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    Byakugan, Rinnegan, and Sharingan

    We don't really know which is older out of the Byakugan and Rinnegan. We do know that the Sharingan did come from one of these.

    Byakugan
    Byakugan is found in the Hyuuga Clan. The user is born with this dojutsu. The Byakugan gives the user the ability of insight. With the Byakugan the user gains an extra-sensory perception, which gives them penetrating sight which they can see tenketsu (individual chakra point) It also gives the user near 360 degree view of there surroundings (with the exception of a small sopt in the back of the head) . The higher the skill of the clan member, the further the distance from which they can sense incoming attacks.

    The fighting style of the Hyuuga Clan is called Juuken (gentle fist). The clan member can use their fingers or palms to emit chakra to flow into their opponents body's at the tenketsu points. When the hand draws close enough to strike, the clan member can stop or increase their opponent’s chakra flow. The internal chakra coils which spread throughout the body also wrap around the internal chakra producing organs. So if the internal coils are attacked, it also damages these internal organs. Because a ninja can not train their internal body, such damage can be a critical hit for even a highly skilled ninja. Because of the spot in the back of the head can be used a liability a technique called Heavenly Spin is used. he clan member will release a large of amount of chakra from their tenketsu. The member then begins to spin like a top, creating a whirling vortex that can nullify almost any attack, it is used to repel chakra attacks and allows the member to see all angles of attack.

    Rinnegan
    Once in a while a person will be born with the Rinnegan. It was said the Rinnegan was used by Rikudou Sennin (Six Realms Sage) the original shinobi it was said he created modern Ninjutsu. A person who welds the Rinnegan will be given mastery over all six forms of chakra nature manipulation. Much of the Rinnegan is still unknown but from what we have seen from Nagato we can tell that under extreme stressful or dangerous situations the Rinnegan's power will be unleashed. Under threat of death the Rinnegan gave Nagato the ability to defeat much stronger chuinn.
    The Rinnegan gave Nagato the ability to use the 6 paths pain. Nagato will use 6 corpse, he will then put black rods within the corpse allowing him to use the corpse to his will turning them into puppets. Each body has one unique ability

    Deva Realm: has the power to manipulate gravity with Shinra Tensei he can push the force of gravity away from his center. Nagato even demonstrated that with jutsu he has even enough power to even destroy a whole village at the cost of his life span. The down side after the use of this jutsu there is 5 second delay but on a larger scale the delay is increased to a few minuets. Bansho Tensei allows Nagato the ability to the force of gravity towards his center, this also gives a 5 second delay before he can use it again. His final jutsu is Chibaku Tensei this is a black orb that when thrown into the sky is used to pull any and every thing towards it from trees to mountains itself. This jutsu was said to be used to seal the Juubi into what is now the moon.

    Animal Realm: Can summing any animal that has black rods attached to it.

    Human Realm: focuses more on Taijutsu. This Realm can also read the minds and remove the soul of enemies is grips

    Hell Realm: is capable of utilizing a spectral hell figure capable of judging whether one if telling the truth or not. This figure can also remove the soul of the one it judges. This realm can also revive and heal any of the other realms

    Asura Realm:A ninja who heavily modified his body with technology. Asura is capable of unleashing missiles and laser-like blasts.

    Hungry Ghost Realm: uses sealing techniques to neutralize most any incoming attack, ninjutsu both natural and elemental

    Each pain has a rinnegan and has shared vision given them a perfect defense and almost no blind spots.
    Nagato himself is also able to use all the jutsu of all the realms and is said to be the 7th realm the he who hold the Rinnegan is said to be out side of life and death and is able to control life and death and is able to use a jutsu called Gedo Tensei which can being back anyone who has been killed in a short period of time.
    It was shown that the rinnegan has somewhat of chakra insight but maybe not enough as the Byakugan.

    Sharingan
    Unlike the Byakugan and the Rinnegan the Sharingan isn't developed by birth but through a stressful and dangerous situation. A sharingan evolves over time through the addition of Commas. there are a total of 3 commas on each eye. one comma gives the user the ability to see and notice the attack pattern of an enemy. two commas gives the ability to track movement, it also grants them chakra in sight but not as great as the byakugan. At this level a sharingan user can copy any tiajutsu or ninjutsu if it is seen by the eyes. The 3 commas grants a better ability to track movement, along with that it grants the ability to use genjutus through the eyes.
    Mangekyou Sharingan: Is an addition to the Sharingan. It is acquired when a Sharingan user feels the pain of lost of a best friend. By acquiring MS three new abilities are released these abilities require a lot of chakra drainage. When MS is first opened the lights are slowly being darkened and the user will soon lose his sights.
    Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan: Is when a MS user will take his brothers eyes but it may just not be a brother eyes but another clan members eyes this is still unknown. By doing this the lights will be restored and a new ability was granted with EMS. With this strength it was said Madara used Sharingan's normal ability to suppress the Kyuubi and tame it.

    The purpose of this thread is to talk about the differences between these eyes and add info that i missed. There are a lot talk of which came first of these eyes and which came from which, it was stated that the sharingan came fro the Byakugan but in recent chapters the sharingan is now coming from juubi. What dojutsu is dominate? I would like to talk about thses doujutsu because i think they will come up more times mainly the sharingan and Rinnegan and maybe they will finally bring in the Byakugan. What will the Byakugan be in the upcoming manga or will Kish leave it as it is
     
         

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    Re: Byakugan, Rinnegan, and Sharingan

    Quote Originally Posted by niblack89 View Post
    We don't really know which is older out of the Byakugan and Rinnegan. We do know that the Sharingan did come from one of these.

    Byakugan
    Byakugan is found in the Hyuuga Clan. The user is born with this dojutsu. The Byakugan gives the user the ability of insight. With the Byakugan the user gains an extra-sensory perception, which gives them penetrating sight which they can see tenketsu (individual chakra point) It also gives the user near 360 degree view of there surroundings (with the exception of a small sopt in the back of the head) . The higher the skill of the clan member, the further the distance from which they can sense incoming attacks.

    The fighting style of the Hyuuga Clan is called Juuken (gentle fist). The clan member can use their fingers or palms to emit chakra to flow into their opponents body's at the tenketsu points. When the hand draws close enough to strike, the clan member can stop or increase their opponent’s chakra flow. The internal chakra coils which spread throughout the body also wrap around the internal chakra producing organs. So if the internal coils are attacked, it also damages these internal organs. Because a ninja can not train their internal body, such damage can be a critical hit for even a highly skilled ninja. Because of the spot in the back of the head can be used a liability a technique called Heavenly Spin is used. he clan member will release a large of amount of chakra from their tenketsu. The member then begins to spin like a top, creating a whirling vortex that can nullify almost any attack, it is used to repel chakra attacks and allows the member to see all angles of attack.

    Rinnegan
    Once in a while a person will be born with the Rinnegan. It was said the Rinnegan was used by Rikudou Sennin (Six Realms Sage) the original shinobi it was said he created modern Ninjutsu. A person who welds the Rinnegan will be given mastery over all six forms of chakra nature manipulation. Much of the Rinnegan is still unknown but from what we have seen from Nagato we can tell that under extreme stressful or dangerous situations the Rinnegan's power will be unleashed. Under threat of death the Rinnegan gave Nagato the ability to defeat much stronger chuinn.
    The Rinnegan gave Nagato the ability to use the 6 paths pain. Nagato will use 6 corpse, he will then put black rods within the corpse allowing him to use the corpse to his will turning them into puppets. Each body has one unique ability

    Deva Realm: has the power to manipulate gravity with Shinra Tensei he can push the force of gravity away from his center. Nagato even demonstrated that with jutsu he has even enough power to even destroy a whole village at the cost of his life span. The down side after the use of this jutsu there is 5 second delay but on a larger scale the delay is increased to a few minuets. Bansho Tensei allows Nagato the ability to the force of gravity towards his center, this also gives a 5 second delay before he can use it again. His final jutsu is Chibaku Tensei this is a black orb that when thrown into the sky is used to pull any and every thing towards it from trees to mountains itself. This jutsu was said to be used to seal the Juubi into what is now the moon.

    Animal Realm: Can summing any animal that has black rods attached to it.

    Human Realm: focuses more on Taijutsu. This Realm can also read the minds and remove the soul of enemies is grips

    Hell Realm: is capable of utilizing a spectral hell figure capable of judging whether one if telling the truth or not. This figure can also remove the soul of the one it judges. This realm can also revive and heal any of the other realms

    Asura Realm:A ninja who heavily modified his body with technology. Asura is capable of unleashing missiles and laser-like blasts.

    Hungry Ghost Realm: uses sealing techniques to neutralize most any incoming attack, ninjutsu both natural and elemental

    Each pain has a rinnegan and has shared vision given them a perfect defense and almost no blind spots.
    Nagato himself is also able to use all the jutsu of all the realms and is said to be the 7th realm the he who hold the Rinnegan is said to be out side of life and death and is able to control life and death and is able to use a jutsu called Gedo Tensei which can being back anyone who has been killed in a short period of time.
    It was shown that the rinnegan has somewhat of chakra insight but maybe not enough as the Byakugan.

    Sharingan
    Unlike the Byakugan and the Rinnegan the Sharingan isn't developed by birth but through a stressful and dangerous situation. A sharingan evolves over time through the addition of Commas. there are a total of 3 commas on each eye. one comma gives the user the ability to see and notice the attack pattern of an enemy. two commas gives the ability to track movement, it also grants them chakra in sight but not as great as the byakugan. At this level a sharingan user can copy any tiajutsu or ninjutsu if it is seen by the eyes. The 3 commas grants a better ability to track movement, along with that it grants the ability to use genjutus through the eyes.
    Mangekyou Sharingan: Is an addition to the Sharingan. It is acquired when a Sharingan user feels the pain of lost of a best friend. By acquiring MS three new abilities are released these abilities require a lot of chakra drainage. When MS is first opened the lights are slowly being darkened and the user will soon lose his sights.
    Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan: Is when a MS user will take his brothers eyes but it may just not be a brother eyes but another clan members eyes this is still unknown. By doing this the lights will be restored and a new ability was granted with EMS. With this strength it was said Madara used Sharingan's normal ability to suppress the Kyuubi and tame it.

    The purpose of this thread is to talk about the differences between these eyes and add info that i missed. There are a lot talk of which came first of these eyes and which came from which, it was stated that the sharingan came fro the Byakugan but in recent chapters the sharingan is now coming from juubi. What dojutsu is dominate? I would like to talk about thses doujutsu because i think they will come up more times mainly the sharingan and Rinnegan and maybe they will finally bring in the Byakugan. What will the Byakugan be in the upcoming manga or will Kish leave it as it is

    what a noob thread.If you read the manga and watch the show you'll find out that the Rinnegan ame first. Rikudo Sennin had it first. All olptical Kekkei genkai come from the rinnegan.Sharingan and Byakugan are mutations of this eye.Because of this the Hyuga clan and Uchiha clan are LOOSELY related.*and i stretch the word loosely*While im talking about the relations of clans i might as well explain this as well.The Uhiha clan and Senju are descendants of the sons of Rikudo Sennin.Thus, meaning if they were to trace their family trees' back far enough Madara Uchiha and Hashirama Senju would have relized that they are cousins.
     
         

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    Re: Byakugan, Rinnegan, and Sharingan

    Quote Originally Posted by The Yellow FlashofKonaha View Post
    what a noob thread.If you read the manga and watch the show you'll find out that the Rinnegan ame first. Rikudo Sennin had it first. All olptical Kekkei genkai come from the rinnegan.Sharingan and Byakugan are mutations of this eye.Because of this the Hyuga clan and Uchiha clan are LOOSELY related.*and i stretch the word loosely*While im talking about the relations of clans i might as well explain this as well.The Uhiha clan and Senju are descendants of the sons of Rikudo Sennin.Thus, meaning if they were to trace their family trees' back far enough Madara Uchiha and Hashirama Senju would have relized that they are cousins.
    What can i say, this guys said it all, but didnt the older son of the SOT6P have the sharingan and the byakuungan is just a mutation down the line?

    Also i have a theory, all the real hokages so far have been senju, so i believe the 4th was a senju and so that would mean naruto is senju, and therefore sasuke and naruto are distant relatives too
     
         

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    Re: Byakugan, Rinnegan, and Sharingan

    Quote Originally Posted by The Pervy Sage View Post
    What can i say, this guys said it all, but didnt the older son of the SOT6P have the sharingan and the byakuungan is just a mutation down the line?

    Also i have a theory, all the real hokages so far have been senju, so i believe the 4th was a senju and so that would mean naruto is senju, and therefore sasuke and naruto are distant relatives too
    I can't validate the fadelity of that theory but the son had the rinnegan that later on mutated. The younger son had the sages body and determination. Thats way Uchiha= kg and Senju= skill.
     
         

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    Re: Byakugan, Rinnegan, and Sharingan

    Uchiha and Senju are FAR descendants of Rikudo Sennin's sons, Family trees of this extent would not exist.

    Never does it say that ANY of the son's got the Rinnegan, "eyes" and "body" can be symbolic of many things. Look at Symbolism of Eyes and Symbolism of Body, they don't necessarily have to be physical attributes.

    With that said, you can assume a lot of things. As you look at Juubi's eye it looks like a Rinnegan with a Crapload of Tomoe.

    Firstly you have to look at how all the eyes look the attributes the characteristics and abilities of each.

    Rinnegan is White
    Byakugan is White
    Sharingan is Red
    All three can See Chakra however;
    Rinnegan can see through barriers
    Byakugan cannot, can see the chakra points in people
    Sharingan cannot, cannot see the chakra points in people

    Rikudo left a tablet inscribed with something;

    Rinnegan can read all of it.
    Sharingan can read more then Byakugan but not all of it.
    Byakugan can read some of it


    __________
    With that said we can now piece them together.

    Rinnegan came first.
    Byakugan relates to Rinnegan more then Sharingan

    Juubi's eyes are similar to that of a Sharingan
    Juubi's personality is evil, Sharingan has lead to only evil things for the universe.
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    Byakugan was Rikudo's original eyes, Rinnegan formed when Rikudo sealed Juubi in himself. Juubi's eyes split when his soul was ripped from his body. [Heaven and Earth, Heaven; meaning soul, Earth meaning body.]
    Sharingan is a curse put inside Byakugan by Juubi that is triggered [like all other Sharingan advancements.] This trigger eventually became permanent and split Byakugan and Sharingan.

    [ Or something along these lines. ]
     
         
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    Re: Byakugan, Rinnegan, and Sharingan

    Now I'll add something about the thread, firstly the 6 Paths of Pein, have nothing to do with Rinnegan's powers. Its like saying Ameratsu is a property of Sharingan, even though this is true, the way Pein uses his Rinnegan has no purpose as to its relation on Byakugan or Sharingan.

    Also Rinnegan and Sharingan have to be awakened, as Nagato said he had normal eyes and in his grief he killed the Ninja who killed his parents. This is also a shared trait with Sharingan.
     
         

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    Re: Byakugan, Rinnegan, and Sharingan

    who cares for your noob opinion
     
         

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    Re: Byakugan, Rinnegan, and Sharingan

    Quote Originally Posted by Sharpism View Post
    Uchiha and Senju are FAR descendants of Rikudo Sennin's sons, Family trees of this extent would not exist.

    Never does it say that ANY of the son's got the Rinnegan, "eyes" and "body" can be symbolic of many things. Look at Symbolism of Eyes and Symbolism of Body, they don't necessarily have to be physical attributes.

    With that said, you can assume a lot of things. As you look at Juubi's eye it looks like a Rinnegan with a Crapload of Tomoe.

    Firstly you have to look at how all the eyes look the attributes the characteristics and abilities of each.

    Rinnegan is White
    Byakugan is White
    Sharingan is Red
    All three can See Chakra however;
    Rinnegan can see through barriers
    Byakugan cannot, can see the chakra points in people
    Sharingan cannot, cannot see the chakra points in people

    Rikudo left a tablet inscribed with something;

    Rinnegan can read all of it.
    Sharingan can read more then Byakugan but not all of it.
    Byakugan can read some of it


    __________
    With that said we can now piece them together.

    Rinnegan came first.
    Byakugan relates to Rinnegan more then Sharingan

    Juubi's eyes are similar to that of a Sharingan
    Juubi's personality is evil, Sharingan has lead to only evil things for the universe.
    __________
    My Assumption

    Byakugan was Rikudo's original eyes, Rinnegan formed when Rikudo sealed Juubi in himself. Juubi's eyes split when his soul was ripped from his body. [Heaven and Earth, Heaven; meaning soul, Earth meaning body.]
    Sharingan is a curse put inside Byakugan by Juubi that is triggered [like all other Sharingan advancements.] This trigger eventually became permanent and split Byakugan and Sharingan.

    [ Or something along these lines. ]
    There is nothing saying that the Byakugan can read the Tablet. It was said that the Sharingan can read it and the Mangekyo could read even more. The Rinnegan can read it all.

    I dont mean to contradict your assumption at the end, but if the Sage had the Byakugan, then gained Rinnegan from the 10 tails sealing, how did Pain end up with it? The Rinnegan was said to be some form of reincarnation. The Sage may not even be an ancestor of Pain.
     
         

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    Re: Byakugan, Rinnegan, and Sharingan

    Quote Originally Posted by eyesofthekyuubi44 View Post
    There is nothing saying that the Byakugan can read the Tablet. It was said that the Sharingan can read it and the Mangekyo could read even more. The Rinnegan can read it all.

    I dont mean to contradict your assumption at the end, but if the Sage had the Byakugan, then gained Rinnegan from the 10 tails sealing, how did Pain end up with it? The Rinnegan was said to be some form of reincarnation. The Sage may not even be an ancestor of Pain.
    Even if the Byakugan can't read any of it, it still proves my point that the Rinnegan and Sharingan are closely related, and this could be because that they are both from Juubi. [Assuming that Rikudo wrote it after he got the Rinnegan.]

    Only those who possess the Rinnegan can fully decipher what is written on the tablet, while a person with a different dōjutsu can still partially interpret the information. IF we assume that Byakugan, Rinnegan, and Sharingan are related to each other, this would mean that the Byakugan could read them also.


    I dont mean to contradict your assumption at the end, but if the Sage had the Byakugan, then gained Rinnegan from the 10 tails sealing, how did Pain end up with it? The Rinnegan was said to be some form of reincarnation. The Sage may not even be an ancestor of Pain.
    I could ask the same thing if the Rinnegan was the original correct? Honestly I don't think Kishi wrote anything about this so it'll stay a mystery. ;P
    If it was passed down and activated by grief then his mother or father would have had the potential to get the Rinnegan, and his/her parents, and his/her parents.

    Or it could be a naturally rare occurrence of the body, sort of our deformations.

    I just like to believe that they're linked through a curse. As from what we've seen that the Sharingan is more like a curse then a blessing. People killing each other to get power, people infatuated with the Sharingan that they'll kill off a whole group. Ect.

    Seven Deadly Sins
    Greed for more power. People outside of Uchiha wanted Sharingan (like Danzou.) People in Uchiha wanted Mangeko and even more power.
    Acedia people killed each other to gain Mangekyo. Parents killing their kids, kids killing their parents, friends killing friends, ect. [Madara and Izuna times.]
    Despair in act of Acedia people often create despair.
    Wrath against Senju, revenge for their own family and friends massacred.

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    Re: Byakugan, Rinnegan, and Sharingan

    Quote Originally Posted by Sharpism View Post
    Even if the Byakugan can't read any of it, it still proves my point that the Rinnegan and Sharingan are closely related, and this could be because that they are both from Juubi. [Assuming that Rikudo wrote it after he got the Rinnegan.]

    Only those who possess the Rinnegan can fully decipher what is written on the tablet, while a person with a different dōjutsu can still partially interpret the information. IF we assume that Byakugan, Rinnegan, and Sharingan are related to each other, this would mean that the Byakugan could read them also.



    I could ask the same thing if the Rinnegan was the original correct? Honestly I don't think Kishi wrote anything about this so it'll stay a mystery. ;P
    If it was passed down and activated by grief then his mother or father would have had the potential to get the Rinnegan, and his/her parents, and his/her parents.

    Or it could be a naturally rare occurrence of the body, sort of our deformations.

    I just like to believe that they're linked through a curse. As from what we've seen that the Sharingan is more like a curse then a blessing. People killing each other to get power, people infatuated with the Sharingan that they'll kill off a whole group. Ect.

    Seven Deadly Sins
    Greed for more power. People outside of Uchiha wanted Sharingan (like Danzou.) People in Uchiha wanted Mangeko and even more power.
    Acedia people killed each other to gain Mangekyo. Parents killing their kids, kids killing their parents, friends killing friends, ect. [Madara and Izuna times.]
    Despair in act of Acedia people often create despair.
    Wrath against Senju, revenge for their own family and friends massacred.

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    I think the Rinnegan is related to the Sharingan. The Rinnegan was the original dojutsu, and the Byakugan is something different. The Rinnegan, it makes sense that the Sharingan descended from it. The Sharingan is best for genjutsu users, but it also helps memorize ninjutsu flawlessly, and the Rinnegan is best for ninjutsu (as seen by the many unique jutsu's used almost solely by Pain).

    This kinda reminds me of the Tengu king theory where people thought that the Demon Tengu with special powers fell in love with a Hyuuga woman and gave birth to Uchiha Madara, and their powers created the Sharingan.
     
         

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    Re: Byakugan, Rinnegan, and Sharingan

    Quote Originally Posted by eyesofthekyuubi44 View Post
    I think the Rinnegan is related to the Sharingan. The Rinnegan was the original dojutsu, and the Byakugan is something different. The Rinnegan, it makes sense that the Sharingan descended from it. The Sharingan is best for genjutsu users, but it also helps memorize ninjutsu flawlessly, and the Rinnegan is best for ninjutsu (as seen by the many unique jutsu's used almost solely by Pain).

    This kinda reminds me of the Tengu king theory where people thought that the Demon Tengu with special powers fell in love with a Hyuuga woman and gave birth to Uchiha Madara, and their powers created the Sharingan.
    I never said the Rinnegan and Sharingan aren't related, however the means of them being related at least by my theory is because of Juubi's eye.
    It is a mix between the Rinnegan and Sharingan. Although a few questions pop up, the Tomoe, and the Rinnegan Rings lead me to believe that the Sharingan and Rinnegan are EXCLUSIVE to Juubi and more or less sharingan is a curse left behind by Juubi.
    If you look at what we know about Juubi, you will know that he is all the 9 tailed beasts split, meaning his personalities possibly reside in each of them. The most evident of evil is Kyuubi, sadistic, and cunning.

    From what we know, the Rinnegan appears LEAST in people, while the Sharingan and Byakugan appear a lot more throughout the series and aren't as rare. Since there are ONLY three Dojutsu in the Manga we can also assume that all three are related to each other.

    Throughout the series the Sharingan has been closely linked to what is known by us as the seven deadly sins. I personally believe that this is remnants of Juubi much like the 9 Tailed Beasts, to corrupt and destroy the world that Rikudo set up for the rest of humanity to build.

    This kinda reminds me of the Tengu king theory where people thought that the Demon Tengu with special powers fell in love with a Hyuuga woman and gave birth to Uchiha Madara, and their powers created the Sharingan.
    Although this theory is valid, Madara in no shape or form was the first Uchiha; as he talks as there is history even before his time.

    Regardless it would still prove my point that Sharingan is a direct decendent of Byakugan and that the Byakugan is born from the Rinnegan.

    Although I don't believe this is the case, I did a mini plot about how I think the clans were born and how they continue to exist to this day. [Although not 100% for this discussions purpose could be another possibility or where Hyuuga, and Uchiha are born from.]

    The Sage of the Six Paths was said to be the legendary figure who founded the ninja world and was the creator and first user of modern ninjutsu, essentially making him the first shinobi in the modern context of the term, as well as the first jinchuriki. The Sage was a priest who appeared long ago in an age of endless war. He was the first to explain the truth about chakra and tried to use his power and wisdom to lead the world to peace instead of war. The Sage travelled throughout the world, spreading his ideas and religion, the Shinobi Sect, which eventually came to be known as ninjutsu. His great deeds and true desire to bring peace to the war-torn world led him to become widely known as the Saviour of the World.

    The Sage's ultimate wish to establish peace throughout the world was a goal that could never be achieved within his lifetime alone. Knowing that his end was approaching, the Sage entrusted his strength, dream, and legacy to his two sons. The older son, Hyuuga; who inherited the Sage's "eyes" lavender white and all seeing eyes. [Eye of Providence Error] the power of his chakra and his spiritual energy, believed that power was the true key to peace. The younger son, Senju; who inherited the Sage's "body"; his willpower and physical energy, believed that love was the true key to peace.

    On his deathbed, the Sage chose his younger son to be his successor. Overcome by bitterness and envy, the older son attacked the younger, beginning a war between them.

    ___ Time Skip
    Years later the Hyuuga elders tired of war and death offered the Senju an agreement of Peace, the Senju gladly agreed, though one Hyuuga dis-agree'd, Hyuuga Uchiha, expressed these feeling to the elders, distraught and unwanting war the elders banished Uchiha out of the group. Fearful of others bringing the war to the Hyuuga family, the Hyuuga elders seperated themselves and their families by title they called themselves the Soke, marking the rest with a different title Bunke, and a seal along with it. This seal gave the Soke members absolute control over the Bunke members, being able to create pain and even kill the Bunke members with a simple hand gesture.
    Peace had happened between the Hyuuga and the Senju, the wars between the two fell into myth and tales then out of history all together.

    Uchiha's pure white eyes; blinded by hatred, closed almost fully, a crimson iris with a black Tomoe in each.
    Though banished from the Hyuuga family, Uchiha still had the same goal as the Sage's eldest, and sought out only to destroy the Senju and found new means with his new vengeful eyes. He bred an army; to find their eyes not the same as his, however not like Hyuuga's either, they were normal eyes and Tomoe only appeared in a few of his decendents, never instantly. He figured insisted on only taking the best into battle and thus created an initiation nin-jutsu for battle; Katon: Gōkakyū no Jutsu [Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique]
     
         
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    Re: Byakugan, Rinnegan, and Sharingan

    Quote Originally Posted by The Yellow FlashofKonaha View Post
    what a noob thread.If you read the manga and watch the show you'll find out that the Rinnegan ame first. Rikudo Sennin had it first. All olptical Kekkei genkai come from the rinnegan.Sharingan and Byakugan are mutations of this eye.Because of this the Hyuga clan and Uchiha clan are LOOSELY related.*and i stretch the word loosely*While im talking about the relations of clans i might as well explain this as well.The Uhiha clan and Senju are descendants of the sons of Rikudo Sennin.Thus, meaning if they were to trace their family trees' back far enough Madara Uchiha and Hashirama Senju would have relized that they are cousins.
    absolutely right. just one more thing. byakugan was mutated from Sharingan
     
         

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    Re: Byakugan, Rinnegan, and Sharingan

    Quote Originally Posted by konoha s beautiful beast View Post
    absolutely right. just one more thing. byakugan was mutated from Sharingan
    At this point there is no ABSOLUTE right answer as we don't have a collective amount of information to make a proper inference.
     
         

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    Re: Byakugan, Rinnegan, and Sharingan

    Quote Originally Posted by Sharpism View Post
    At this point there is no ABSOLUTE right answer as we don't have a collective amount of information to make a proper inference.
    well, I got than info my friend I dont know about u
     
         

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    Re: Byakugan, Rinnegan, and Sharingan

    Quote Originally Posted by konoha s beautiful beast View Post
    well, I got than info my friend I dont know about u
    Please show me panels of evidence or ANY evidence of this nature, maybe then your opinion will be valid. To me, if you look at eye genetics or any evolution of the human race; you can't get a product that is WORSE then the predeceasing.

    For example; Apes are less intelligent then Humans.
    Comparing to this situation; Byakugan is WORSE then Sharingan.

    The whole point of evolution is to get a BETTER result, and adapting to your surroundings.

    Lastly, Byakugan and Sharingan aren't close enough to each other to note that ANY evidence of evolution is current.
    For example;
    Byakugan see's nearly 360 degree's. Sharingan see's like a normal human eye.
    Sharingan evolves, Byakugan does not.
    Sharingan slows down movements allowing for the brain to process information quicker. Byakugan has real time eye vision.
    Sharingan has a defensive system against Genjutsu. Byakugan does not.
    Byakugan is WHITE. Sharingan is a mixture of black and red.
    Sharingan evolves and allows the user to use Dojutsu that have elements to them. Byakugan's dojutsu allows the user to see far distances and through products.
     
         
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    Re: Byakugan, Rinnegan, and Sharingan

    my opinion is always valid. I am not going to spend my energy for convincing you in anything as it is impossible to argue with you. you are a type of person who tries to disapprove everyone's idea to show himself very "smart". this is my last post regarding you mister "I know everything". just one advice. change you attidute. it irritates everyone
     
         

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    Re: Byakugan, Rinnegan, and Sharingan

    Quote Originally Posted by konoha s beautiful beast View Post
    my opinion is always valid. I am not going to spend my energy for convincing you in anything as it is impossible to argue with you. you are a type of person who tries to disapprove everyone's idea to show himself very "smart". this is my last post regarding you mister "I know everything". just one advice. change you attidute. it irritates everyone


    Not really....its called having a discussion.....

    Obviously people have different opinions, and when you have different opinions you discuss why they're different. An opinion can never be wrong, but when you state something as a fact, its no longer an opinion, and thus requires proof to back it up. You stated

    "absolutely right. just one more thing. byakugan was mutated from Sharingan"

    This is not an opinion, its a statement of fact. Therefore it can be either right or wrong, and if asked for proof,

    "well, I got than info my friend I dont know about u"

    is not a valid source. Unless your friend is Kishi of course.


    Discussions are what forums are for, if you don't want to discuss things, whats the point of posting on the forums?

    Back to the thread......


    Please show me panels of evidence or ANY evidence of this nature, maybe then your opinion will be valid. To me, if you look at eye genetics or any evolution of the human race; you can't get a product that is WORSE then the predeceasing.

    For example; Apes are less intelligent then Humans.
    Comparing to this situation; Byakugan is WORSE then Sharingan.

    The whole point of evolution is to get a BETTER result, and adapting to your surroundings.
    This isn't actually true. Evolution doesn't move towards "better" it moves towards more fit. By more fit, it means to have more reproductive success. This however doesn't mean better. Since we're talking about eyes I'll give a specific example.

    The human eye makes no sense whatsoever. Everything is upside down. When light enters our eyes it gets flipped and our brain has unflip it or else we would see everything upside down. We also have a blind spot. Squids however, an evolutionarily older organism, don't have these problems. Their eyes are already right-side up and they don't have blind spots. In terms of quality, cephalopods have much better eyes than we do.
     
         

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    Re: Byakugan, Rinnegan, and Sharingan

    Quote Originally Posted by Nanaki View Post
    This isn't actually true. Evolution doesn't move towards "better" it moves towards more fit. By more fit, it means to have more reproductive success. This however doesn't mean better. Since we're talking about eyes I'll give a specific example.

    The human eye makes no sense whatsoever. Everything is upside down. When light enters our eyes it gets flipped and our brain has unflip it or else we would see everything upside down. We also have a blind spot. Squids however, an evolutionarily older organism, don't have these problems. Their eyes are already right-side up and they don't have blind spots. In terms of quality, cephalopods have much better eyes than we do.
    Yes but they lack the brain to comprehend a more complicated eye. I don't know enough about a squid eye to make a claim but does it see in colour, can it function out of water?

    Lastly evolution is not about being "better" I should have said that in a different way, however evolution is about adapting to your environment to make it easier to inhabit. Considering they are both humanoids with the same source of light and the same living conditions the eyes should have both adapted SIMILAR through Evolution, however that isn't the case, they are two different eyes with SOME similarities.

    My main point was that the Rinnegan and Sharingan are closer related to each other then the Byakugan. As both Rinnegan and Sharingan have to be activated, they can't see 360 degrees. Though what doesn't make sense is why the Sharingan has different "stages" where as the Rinnegan/Byakugan [from what we know] does not have different stages.

    This is why I believe that the Sharingan is more then just an eye but a curse. :]
     
         

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    Re: Byakugan, Rinnegan, and Sharingan

    http://www.narutobase.net/forums/nar...ntle-fist.html

    well i dont care about the overpowered kekkai genkai that are now extinct i care that the hyuga clan still exist thus meaning they are stronger
    as i stated in the look above that goes to my thread
    is stated it seems byakugan has the power to slow down time but only in the 8 trigrams field
    i think once truly mastered it can possibley Be bigger and control time in that large space
     
         

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    Re: Byakugan, Rinnegan, and Sharingan

    Quote Originally Posted by Sharpism View Post
    Yes but they lack the brain to comprehend a more complicated eye. I don't know enough about a squid eye to make a claim but does it see in colour, can it function out of water?

    Lastly evolution is not about being "better" I should have said that in a different way, however evolution is about adapting to your environment to make it easier to inhabit. Considering they are both humanoids with the same source of light and the same living conditions the eyes should have both adapted SIMILAR through Evolution, however that isn't the case, they are two different eyes with SOME similarities.

    My main point was that the Rinnegan and Sharingan are closer related to each other then the Byakugan. As both Rinnegan and Sharingan have to be activated, they can't see 360 degrees. Though what doesn't make sense is why the Sharingan has different "stages" where as the Rinnegan/Byakugan [from what we know] does not have different stages.

    This is why I believe that the Sharingan is more then just an eye but a curse. :]


    I agree the Sharingan and Rinnengan are definitely most closely related. The picture of the Jubi itself is proof of that. Its a mix of the rinnengan and and sharingan, not the byakugan. I think the real question is sort of like the chicken and egg. Did the Sot6P have the rinnengan first, and give it to the Juubi? Or did the Juubi give the rinnengan to the Sot6P.

    I think its very possible that originally the Juubi just had the sharingan. As you said earlier the Uchiha represent some of the deadly sins, so it would make sense for the source of that eye to come from something evil like the Juubi. Then as we've seen with Pain, he can control summons with the Rinnengan. All of his summons have the Rinnengan. I think it may have been similar with how he subdued the Juubi. From what I can see the Juubi isn't like the other chakra beasts. I think the Juubi is just an incredibly strong monster. The other chakra beasts don't have actual "bodies" they are just manifestations of pure chakra. The Juubi however has a body, which is sealed in the moon at the moment. Therefore I believe that the original Rinnengan was able to control the Juubi, much like the Sharingan has some control over the Kyuubi, just to a greater extent. And thus when the Sot6P took control of the Juubi the eyes merged to create what we saw in the pictures.

    Another reason why I think this makes sense is that the Sharingan represents evil as you said. And the Rinnengan represents a savior (even though Nagato didn't really work out). So it would make sense if the Rinnengan was born to subdue and save the world from the Juubi who controlled the Sharingan.

    As for the Byakugan, your guess is as good as mine. I have no clue where it came from as of now.
     
         

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    Re: Byakugan, Rinnegan, and Sharingan

    Quote Originally Posted by eyesofthekyuubi44 View Post
    I think the Rinnegan is related to the Sharingan. The Rinnegan was the original dojutsu, and the Byakugan is something different. The Rinnegan, it makes sense that the Sharingan descended from it. The Sharingan is best for genjutsu users, but it also helps memorize ninjutsu flawlessly, and the Rinnegan is best for ninjutsu (as seen by the many unique jutsu's used almost solely by Pain).

    This kinda reminds me of the Tengu king theory where people thought that the Demon Tengu with special powers fell in love with a Hyuuga woman and gave birth to Uchiha Madara, and their powers created the Sharingan.
    The following theory was thought up soley by me as just a possible way of how things went, I don't claim to know anything for sure so if I'm falst than please don't give me a hard time, I haven't read the manga so the majority I know about Naruto is what I've seen which is up to the latest episode on hulu and what little I've read from this site, from what I understand The sage of the six paths had the byakugan when he was fighting the juubi which has this eye, ( I tried to put a picture of it up here but apparently according to the website you must have ten posts before your allowed to do such a thing, and this being my first post, I don't have enough sorry peeps)
    now on this site I've read that eye described as a combination of rinnegan and sharingan, I don't really think so because than why wouldn't the byakugan just meld with the existing combination? It's my opinion that the eye that the juubi has is just a really advanced version of the regular sharingan, and my theory on how the sharingan works is that each eye has three "commas" which act as pupils, and just how even our regular eyes work, is that they are offset from eachother so our pupils have more than one vantage point creating depth perception, the sharingan gives each eye three different vantage points where each previously only had one, and if you look at the juubi's eye, you see that it has the original pattern in the middle followed by six more "commas" in a pyramid shape, three creating all new and different vantages points and the three "points" of the pyramid are in the same general placement of the original three except farther out, which would only help with better sight and judgement on how things move and how far they are, but now back to the orginal theory that the sage has the byakugan and the juubi ony has sharingan, I think that those two eyes melded together to become a whole new eye in itself and that eye obviosuly being, the rinnegan, thats just my theory though, thoughts and comments?
     
         

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    Re: Byakugan, Rinnegan, and Sharingan

    Quote Originally Posted by ~Rerrando~ View Post
    who cares for your noob opinion
    who cares that you don't care? :P

    honestly, everyone on this thread is entitled to an opinion....it is NOT your place to say things like what you said.

    if you don't like it DON'T comment! :mad:
     
         

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