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    Re: Naruto Manga 484 Discussion and 485 Predictions

    I think Kishi should give Kakashi at least a new mangekyou technique...
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 484 Discussion and 485 Predictions

    About MS and EMS. I have some theories on how Kakashi got his MS and how he might get the EMS.
    To get the MS you need to kill someone close too you, but still it has been rumored that to lose someone close to you would be enough.


    What if you only need to kill/lose someone in your life once to have a chance in unlocking it. I was thinking that Obito died after Kakashi got his implanted so maybe he already back then had "done" what`s neccesary to unlock the MS later on. Maybe you don`t have to kill/lose a friend after you`ve fully upgraded your normal sharingan, maybe it`s enought just to lose someone once in your life and unlock the MS later when the eye(s) are ready?

    That`s my first theory about Kakashi getting the MS.

    Two days back i was reading through the Pain arc and i realised that when Kakashi "died" he said that he failed Obito`s will in protecting Rin.
    He also Said: "Father, Obito, Rin. My time to join you has come" or someting simular.


    It would be logical to say that Rin is dead from that line, and that her death might have been the key to Kakashi getting the MS. She might have died/been killed during the timeskip, so this way, Kakashi could have gotten the MS.

    That`s my second theory about Kakashi getting the MS.

    Moving on to the chance of him getting the EMS.

    Normally to get the EMS you must take the MS eyes of someone else and replace your own MS eyes with them so that they get new light.
    One thing that should have been possible then is that two peoples with MS could just swap eyes with eachother instead of one killing the other so they both could get the EMS.


    In the case with Madara and his brother, Madara`s eyes was already blind. So maybe both need to have "seeing" eyes to be able to swap. That would explain why they didn`t swap eyes.

    But when we take a look at Sasuke and Itachi`s eyes, we can see that they both were/are going almost blind. Itachi in his fight with Sasuke, and Sasuke now.

    Can someone still take another`s eye if that person`s eye already was blind?
    Maybe it can be done when they`re not fully blind. That can be the only explainable reason why Madara and his brother didn`t swap, since Madara was fully blind, and Itachi wasn`t when he died, so Sasuke can take his eyes.


    So back to the "only" way to obtain the EMS.

    To get it, someone`s MS eyes would need new light to their eyes, and the only way to obtain eternal light would be for their eyes to get another host so they would evolve into EMS.

    If that`s the case, which Madara says(because he did it) does that mean once someone`s sharingan have found a new host, they will never get blind even if it`s not a MS?

    For if that turns out to be true, then there should already be a chance for Kakashi unlocking EMS sinch his MS eye already have found a new host. Maybe you don`t have to take a MS eye to obtain EMS? Maybe it is enough to take a normal Sharingan and later on after unlocking the MS, you would have a chance to obtain the EMS without taking/swaping your eyes again.

    So if that theory turns out to be correct, then Kakashi`s MS eye will never get blind and he has a possibility to unlock EMS without taking/getting a new MS eye?

    Any thoughts?
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga 484 Discussion and 485 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteknight View Post
    Now that's actually a very good question. I think MS would have been known, at least by some people. If Madara is about 100 years old as I think I read, that's not too long for people to forget about his awesome MS powers. Sure, maybe they weren't teaching too many people about that secret since it requires killing people and the Uchiha don't want people to be murdering their friends to gain power.

    So MS is a secret from most people, but it wasn't a secret from everybody. You have to imagine that anybody who knew Madara back when he fought the first hokage would know about the power and would tell stories about it.

    Itachi was a wanted criminal, and didn't spend all his time sitting in some dark cave. He had obviously mastered his MS techniques, which means he must have used them. Using something that awesome there will always be witnesses who tell stories. Plus, wasn't it mentioned that Itachi was still secretly giving information back to Konoha about Akatsuki? If so, he could have mentioned some of his own powers.

    As to the individual powers, we know that different Uchiha seem to have different powers. So Itachi and Sasuke have Tsukyomi+Amaterasu+Susanoo. Kakashi has different ones (though we have only seen him use Kamui, he might have others like what Sasuke has. We don't know). If Kakashi doesn't have the same powers as Sasuke, I don't know how he would know anything about it. Also, if Madara had different powers from Sasuke (and it seems Madara was surprised about Sasuke's Susanoo, so I don't know if he had that), nobody would have been able to witness those powers in him.

    So I agree with you, it's all very strange that so many people seem to know so much about these powers. The only two theories I can think of were that people remembered Madara's powers and taught people about them, or Itachi was giving information about his powers to Konoha. Both of those seem a little bit unlikely. I wonder where this information comes from?
    here i think i know how they know about the MS abilities.
    they read the manga


    also saying that itachi gave info away about akatsuki? maybe itachi was jiraiyas source of information.
    also that can be how they know about amaterasu

    aslo the sand should know about Tsukuyomi and amaterasu because they are allies of the leaf and im sure they would let the sand know about itachi's powers
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 484 Discussion and 485 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruler Michael View Post
    About MS and EMS. I have some theories on how Kakashi got his MS and how he might get the EMS.
    To get the MS you need to kill someone close too you, but still it has been rumored that to lose someone close to you would be enough.


    What if you only need to kill/lose someone in your life once to have a chance in unlocking it. I was thinking that Obito died after Kakashi got his implanted so maybe he already back then had "done" what`s neccesary to unlock the MS later on. Maybe you don`t have to kill/lose a friend after you`ve fully upgraded your normal sharingan, maybe it`s enought just to lose someone once in your life and unlock the MS later when the eye(s) are ready?

    That`s my first theory about Kakashi getting the MS.

    Two days back i was reading through the Pain arc and i realised that when Kakashi "died" he said that he failed Obito`s will in protecting Rin.
    He also Said: "Father, Obito, Rin. My time to join you has come" or someting simular.


    It would be logical to say that Rin is dead from that line, and that her death might have been the key to Kakashi getting the MS. She might have died/been killed during the timeskip, so this way, Kakashi could have gotten the MS.

    That`s my second theory about Kakashi getting the MS.

    Moving on to the chance of him getting the EMS.

    Normally to get the EMS you must take the MS eyes of someone else and replace your own MS eyes with them so that they get new light.
    One thing that should have been possible then is that two peoples with MS could just swap eyes with eachother instead of one killing the other so they both could get the EMS.


    In the case with Madara and his brother, Madara`s eyes was already blind. So maybe both need to have "seeing" eyes to be able to swap. That would explain why they didn`t swap eyes.

    But when we take a look at Sasuke and Itachi`s eyes, we can see that they both were/are going almost blind. Itachi in his fight with Sasuke, and Sasuke now.

    Can someone still take another`s eye if that person`s eye already was blind?
    Maybe it can be done when they`re not fully blind. That can be the only explainable reason why Madara and his brother didn`t swap, since Madara was fully blind, and Itachi wasn`t when he died, so Sasuke can take his eyes.


    So back to the "only" way to obtain the EMS.

    To get it, someone`s MS eyes would need new light to their eyes, and the only way to obtain eternal light would be for their eyes to get another host so they would evolve into EMS.

    If that`s the case, which Madara says(because he did it) does that mean once someone`s sharingan have found a new host, they will never get blind even if it`s not a MS?

    For if that turns out to be true, then there should already be a chance for Kakashi unlocking EMS sinch his MS eye already have found a new host. Maybe you don`t have to take a MS eye to obtain EMS? Maybe it is enough to take a normal Sharingan and later on after unlocking the MS, you would have a chance to obtain the EMS without taking/swaping your eyes again.

    So if that theory turns out to be correct, then Kakashi`s MS eye will never get blind and he has a possibility to unlock EMS without taking/getting a new MS eye?

    Any thoughts?
    ya that is a good thought but still i think kakashi wont attain the ems but i agree that his ms might not get blind.............what i'm saying is kakashi wont get any new forms of sharingan like madara but his present sharingan will never fade........................
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 484 Discussion and 485 Predictions

    You brought up a lot of good points.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruler Michael View Post
    It would be logical to say that Rin is dead from that line, and that her death might have been the key to Kakashi getting the MS. She might have died/been killed during the timeskip, so this way, Kakashi could have gotten the MS.
    This is possible. I think Kakashi is just a genius and worked hard to unlock it using a different method though. Just because Madara said that's what you have to do, doesn't make it true. He may have lied just to get his hands on Shisui's eye. He is still chasing after it years later.. that tells me it was powerful (or just needed somehow) and he couldn't obtain it from Shisui on his own.

    So if that theory turns out to be correct, then Kakashi`s MS eye will never get blind and he has a possibility to unlock EMS without taking/getting a new MS eye?

    Any thoughts?
    I don't think his eye will ever go blind. If the MS drains Kakashi after a few uses, the EMS will probably be close to costing him his life so he may be able to only use it once at best.

    I see Kakashi developing several different types of MS abilities. I guess it really boils down to how he really developed the MS in the first place. If he was able to do it through some form of training instead of a loss, then he may be able to take it to EMS levels.

    Now in regards to forming the MS, if Kakashi gained the MS through the loss of Rin, it would have had to have been recently (the time skip like you mentioned). If it was just that type of loss at any point in your life, then Sasuke should have formed it prior to his battle with Itachi because of the loss he thought he suffered from the slaying of his clan.

    I assume Sasuke's eyes were ready long ago and that it wasn't awakened until he lost Itachi (or Itachi gave it to him, idk).
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 484 Discussion and 485 Predictions

    i bet this fight isnt going anywhere i think the real fight between naruto and sasuke will be held once again in the valley of the end ugh wish we didnt have to wait so long for the next chapter
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 484 Discussion and 485 Predictions

    well I once theorized about the possibility that the MS awakens a different ability in each person. Kakashi got kamui, shisui had mind control, madara has teleport, itachi not so sure but very proficient in genjutsu, sasuke we have yet to see his uniqueness.

    Asides that possiblity, I also pondered on the fact that kakashi has MS but doesn't go blind. It could be that he only uses it in dire situations and only uses the normal sharingan. he would resort to MS if in a life threatening situation, as he did vs pain, thus reducing the blinding effect of the MS use.

    OR it could be that kakashi's kamui is a variation of the normal MS techs and in turn uses less chakra, slowing down the blinding process. I say this because sasuke was able to make amaterasu disappear vs killerbee. madara is also able to make projectiles and himself disappear in a more flashy manner than kakashi, which suggests madara uses more chakra in using space/time jutsu. Such level of jutsu would undoubtedly put a strong strain on the MS. Since kakashi's kamui is not very accurate and has a scattered radius, maybe that's why he doesn't go blind as fast because he doesn't use as much chakra (or isn't able).


    As for using blind sharingans as replacements, do remember that when all light is gone from the user the eye seals itself. Just like izanagi, when you totally use up an eye up to the point where it loses all its light, it cannot be used again.

    Itachi's eyes were going bad, but were still functional. I suppose as long as the eye capts light it's still suitable for use.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 484 Discussion and 485 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruler Michael View Post
    About MS and EMS. I have some theories on how Kakashi got his MS and how he might get the EMS.
    To get the MS you need to kill someone close too you, but still it has been rumored that to lose someone close to you would be enough.


    What if you only need to kill/lose someone in your life once to have a chance in unlocking it. I was thinking that Obito died after Kakashi got his implanted so maybe he already back then had "done" what`s neccesary to unlock the MS later on. Maybe you don`t have to kill/lose a friend after you`ve fully upgraded your normal sharingan, maybe it`s enought just to lose someone once in your life and unlock the MS later when the eye(s) are ready?

    That`s my first theory about Kakashi getting the MS.

    Two days back i was reading through the Pain arc and i realised that when Kakashi "died" he said that he failed Obito`s will in protecting Rin.
    He also Said: "Father, Obito, Rin. My time to join you has come" or someting simular.


    It would be logical to say that Rin is dead from that line, and that her death might have been the key to Kakashi getting the MS. She might have died/been killed during the timeskip, so this way, Kakashi could have gotten the MS.

    That`s my second theory about Kakashi getting the MS.

    Moving on to the chance of him getting the EMS.

    Normally to get the EMS you must take the MS eyes of someone else and replace your own MS eyes with them so that they get new light.
    One thing that should have been possible then is that two peoples with MS could just swap eyes with eachother instead of one killing the other so they both could get the EMS.


    In the case with Madara and his brother, Madara`s eyes was already blind. So maybe both need to have "seeing" eyes to be able to swap. That would explain why they didn`t swap eyes.

    But when we take a look at Sasuke and Itachi`s eyes, we can see that they both were/are going almost blind. Itachi in his fight with Sasuke, and Sasuke now.

    Can someone still take another`s eye if that person`s eye already was blind?
    Maybe it can be done when they`re not fully blind. That can be the only explainable reason why Madara and his brother didn`t swap, since Madara was fully blind, and Itachi wasn`t when he died, so Sasuke can take his eyes.


    So back to the "only" way to obtain the EMS.

    To get it, someone`s MS eyes would need new light to their eyes, and the only way to obtain eternal light would be for their eyes to get another host so they would evolve into EMS.

    If that`s the case, which Madara says(because he did it) does that mean once someone`s sharingan have found a new host, they will never get blind even if it`s not a MS?

    For if that turns out to be true, then there should already be a chance for Kakashi unlocking EMS sinch his MS eye already have found a new host. Maybe you don`t have to take a MS eye to obtain EMS? Maybe it is enough to take a normal Sharingan and later on after unlocking the MS, you would have a chance to obtain the EMS without taking/swaping your eyes again.

    So if that theory turns out to be correct, then Kakashi`s MS eye will never get blind and he has a possibility to unlock EMS without taking/getting a new MS eye?

    Any thoughts?
    Yeah you make some good points my friend but i don't think that Kakashi will get the ems. And i do think that his eye will never go blind and that he may have several other ms techniques(hopefully).:D
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 484 Discussion and 485 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by donnic View Post
    i bet this fight isnt going anywhere i think the real fight between naruto and sasuke will be held once again in the valley of the end ugh wish we didnt have to wait so long for the next chapter
    I agree the chapter should update 3 times a week or something like that!
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 484 Discussion and 485 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruler Michael View Post
    Normally to get the EMS you must take the MS eyes of someone else and replace your own MS eyes with them so that they get new light.
    I don't think it's necessary to take the MS sharingan off someone, Itachi faked taking Saskue's eyes when he did not have the MS sharingan. I doubt Itachi would miss that detail from his "master plan".
     
         

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