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    HiruZen is so pathetic now :(?

    HiruZen is always gonna be one of my faves but why is he so weak and useless now ? His character is great . His attitude is amazing and his fighting style rocks but why didn't he get upgraded ? Did Kishi ever say way he gave up on hiruZen ?
     
         

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    He's fodder

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    Re: HiruZen is so pathetic now :(?

    I'm more pissed Monkey King Enma didn't come back
     
         

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    Re: HiruZen is so pathetic now :(?

    It's called patience. The manga never ended and the Hokages are still around fighting. Just wait for his feats to come!
     
         

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    Re: HiruZen is so pathetic now :(?

    Quote Originally Posted by startup97 View Post
    It's called patience. The manga never ended and the Hokages are still around fighting. Just wait for his feats to come!
    But his Only feat is getting damaged in recent mangas ...
     
         

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    Re: HiruZen is so pathetic now :(?

    His feats are getting fodderized numerous amounts of times
     
         

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    Re: HiruZen is so pathetic now :(?

    naw he a fodder
     
         

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    Hiruzen fanboy will come....
     
         

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    Re: HiruZen is so pathetic now :(?

    hiruzen is a weakling and has pure hype with no feats to justify it.

    this is his chance to show what he is capable of. as of now he is the weakest of the hokages.
     
         

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    Re: HiruZen is so pathetic now :(?

    What's a king to a God? Basically sums this up.
     
         

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    Re: HiruZen is so pathetic now :(?

    Quote Originally Posted by startup97 View Post
    It's called patience. The manga never ended and the Hokages are still around fighting. Just wait for his feats to come!
    word i agree
     
         

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    Re: HiruZen is so pathetic now :(?

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    He's fodder

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    in the beginning he was quite an important character.
     
         

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    Re: HiruZen is so pathetic now :(?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheCrossroads View Post
    What's a king to a God? Basically sums this up.
    True, what most people never realized is that the people (in the manga) who thought Hiruzen was the strongest Hokage were commoners(villagers) and weaklings(Hiruka)...really powerful and knowledgeable shinobis(like Oro and Kabuto) always knew that Hiruzen wasn´t the strongest.When all 4 Edo Hokages were gathered Orochimaru clearly adressed only one of them as ´´God of Shinobi´´...Suigetsu did the same when referring to Hashirama.

    The only reason people thought Hiruzen´s hype was true was because of his so called ´´fight´´ against Edo Hashirama and Edo Tobirama, people forget that Oro clearly stated he was TOYING with Hiruzen, it was NEVER a serious fight (except on Hiruzen´s side, who was trying his best)....Moreover we now know that those were very watered down versions of the 1st and the 2nd who were toying with him...Hell, even now Tobirama said this time Hashirama and him were brought back at NEARLY full power!!! Nearly!!..Enough said.

    Hiruzen was thought of (again by people who didn´t really know) as the strongest because Hashirama was a myth in most people´s eyes, so they immediately dismissed his power as being a fairy tale.But as shown in his fight against Full power Kyubi+PS armor+EMS Madara the guy´s power was far from a myth.

    I think it´s safe to say that in the best of cases Hiruzen is only stronger than Tsunade and even that may not be true.Even Tobirama (Creator ET,S/T jutsu,best Water style jutsu user,Killed Izuna) who has had far less panel time has more feats than Hiruzen.

    Also i think given what we have seen, most people would now agree that as far as Edo Hokages go...Hashirama is number one and Minato second.
     
         

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    Re: HiruZen is so pathetic now :(?

    Quote Originally Posted by juankimari View Post
    True, what most people never realized is that the people (in the manga) who thought Hiruzen was the strongest Hokage were commoners(villagers) and weaklings(Hiruka)...really powerful and knowledgeable shinobis(like Oro and Kabuto) always knew that Hiruzen wasn´t the strongest.When all 4 Edo Hokages were gathered Orochimaru clearly adressed only one of them as ´´God of Shinobi´´...Suigetsu did the same when referring to Hashirama.

    The only reason people thought Hiruzen´s hype was true was because of his so called ´´fight´´ against Edo Hashirama and Edo Tobirama, people forget that Oro clearly stated he was TOYING with Hiruzen, it was NEVER a serious fight (except on Hiruzen´s side, who was trying his best)....Moreover we now know that those were very watered down versions of the 1st and the 2nd who were toying with him...Hell, even now Tobirama said this time Hashirama and him were brought back at NEARLY full power!!! Nearly!!..Enough said.

    Hiruzen was thought of (again by people who didn´t really know) as the strongest because Hashirama was a myth in most people´s eyes, so they immediately dismissed his power as being a fairy tale.But as shown in his fight against Full power Kyubi+PS armor+EMS Madara the guy´s power was far from a myth.

    I think it´s safe to say that in the best of cases Hiruzen is only stronger than Tsunade and even that may not be true.Even Tobirama (Creator ET,S/T jutsu,best Water style jutsu user,Killed Izuna) who has had far less panel time has more feats than Hiruzen.

    Also i think given what we have seen, most people would now agree that as far as Edo Hokages go...Hashirama is number one and Minato second.
    you explained this very well!
     
         

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    Re: HiruZen is so pathetic now :(?

    Well currently he the weakest Kage.
     
         

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    Re: HiruZen is so pathetic now :(?

    we just cant speculate anything now.

    the first thing is Hiruzen hasnt shown anything yet. he just used his jutsu to test the elemental powers of Obito. we dont know what tier he is actually.

    its true that people of Hiruzens time thought that Hashiramas powers were myth,yet hashirama was addressed as God of Shinobi. and after that Hiruzen gained the monicker.

    what can we infer from this? The God of Shinobi monicker is given by the people.

    it is not a wrestling match where the winner(most powerfull) takes away the title.so saying that Hashirama alone is God of Shinobi is stupid. moreover, this is not a Monotheisthic religion where there is an emphasis for one true god. it is more polytheisthic where you can have several gods . so this menas there are three god of shinobis.

    if we have to go by the order to decide who the God of Shinobi is. then doesnt that mean that S06P is the only god of Shinobis?

    another thing is, Hiruzen was hailed as God of Shinobis which means he was powerfull enough to gain the monicker.

    if it was the villagers and fodders who calls him God then, why wasnt the Yellow flash called so?(this doesnt mean that Hiruzen iss powerfull or weaker than Yellow flash,it just means that Hiruzen is powerfull and not ofdder level).

    Oro himself said that Hiruzen would have easily killed him if he was 10 years ago. to be honest,we dont know anything about Hiruzens powers.

    he wasnt revived for nothing. anything the forum does is overanalysis. instead of overanalysing, let us just wait patiently for hte manga to show it(Hiruzens arsenals,if he has it).

    with too many characters now, i doubt whether KIshi can show all feats. its his work. we just have to be patient
     
         

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    Re: HiruZen is so pathetic now :(?

    He needed to be dehyped for Hashirama to shine.
     
         

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    Re: HiruZen is so pathetic now :(?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Derp Obito View Post
    He needed to be dehyped for Hashirama to shine.
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    OT: He's not useless.. when you have a king in the presence of a God, the king is nothing.
     
         

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    Re: HiruZen is so pathetic now :(?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheCrossroads View Post
    Liking the Deathwing sig! Too bad Warcraft lore is going to crap..

    OT: He's not useless.. when you have a king in the presence of a God, the king is nothing.
    Hiruzen is more of a demigod rather than a king!
     
         

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    Re: HiruZen is so pathetic now :(?

    He came back the way he died. That for sure is not his prime. Another thing is that we still don't know all he got just yet. He is injured but it don't mean he is useless. Everyone plays a role in the victory of this war.
     
         

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    Re: HiruZen is so pathetic now :(?

    Quote Originally Posted by grizzlyshree View Post
    Hiruzen is more of a demigod rather than a king!
    Due to hype, yes.

    We actually haven't seen many feats from Hiruzen. I'm patiently waiting, though.
     
         

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    Re: HiruZen is so pathetic now :(?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicBoss HD View Post
    He's fodder

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    until Itachi's debut he was top 2
     
         

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    Re: HiruZen is so pathetic now :(?

    Quote Originally Posted by startup97 View Post
    It's called patience. The manga never ended and the Hokages are still around fighting. Just wait for his feats to come!
    Exactly! Just because a character has not shown great feats does not mean they do not have great feats to show. It just means they haven't shown them just yet. That is a very common mistake many have shown on Narutobase.
     
         

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    Re: HiruZen is so pathetic now :(?

    Quote Originally Posted by juankimari View Post
    True, what most people never realized is that the people (in the manga) who thought Hiruzen was the strongest Hokage were commoners(villagers) and weaklings(Hiruka)...really powerful and knowledgeable shinobis(like Oro and Kabuto) always knew that Hiruzen wasn´t the strongest.
    Wrong.

    No where was it ever stated it was just the villagers that considered Hiruzen to be that strong, Oro nor Kabuto directly refuted this hype that hiruzen had.
    Infact Kabuto simply added to his hype by saying he is known has the strongest of the 5 kages during the time of his death.



    Quote Originally Posted by juankimari View Post
    The only reason people thought Hiruzen´s hype was true was because of his so called ´´fight´´ against Edo Hashirama and Edo Tobirama, people forget that Oro clearly stated he was TOYING with Hiruzen, it was NEVER a serious fight (except on Hiruzen´s side, who was trying his best)....Moreover we now know that those were very watered down versions of the 1st and the 2nd who were toying with him...Hell, even now Tobirama said this time Hashirama and him were brought back at NEARLY full power!!! Nearly!!..Enough said.
    Yet you fail to understand that Oro + Edo hashi and tobirama were fighting a watered down version of Hiruzen, Since Both Oro and Enma stated his old state was nothing compared to his prime state.

    Quote Originally Posted by juankimari View Post
    Hiruzen was thought of (again by people who didn´t really know) as the strongest because Hashirama was a myth in most people´s eyes, so they immediately dismissed his power as being a fairy tale.But as shown in his fight against Full power Kyubi+PS armor+EMS Madara the guy´s power was far from a myth.
    You do know that when Hiruzen was deemed the god of shinobi and as the strongest hokage, People during hashirama's time were still alive.
    Hiruzen's prime was only like 10/20 years after Hashirama's death, People who knew hashirama were still alive during that time.


    Quote Originally Posted by juankimari View Post
    I think it´s safe to say that in the best of cases Hiruzen is only stronger than Tsunade and even that may not be true.Even Tobirama (Creator ET,S/T jutsu,best Water style jutsu user,Killed Izuna) who has had far less panel time has more feats than Hiruzen.
    Tobirama isn't the best water style user, Nor has he been stated to. He also killed izuna in unknown circumstances, If your saying Tobirama > old hiruzen then i'd agree with you.

    Quote Originally Posted by juankimari View Post
    Also i think given what we have seen, most people would now agree that as far as Edo Hokages go...Hashirama is number one and Minato second.
    Again i would agree, Simply because hiruzen was brought back in his old state. People need to realise it was a Prime Young hiruzen who got Strongest hokage/God of shinobi hype not his old state.
     
         

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