust that. When Kakashi was assessing Tobi's jutsu, he didn't understand Kamui fully either, because he hadn't been to the pocket dimension, he just thought he was sending things to some dimension unknown. After he had gone there, he stopped explaining the jutsu. So we have to ignore Kakashi on this too.

    There is one thing I'm not sure about though. How is it that Obito can transport objects anywhere in the world from his pocket dimension if it is fuuinjutsu and not space-time jutsu? SP jutsu and to an extent summoning jutsu, are the only jutsus I'm aware of that can do that. However, I don't think you're necessarily discounting that it isn't some hybrid among jutsu. Just like susanoo, isn't purely a summoning technique.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Kamui's True Classification | Fūinjutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by DrProof View Post
    Because Obito openly announces he's going to use Kamui.. Correct? Do you have proof that it wasn't Kamui?
    If it was Kamui then... * thinks deeply before talking *

    there is a 25% probabilities of Kakashi becoming the Jinchuuriki. LOL
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Kamui's True Classification | Fūinjutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikoto View Post
    Nice thinking Dr. Proof, I like your style. We have to keep in mind, when Minato fought Tobi, he didn't understand Kamui fully when he commented that the masked man's space-time jutsu surpassed his and the Nikage. So to everyone else out there that was influenced by Minato's assessment, we can't trust that. When Kakashi was assessing Tobi's jutsu, he didn't understand Kamui fully either, because he hadn't been to the pocket dimension, he just thought he was sending things to some dimension unknown. After he had gone there, he stopped explaining the jutsu. So we have to ignore Kakashi on this too.

    There is one thing I'm not sure about though. How is it that Obito can transport objects anywhere in the world from his pocket dimension if it is fuuinjutsu and not space-time jutsu? SP jutsu and to an extent summoning jutsu, are the only jutsus I'm aware of that can do that. However, I don't think you're necessarily discounting that it isn't some hybrid among jutsu. Just like susanoo, isn't purely a summoning technique.
    So what exactly are you proposing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hirudora View Post
    If it was Kamui then... * thinks deeply before talking *

    there is a 25% probabilities of Kakashi becoming the Jinchuuriki. LOL
    Lmao. Can't say I didn't laugh here.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Kamui's True Classification | Fūinjutsu

    Kamui is the dimension inside obito's eyes. Kakashi has obito's eye so he has access to the same thing.


    no one else but him does. so yes it kind of is a seal. if you dont have the way to get there (obito's ms) then then you're screwed.
     
         

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