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    [SPOILER] Sage is Jubi theory.

    So after reading the latest chapter it has become apparent to me (and probably most of the base) that Obito is no longer what we know as Obito and is more like... Jubito.

    My theory is that the Sage of 6 pths himself was actually the Jubi to begin with, taking this information from the wikipedia 'Centuries ago, the sage defeated the most powerful demon in the ninja world, the Ten-Tails, and was praised as a god for the virtue of his victory.' Now as we have seen so far this beast seems to be unbeatable in terms of actual battle. So was this a physical battle, or in-fact a mental battle? A battle of minds for one to overcome the other. It is stated that the Jubi is the progenator of the world or from the wiki ' The Ten-Tails is considered to be the creator of the world, and the herald to its end should it ever be revived.' maybe they were one entity where one would be the good, while the other was the evil. We can see from the latest manga that the Jubi was not in its 'final' form.



    As you can see here that hachibi has said that this is complicated but that's not the jubi's final form, perhaps that's because it's final form is the 'sage' body that we usually see. You can see that half of Obito's body is not covered in that strange like pattern because simply Obito's not been fully taken over by the Jubi, look at this page.



    Look carefully at what Obito's doing. he's tearing away the part of the Jubi covering the other half of his face, why would he do this unless he himself is trying to fight a power struggle with the Jubi (sage) as he wants to be in control, this is simply another case of Kabutomaru.



    You can see here that Obito is losing his power over the jubi (sage) as even he doesn't or is starting to lose himself. Look at the shocked expression on his face when he questions them as they question his reaction.



    If you look carefully you can begin to see that the marks on his face are slowly getting closer to his rennigan, getting closer to being able to use his (sage) original jutsu for the Jubi(sage) purposes?

    Now compare these 2. Notice any differences between these 2?


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    In this second photo you can clearly see that Obito is absolutely incomplete as you can still see (I have numbered them) that each individual tail is still 'showing' as spikes protruding from his back where'as the sage doesn't have these protrusions. WHy you ask? Because the sage is the Jubi's physical manifestation as a 'human' budy, you can see in this picture that only ha;f his body is covered, why? Because (As I have indicated with arrows,m red being Jubi, blue being Obito) he's trying to fight the Jubi(sage) control over his body to remain 'on top'. Another interesting thing is if you look directly at the rinegan like thing on his back he has a black line stemming from it while the sage does nnit, what this shows is uncertain so I'll just say it's to show that the Jubi(sage) hasn't yet gained full control over his body.

    This theory would also explain how the sage got the rinnegan prior to 'defeating' the jubi, the reason simply being because he IS the Jubi as a physical 'human' manifestation of it's mind, one is the mind the other is the body.

    From the wiki it states 'Only those who possess the Rinnegan can fully decipher the contents of the tablet, while a reader with a lesser dōjutsu can still partially interpret the information.[8] Some time after creating the tailed beasts, the Sage told them that they would be together even when separated, and that one day they would again be a single entity.' This tells me that the sage(jubi) wanted to be revived and made sure of this by leaving this for his future generation, why you ask? because either he wanted to destroy the world (jubi) or he wanted to save the world (sage) this is backed up by Jiraiya himself as well as the wiki 'According to Jiraiya, the Sage was a monk who appeared long ago in an age of endless war. He was the first to discover the truth of chakra, and with it he tried to lead the world to an era of peace instead of conflict. He travelled across the land, spreading his ideal and religion, the Shinobi Sect (忍宗, Ninshū), which eventually came to be known as ninjutsu. His great deeds and ultimate desire to bring peace to the war-torn world made him widely known as theSaviour of this World (この世の救世主, Kono Yo no Kyūseishu).'

    Thank you for reading this long post, what do you think on the matter? What is your opinion?
     
         

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    Re: [SPOILER] Sage is Jubi theory.

    Is it weird that I thought the same thing when I saw the symbols? It ran through my mind so fast and I have predictions but I don't like Obito so to hell with them.
     
         

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    Re: [SPOILER] Sage is Jubi theory.

    NIce theory.

    though the Sage is Juubi NOW?
     
         

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    Re: [SPOILER] Sage is Jubi theory.

    I HAVE SAID IT ONCE AND I AM SAYING IT AGAIN, Rikudo and Juubi is like ZORC AND BAKURA, I CALLED IT :U
     
         

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    Re: [SPOILER] Sage is Jubi theory.

    Yeah Obito's back and Rikudo's back look alike, but Obito's Rinnegan on his back has a sharp black part under it, maybe because he is different. I'm not sure though. I guess your theory could foreshadow the future chapters. Good job! I think half of Obito's body has a pattern-like look because it was his injured/zetsu half.
     
         

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    Re: [SPOILER] Sage is Jubi theory.

    I have to agree that it might be the Sage might be the final form, since your evidence is quite clear.

    But remember, in that scene where the Sage is talking to the Tailed Beasts, how could he, since they are made from the 10 Tail's chakra. And the Sage had sons, that he might have made with The Creation of all Things, but it still makes sense to think that the Sage was simply it's Jinchuuriki and he might have split his own Chakra into the 9, and he would appear when they all formed together, like when Naruto reached the 8th Tail and Minato appeared.

    Good read, and here's hoping that what happens is just as interesting.
     
         

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    Re: [SPOILER] Sage is Jubi theory.

    Quote Originally Posted by MinatoTheYellowFlash View Post
    Is it weird that I thought the same thing when I saw the symbols? It ran through my mind so fast and I have predictions but I don't like Obito so to hell with them.
    Quote Originally Posted by x iiiMPerFeCT View Post
    I have to agree that it might be the Sage might be the final form, since your evidence is quite clear.

    But remember, in that scene where the Sage is talking to the Tailed Beasts, how could he, since they are made from the 10 Tail's chakra. And the Sage had sons, that he might have made with The Creation of all Things, but it still makes sense to think that the Sage was simply it's Jinchuuriki and he might have split his own Chakra into the 9, and he would appear when they all formed together, like when Naruto reached the 8th Tail and Minato appeared.

    Good read, and here's hoping that what happens is just as interesting.
    Thanks all very much, it took a lot of time to gather evidence and peace this together, I appreciate you reading this, and yeah I can see where you're coming from but right now I'd guess anything is possible and maybe we'll see what happens later on because right now this is probably the only way I can explain the sage
     
         

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    Re: [SPOILER] Sage is Jubi theory.

    I like comparison to kabuto, was thinking of it myself.
    Reason why obito cant fully control juubi is his half zetsu mokuton body that benefits juubi not obito.
     
         

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    Re: [SPOILER] Sage is Jubi theory.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaScythian View Post
    I like comparison to kabuto, was thinking of it myself.
    Reason why obito cant fully control juubi is his half zetsu mokuton body that benefits juubi not obito.
    Yeah, the moment I saw the body markings it just hit me that this is exactly like Kabutomaru, his half zetsu body is the half that's completely controlled if you noticed
     
         

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    Re: [SPOILER] Sage is Jubi theory.

    Also the tail coming from rinnegan indicated beastly nature or hatred
     
         

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    Re: [SPOILER] Sage is Jubi theory.

    It's a nice theory
     
         

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    Re: [SPOILER] Sage is Jubi theory.

    Quote Originally Posted by iNotorious View Post
    It's a nice theory
    Thank you very much :D

    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaScythian View Post
    Also the tail coming from rinnegan indicated beastly nature or hatred
    Personally I think that doing this will make Obito change his ways
     
         

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    Re: [SPOILER] Sage is Jubi theory.

    Very good, may I also add that Naruto's KCM seal and the stylized Rinnegan on Obito's back kinda looks alike:



    Except that the Rinnegan circles are concentric while Naruto's is a swirl
     
         

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    Re: [SPOILER] Sage is Jubi theory.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Derp Obito View Post
    Very good, may I also add that Naruto's KCM seal and the stylized Rinnegan on Obito's back kinda looks alike:



    Except that the Rinnegan circles are concentric while Naruto's is a swirl
    Oh wow thanks! I missed that one from my theory, that could make things even more like the sage as Naruto is incomplete as is Obito :o !!!
     
         

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    Re: [SPOILER] Sage is Jubi theory.

    Quote Originally Posted by StraawHat View Post
    Oh wow thanks! I missed that one from my theory, that could make things even more like the sage as Naruto is incomplete as is Obito :o !!!
    Yes, it could be indicative of that.
     
         

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    Re: [SPOILER] Sage is Jubi theory.

    The juubi transformed into obito.
    Look well in the chaPter yopu will see obito's dead body lying inbetween sasuke and minato so I guess the juubi took advantage of obitos body.

    Only the uzumaki's strong body and will can control the juubi and not the mixture of senju and uchiha dna.
     
         

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    Re: [SPOILER] Sage is Jubi theory.

    It's looking for Naruto the true SO6P.
     
         

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    Re: [SPOILER] Sage is Jubi theory.

    Quote Originally Posted by Honord Sage View Post
    It's looking for Naruto the true SO6P.
    At this point even that is possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarex View Post
    The juubi transformed into obito.
    Look well in the chaPter yopu will see obito's dead body lying inbetween sasuke and minato so I guess the juubi took advantage of obitos body.

    Only the uzumaki's strong body and will can control the juubi and not the mixture of senju and uchiha dna.
    I don't think he died because he still absorbed it's body into his, thus fully healing him, I think that the mixture of Uzu and Uchi is what the Uzu actually is.
     
         

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    Re: [SPOILER] Sage is Jubi theory.

    Seems possible,nice theory.
     
         

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    Re: [SPOILER] Sage is Jubi theory.

    Quote Originally Posted by xcoyote View Post
    Seems possible,nice theory.
    Thank you very much, next i'll have a theory on Madara's 'trump' card!
     
         

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