Damn you're right! I forgot about Summoning Techniques being S/T. This would have strengthened my theory even more.
Shoulda coulda woulda. Haha. But i guess, technically, every S/T technique could be a fuinjutsu, if they used it to be in a different space. Technically minato sealed himself within that room he left kushina and naruto in, by definition. True fuinjutsu just focuses on smaller compact spaces or alternate dimensions i guess.
the line between space/time and fuinjutsu is very obscure. first of all, some space/time techniques require summoning and reverse/summoning like ftg. which require seals. summoning and reverse summoning of creatures and weapons also require seals. but the seal function does not equal the space/time technique, they are two seperate things. there is the fuinjutsu, and there is the space/time technique. otherwise everytime obito would make himself intangible he would be sealing and unsealing himself into his dimension, which makes zero sense.
It's already been stated that the bigger the object and in this case I would think the amount of chakra too, the longer it takes to transport an object/person to the Kumai dimension. That being said, Obito would have needed at least a couple of minutes if not an hour or two to transport the Juubi to his dimension.
I think the better alternative is that Obito used the rinnegan to absorb the Juubi, as I can't remember which chapter but it was when Itachi/Naruto/Bee were fighting Edo-Nagato, that the rinnegan's power is amplified when it isn't divided, which granting that Nagato could resurrect an entire village, I wouldn't put it past Obito being able to absorb such monstrous chakra with it.
Should nonetheless be interesting to see Madara's reaction to Obito being the Jinchuuriki.
I think where the argument falls is that Kamui isn't actually sealing; we have to remember that the Kamui dimension is just that: a dimension, not the inside of some being or device/object. It's just dimensional teleportation.
But to be fair Totsuka does have some of the same workings yet is classified as fuinjutsu, so I'm not 100% skeptical.
I feel the same way.
And maybe some jutsu can be classified as spacetime and sealing jutsu?
Originally Posted by Ausar
I personally think Obito used a combination of his chakra rods, a sealing Jutsu, and Kamui to seal the Juubi within him. In fact you'll notice it's not even a perfect seal as per the final panel of the latest chapter.
I think Kamui was like an enzyme in function; it sped up the sealing process.
Always nice to get some new perspective! I can't think of anything to prove you're wrong. Nice read!!
Just to make sure I got what you are saying, you're assuming everytime Obito uses Kamui he is essentially summoning himself? Again I think this would make sense, seeing as summons are near instant. Kamui is just "special" because of it's appearance when used (spiral suction), where as normal summons are clouds of smoke. The difference in appearance could just be where the objects are being transported from, things that come from the Kamui dimension are always show with a spiral.
you are wrong for the fact Naruto confirmed that Obito used hand signs to seal Juubi.. Obito used a sealing jutsu.. the marking on his backs are the marks of the seals.. Just like Naruto's stomach had the seal of the kyuubi..
and it has been confirmed TOO MANY TIMES that kamui is a space time jutsu...
not a bad thread though but i think you were just confused man..
Originally Posted by DrProof
So I guess my theory was right. Obito still has his Sharingan, and he used Kamui on the Juubi.
bro he used hand seals...
Last edited by Etrigan; 07-10-2013 at 12:55 AM.
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Sorry to say this, but you truly wasted your time with this explanation. While I do agree in the similarities with the totsuka blade, and that "placing" an object in another dimension, is just like a fuuinjutsu may work. That said, the 3rd Databook explains Kamui rather well, and does not mention any thing like fuuinjutsu, in other words this thread is just a waste of time. Let me copy paste it for you (though others may have already pointed all this out):
Spoiler: Kamui hide
Authority of the Gods* (神威, Kamui)
Ninjutsu, Kekkei Genkai, No rank, Offensive, Defensive, All ranges
User: Hatake Kakashi
Changing the dimension in one's field of vision.
A lavish, unparalleled dimensional doujutsu!!
Kakashi's original doujutsu, released from the "Mangekyou Sharingan". It allows one to transfer anything to another dimension. If one spends a lot of time and trains one's chakra over and over again, this technique can be invoked. The target is enveloped with a barrier space, and the user concentrates their mind to what they gaze at... The target can struggle helplessly, but against this technique no defence is possible. No matter what, the space will distort and draw the target in.
So it's quite clear now... You cannot argue against Kishi, period. Jutsu that are fuuinjutsu are labelled as such in the databook as well.