Who would win.....

[SHARINGAN_USER UCHIHA_ITACHI]

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[a thousand years of death]

what are you lot on about? j man loosing to orochimaru.
orochimaru didnt stand a chance against itachi let alone be able to fight pein

id say naruto's team.
we already know madara is not invulnerable. he can be hit with a counter attack.
kakashi said madaras time/space ninjutsu was more advanced than the fourths but we dont know really as all we have seen is that madara doesnt need hand signs or to mark the area. we also dont know if it has any draw backs.
also madara and minato never actually fought so we cant really say madara has beaten him. id say you should take them out of the fight because we dont know much about them.

id say narutos team would work together alot better than sasukes so narutos team wins.

[John Constantine]

yay steinbiz the senju fanboy has arrived lol.

Watch how all of akatsuki level characters become standard jounins lol

To him they become more like genins..

[twistedlink]

what are you lot on about? j man loosing to orochimaru.
orochimaru didnt stand a chance against itachi let alone be able to fight pein

id say naruto's team.
we already know madara is not invulnerable. he can be hit with a counter attack.
kakashi said madaras time/space ninjutsu was more advanced than the fourths but we dont know really as all we have seen is that madara doesnt need hand signs or to mark the area. we also dont know if it has any draw backs.
also madara and minato never actually fought so we cant really say madara has beaten him. id say you should take them out of the fight because we dont know much about them.

id say narutos team would work together alot better than sasukes so narutos team wins.

Madara and Minato DID fight.

Its senju fanboys like steinbiz who say he didnt and everyone believes him

LOOK FOR YOURSELF

Naruto 440 page 08 | One Manga

Naruto 440 page 10 | One Manga

"He saw through everything I did"

Tobi/Madara DID fight and WIN against Minato.

So Minato did what had to be done, sealed the fox, and left Tobi less powerful, so tobi fled.

[The Pervy Sage]

To him they become more like genins..

Lmao funny



Anyway.....

I think you cant say anything as you wouldnt know who would fight against who for sure, they would all look for the best advantage.


Though we all know Vegeta would win lol

[niblack89]

Orochimaru Def Jiraiya - Because lets face it... he is stronger

Orochimaru VS Jiraiya - Orochimaru wins

Tell me on thing. I would like to know ur supplier because that weed ya smokin seems to be great for u to say Orochimaru is stronger than Jiraiya with sage mode. Maybe he can beat him base mode but sage mode is another level

Minato and tobi didn't really fight it was merely tobi sending the kyuubi at him which even he was powerless to defeat. That was like bringing a knife to a gun fight, it was like punching in the ball. Minato sealed the fox in Naruto so tobi can't hit Naruto in the balls like he did him.

Naruto Vs Sasuke= Even

Sage mode Jiraiya Vs Orochimaru= Jiraiya Jiraiya couldn't handle the 4tails but if you think about it Oro had a missing arm and had to use that replacement jutsu a few times Jiraiya doesn't have jutsu like that. I think base mode Oro is stronger than Jiraiya but not by that much but sage mode increases Jiraiya by alot even if they were even Oro would eventually run out of chakra Jiraiya to begain with has more chakra than he does times that by 2 and beast. also J-man has ma & pa say with his abilities and theirs Oro is stronger. Actually thinking about it if all the pains fought J-man he could have won if he was to use the frog song when they all came they would be dead.

Minato Vs Itachi = Minato that fight is hard because of Sasanoo but Mianto has more chakra than Itachi and so his Sasanoo will run out, also Minato can get caught his speed and the thunder god just wait till he can't use Sasnaoo and instant death. Itachi doesn't have speed over him doesn't have intelligence over him, his sharingan will fail because he can't read his movements and Minato isn't a novice he knows all about genjutsu. also as seem Minato was a master at making seals creating to of the most powerful seal jutsus out there.

Kakashi Vs Danzo= Kakashi I say this because even though Danzo has Izagani Kakashi will eventually figure it out once that happens its just a matter of waiting till it runs out and Kakashi is a master at dogging and hiding hell he could use a lightning clone and Waite till it runs out a get him from the back. Danzo is nothing with out his Izagani. We don't know if shisui's eye's genjutsu can be canceled by another sharingan's eye.

Madara Vs sandaime= Madara in his prime had control of the fox and it was stated by other peoples opinion's that sandaime was stronger than Hashirama but looking at the proof it seem to be thee other way around lets not put in the fact that he can control buji. his wood technique was twice or even three times as powerful as Yamato and we can guess that he was intelligent, good at genjutsu (that darkness jutsu was his in the Manga). Sandaime seems to have been strong maybe stronger than tobirama but Hashirama was said to be the only one to be able to handle Madara at his strongest.

[twistedlink]

Jiraiya nearly did when Naruto went 4 tails.

Orochimarus body which was rejecting him so he wasnt at his prime didn't have much trouble against 4 tails, he played with it as another member has stated.

Jiraiya admits he failed to capture Orochimaru and failed every fight.

Orochimaru is stronger than Jiraiya, even in sage mode.

Everyone loves sage mode a little bit too much.

As to sage mode making Naruto faster, eh, the latest piece of "evidence" was Naruto bursting in to get sakura, however as we saw he wasn't even in sage mode, plus sasukes knackered and 90% blind and kakashis bandy legged from Kamui.

Sage mode also didn't conquer Pain.

What people have to realise is Naruto had tonnes of help against a WEAKENED pain

1.Infortmation
2.Locations
3.Summons
4.Hinata
5.9 tailed fox no less
6.His dad restoring the seal.
7.Pain had fought Kakashi and while that didn't exhaust him a lot, it sure did put those 2 bodies to their limit, even pain admitted not killing Kakashi would lead to future annoyances
8.Pain levelled an entire city using a ****load of chakra, to the point his most powerful body was out for the majority of the fight where Naruto had a clear advantage and still only just became level against the other 5 bodies with points with help from 5 frogs.


Jiraiya was less skilled at sage mode

Minato is over-rated

Kakashis cool but has severe lack in chakra

3rd hokages great n' all but even he said in his prime itd still be a hell of a close call him vs orochimaru, and even then it was probably death god jutsu.

I'm not saying it'd be easy, but Sasukes team would win

[Sage Minato]

Naruto + Kakashi + Jiraiya + Minato + Sandaim

Verses

Sasuke + Itachi + Ororchimaru + Danzou + Madara

Okay Guys basically, i thought of all the main good guys and bad guys of naruto

It will be interesting to see who you guys would think would win..

I think its a fairytale battle but oh well... lets hear wt u think

safe

naruto vs sasuke- naruto wins definately

itachi vs kakashi- itachi wins handsdown

orochimaru vs jaraiya- good battle but i think jaraiya will be victorious because of sage mode.

danzou vs minato-minato beats him down to a pulp cause he's way to fast for him.

Sondaime vs Madara- if the sondaime was in his prime he would definately whoop madara(if he didn't have the ems)

So in the end it's just itachi against naruto, jaraiya, minato and sondaime so in the end naruto's team would win cause itachi is good but he can't take on two hokage's and two sage's. But if madara did by some miracle beat sondaime he and itachi would have to fight naruto, jaraiya, and minato and that would be interesting cause naruto has the nine tailed fox and jaraiya and naruto are toad sages and have sage chakra, the 4th hokage would have that god justsu thing but two ms users would put up a fight against narutos team cause i think both of them or at least madara would be able to control the nine tailed fox or at least surpress his powers.

[John Constantine]

Tell me on thing. I would like to know ur supplier because that weed ya smokin seems to be great for u to say Orochimaru is stronger than Jiraiya with sage mode. Maybe he can beat him base mode but sage mode is another level

Minato and tobi didn't really fight it was merely tobi sending the kyuubi at him which even he was powerless to defeat. That was like bringing a knife to a gun fight, it was like punching in the ball. Minato sealed the fox in Naruto so tobi can't hit Naruto in the balls like he did him.

You the one who have to watch out for your hallucinogenic intake..

[Siberia]

It would be difficult but this team would propably win..

[aconjunto]

If all of them are in their's "golden years" I would say:

Naruto vs Sasuke : Sasuke
Itachi vs Kakashi: Itachi
J-Man vs Oro: Oro
Danzo vs Minato: mmm.... Minato
Sandaime vs Madara: Madara

Sasuke's team its too much overpowered.
Naruto's team might be:

Naruto
Kirabi
4th
1st
Kakashi

[Er0c]

Jiraiya nearly did when Naruto went 4 tails.

Orochimarus body which was rejecting him so he wasnt at his prime didn't have much trouble against 4 tails, he played with it as another member has stated.

That is just dumb reasoning.. You said Jiraya almost died ehh? Like Jiraya could go all out against his own pupil. He fought to stop Naruto without hurting him, while Orochimaru didn't have to think about going easy against Naruto 4-tail.

[Deidara Akatsuki]

Jiraiya nearly did when Naruto went 4 tails.

Orochimarus body which was rejecting him so he wasnt at his prime didn't have much trouble against 4 tails, he played with it as another member has stated.

Jiraiya admits he failed to capture Orochimaru and failed every fight.

Orochimaru is stronger than Jiraiya, even in sage mode.

Everyone loves sage mode a little bit too much.

As to sage mode making Naruto faster, eh, the latest piece of "evidence" was Naruto bursting in to get sakura, however as we saw he wasn't even in sage mode, plus sasukes knackered and 90% blind and kakashis bandy legged from Kamui.

Sage mode also didn't conquer Pain.

What people have to realise is Naruto had tonnes of help against a WEAKENED pain

1.Infortmation
2.Locations
3.Summons
4.Hinata
5.9 tailed fox no less
6.His dad restoring the seal.
7.Pain had fought Kakashi and while that didn't exhaust him a lot, it sure did put those 2 bodies to their limit, even pain admitted not killing Kakashi would lead to future annoyances
8.Pain levelled an entire city using a ****load of chakra, to the point his most powerful body was out for the majority of the fight where Naruto had a clear advantage and still only just became level against the other 5 bodies with points with help from 5 frogs.


Jiraiya was less skilled at sage mode

Minato is over-rated

Kakashis cool but has severe lack in chakra

3rd hokages great n' all but even he said in his prime itd still be a hell of a close call him vs orochimaru, and even then it was probably death god jutsu.

I'm not saying it'd be easy, but Sasukes team would win

Agreed in every department.. Fanboys are always gonna say jiraiya is powerfuller then Oro...

What would jiraiya do, if oro summons the 1st 2nd and 4th... hes up shit creek then isnt he...

[twistedlink]

That is just dumb reasoning.. You said Jiraya almost died ehh? Like Jiraya could go all out against his own pupil. He fought to stop Naruto without hurting him, while Orochimaru didn't have to think about going easy against Naruto 4-tail.

Its not dumb reasoning.

Jiraiya himself knew that the fox cloak protects him, he told Kakashi that.

Jiraiya could easily go all out without having to worry about hurting him at all.

He ended up placing the seal on him to stop the 4tails going haywire too, he did succeed in getting rid of 4 tails, but he nearly died doing it.

Oro didn't, and was kicking 4tails around like mad.

My reasoning seems dumb to FANBOYS.

I dont see how sage mode is supposed to protect naruto against susanou firing arrows that even KAKASHI WITH SHARINGAN said was TOO FAST.

You can only go as fast as your eyes can see, if youre going at 10,000mph youll see blurs.

This is what Minato was telling kakashi about chidori before sharingan, because kakashi was moving so fast his eyes couldnt see his surroundings for counter attacks, until he got the sharingan because sharingan can read fast movements, like hand signs etc, and kakashi can use as seen in 2nd bell training super fast hand signs we havent seen anyone else manage.

Then while these arrows are shooting down at Naruto he has to escape massive waves of black flame, while not looking at sasuke AT ALL or he gets caught in genjutsu, not to mention the fact that sasuke is nimble, and fast, and dodges most attacks he's ever been hit with, or lands well after being hit.

Sasuke right now is an OP sunnuva *****, and if he gets EMS remember he gets a new eye tech with it as well, as Itachi said, EMS grants a whole new jutsu.

Sage mode is balls compared to all of that, Narutos gonna need a lot more

[niblack89]

Jiraiya nearly did when Naruto went 4 tails.

Orochimarus body which was rejecting him so he wasnt at his prime didn't have much trouble against 4 tails, he played with it as another member has stated.

Jiraiya admits he failed to capture Orochimaru and failed every fight.

Orochimaru is stronger than Jiraiya, even in sage mode.

Everyone loves sage mode a little bit too much.

As to sage mode making Naruto faster, eh, the latest piece of "evidence" was Naruto bursting in to get sakura, however as we saw he wasn't even in sage mode, plus sasukes knackered and 90% blind and kakashis bandy legged from Kamui.

Sage mode also didn't conquer Pain.

What people have to realise is Naruto had tonnes of help against a WEAKENED pain

1.Infortmation
2.Locations
3.Summons
4.Hinata
5.9 tailed fox no less
6.His dad restoring the seal.
7.Pain had fought Kakashi and while that didn't exhaust him a lot, it sure did put those 2 bodies to their limit, even pain admitted not killing Kakashi would lead to future annoyances
8.Pain levelled an entire city using a ****load of chakra, to the point his most powerful body was out for the majority of the fight where Naruto had a clear advantage and still only just became level against the other 5 bodies with points with help from 5 frogs.


Jiraiya was less skilled at sage mode

Minato is over-rated

Kakashis cool but has severe lack in chakra

3rd hokages great n' all but even he said in his prime itd still be a hell of a close call him vs orochimaru, and even then it was probably death god jutsu.

I'm not saying it'd be easy, but Sasukes team would win

Oro and Jiraiya were young when Oro they fought I actually dough that Jiraiya had sage mode when they fought. Also as I said before if Oro didn't have that replacement jutsu he would be dead. Also I can't see Jiraiya that far away from Oro without sage mode. Jiraiya was at his prime when he was facing pain that was the best of what jiraiya had. along with an increase in everything he has with sage mode he has ma & pa I see no summing that Oro had to be nearly as great as those two.

I can't see Oro taking out 3 of pains bodies. first he is a close and mid range fighter which is no option against pain unless you have a something like a complete sage mode which only Naruto had.

Also Pain was no where near weakened I hate when people claim that Nagato was weakened WHO THE HELL TOLD HIM TO SEVERALLY UNDERESTIMATE NARUTO AND BLOW UP A VILLAGE? He didn't seem all that weak to me the only disadvantage was no use of God realm. If he were to use god realm at the start who knows he could have won. but all the other pains should be just as deadly. also Nagato was running out of pain bodies like hot cakes since he didn't have to give them chakra they should have been stronger since they are more concentrated. Naruto had the will and power and he won. kyuubi help or not. Naruto had help from summonings Nagato had 6 high level bodies who are his use of summonings cheating? Without help no one could have won but pain attacked a whole village and didn't expect that no one would figure out his powers? when Naruto arrived at the Kakuzu fight they explained his abilities that was cheating also. Naruto won a fair fight with God realm was that cheating also?
super saiyan was over rated the sharingan is over rated sage mode is new and great advantage to counter the super haxed sharingan. Madara already has super sharingan 3

[twistedlink]

And anyway, Naruto in sage mode said a 5 second gap was too small for him to get at Pain, IN SAGE MODE, yet he's meant to be fast enough to dodge INSTANT amaterasu???

Yeah right!

[twistedlink]

Oro and Jiraiya were young when Oro they fought I actually dough that Jiraiya had sage mode when they fought. Also as I said before if Oro didn't have that replacement jutsu he would be dead. Also I can't see Jiraiya that far away from Oro without sage mode. Jiraiya was at his prime when he was facing pain that was the best of what jiraiya had. along with an increase in everything he has with sage mode he has ma & pa I see no summing that Oro had to be nearly as great as those two.

I can't see Oro taking out 3 of pains bodies. first he is a close and mid range fighter which is no option against pain unless you have a something like a complete sage mode which only Naruto had.

Also Pain was no where near weakened I hate when people claim that Nagato was weakened WHO THE HELL TOLD HIM TO SEVERALLY UNDERESTIMATE NARUTO AND BLOW UP A VILLAGE? He didn't seem all that weak to me the only disadvantage was no use of God realm. If he were to use god realm at the start who knows he could have won. but all the other pains should be just as deadly. also Nagato was running out of pain bodies like hot cakes since he didn't have to give them chakra they should have been stronger since they are more concentrated. Naruto had the will and power and he won. kyuubi help or not. Naruto had help from summonings Nagato had 6 high level bodies who are his use of summonings cheating? Without help no one could have won but pain attacked a whole village and didn't expect that no one would figure out his powers? when Naruto arrived at the Kakuzu fight they explained his abilities that was cheating also. Naruto won a fair fight with God realm was that cheating also?
super saiyan was over rated the sharingan is over rated sage mode is new and great advantage to counter the super haxed sharingan. Madara already has super sharingan 3

The entire argument is based upon timeline assumptions (Jiraiya trained sage mode very young actually, while writing that book, it showed him sitting on those spikes on a block, very young indeed).

Ugh the whole nagato 6 body thnig, thats his TECHNIQUE.

Nobody said narutos cheating but he had a lot more help against Nagato and Pain than ANY OTHER CHARACTER

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Naruto + Kakashi + Jiraiya + Minato + Sandaim

Verses

Sasuke + Itachi + Ororchimaru + Danzou + Madara

Okay Guys basically, i thought of all the main good guys and bad guys of naruto

It will be interesting to see who you guys would think would win..

I think its a fairytale battle but oh well... lets hear wt u think

safe

Naruto vs. Sasuke= a toss up. Maybe a draw.
Itachi vs. Kakashi=Itachi.
Orochimaru vs. Jiraiya= Jiraiya. I dont care about what happened when Naruto went four tailed. You have to remember that Jiraiya was trying to repress the Kyuubi chakra and it took him completely by surprise, whereas Orochimaru dealt with Naruto in his first and third tailed forms, wasn't trying to surpress it, and really wouldn't care if Naruto died. If Jiraiya uses sage mode plus the hermit art: the fryer technique, Orochimaru won't regenerate from that. Nor the Chou Oodama Rasengan which was said to have enough power to hollow out a mountain.
Minato vs. Danzo= Hmm. We don't really know anything about Minato. We just know about the dead demon consuming seal, the four trigrams seal, and the flying thunder god jutsu. I'm sure Minato is stronger, but we don't know enough. I'd say Danzo for now.
Sandaime vs. Madara= Again, we don't really know what Madara's abilities are. He's only displayed the Earth release technique, strength, and the teleport technique. He owned Fu and Torune pretty badly though. That was a spectacular fight. I'd say Madara just based on the fact that Hiruzen wouldn't be able to touch him.

P.S. Itachi and Danzo aren't "bad guys". Danzo was doing things for Konoha's interest, except they were dirty. Itachi remained loyal to Konoha.

Right now, I'd say the "bad guys" team.

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Lmao funny



Anyway.....

I think you cant say anything as you wouldnt know who would fight against who for sure, they would all look for the best advantage.


Though we all know Vegeta would win lol

To be honest... Vegeta could probably take on all the tailed beasts himself and win. Tailed beasts cant even take out a planet together. Vegeta was stronger than Frieza by the end of Dragonball, and Frieza could blow up planets with ease. Heck even Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga could do that lol.

Anyways, yeah.

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Jiraiya nearly did when Naruto went 4 tails.

Orochimarus body which was rejecting him so he wasnt at his prime didn't have much trouble against 4 tails, he played with it as another member has stated.

Jiraiya admits he failed to capture Orochimaru and failed every fight.

Orochimaru is stronger than Jiraiya, even in sage mode.

Everyone loves sage mode a little bit too much.

As to sage mode making Naruto faster, eh, the latest piece of "evidence" was Naruto bursting in to get sakura, however as we saw he wasn't even in sage mode, plus sasukes knackered and 90% blind and kakashis bandy legged from Kamui.

Sage mode also didn't conquer Pain.

What people have to realise is Naruto had tonnes of help against a WEAKENED pain

1.Infortmation
2.Locations
3.Summons
4.Hinata
5.9 tailed fox no less
6.His dad restoring the seal.
7.Pain had fought Kakashi and while that didn't exhaust him a lot, it sure did put those 2 bodies to their limit, even pain admitted not killing Kakashi would lead to future annoyances
8.Pain levelled an entire city using a ****load of chakra, to the point his most powerful body was out for the majority of the fight where Naruto had a clear advantage and still only just became level against the other 5 bodies with points with help from 5 frogs.


Jiraiya was less skilled at sage mode

Minato is over-rated

Kakashis cool but has severe lack in chakra

3rd hokages great n' all but even he said in his prime itd still be a hell of a close call him vs orochimaru, and even then it was probably death god jutsu.

I'm not saying it'd be easy, but Sasukes team would win

1. Information is part of a battle. Doesn't matter HOW you get it. If nobody had info on abilities, or resources, then all battles would be different.
2. I'll give you that Naruto had enough foresight to leave shadow clones at Myobokuzan
3. We don't know exactly what happened with the summons. It was a cloud of smoke. We only have what Fukasaku said. "Get ready, the three of us together can summon something pretty strong!"
4. The Nine-Tails also aids Naruto in life threatening situations. Getting yanked out of Naruto and resealed would probably fall under this. The Nine-tails is part of Narutos arsenal, just like the Rinnegan is part of Pains.
5. His dad being sealed within him is also part of his arsenal because its within him.
6. Pain was stupid enough to use all that chakra, barge in like a herd of elephants, and then expect not to encounter Kakashi, Tsunade, Kiba and his Mom, Choji and his dad, and all of the other Konoha shinobi. Even Konan said "why do you insist upon this madness?"

Yeah, Pain was also trying to capture Naruto and not kill him, but Naruto hasn't killed anybody since that Itachi wannabe. The Kyuubi was also influencing him at the time.

Same thing with Orochimaru vs. Jiraiya. Jiraiya was trying to capture Orochimaru and bring him back, whereas Orochimaru didn't give a damn.

Fukasaku said that Sage Mode increases your physical abilities.
Speed= big chunk of your physical abilities.

[John Constantine]

To be honest... Vegeta could probably take on all the tailed beasts himself and win. Tailed beasts cant even take out a planet together. Vegeta was stronger than Frieza by the end of Dragonball, and Frieza could blow up planets with ease. Heck even Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga could do that lol.

Anyways, yeah.

Vegeta was ALOT stronger then Freeza at the end of Dragon Ball..
His Majin Vegeta transformation was superior then a Super Saiyan 2 but not quite as strong as Super Saiyan 3..
His Final Flash attack against Perfect-Cell would have destroyed the Earth if he hadn't ease up a bit on the attack..
And he destroyed several planets showed in the flashbacks..

[StealthShinobi]

"He saw through everything I did"

Tobi/Madara DID fight and WIN against Minato.

So Minato did what had to be done, sealed the fox, and left Tobi less powerful, so tobi fled.

if he did win against minato then yondaime wouldnt have been able to seal the 9 tails(when yondaime said that he was talking about the night when the 9 tails attacked konaho so madara was probably fighting minato using the kyubi)

[StealthShinobi]

And anyway, Naruto in sage mode said a 5 second gap was too small for him to get at Pain, IN SAGE MODE, yet he's meant to be fast enough to dodge INSTANT amaterasu???

Yeah right!

just a question if he didint make it in time during that gap how was he able to take him out? huh...

[GYM]

How is Orochimaru stronger than Jiraya?

Oro was never a brute fighter. He had a crapload of... of you know, dirty jutsus, like summoning himself from his mouth... the sword and shit and he was creepy.

Moreover, even databook says J-man is stronger. He was strongest of the Sannin according to that book -_-

[yusufms]

naruto and jiraiya in sage mode are beasts alone but when you threw minato in as well well lol. plus kakashi and sandaime for backup.

SM naruto > sasuke
Jiraiya > Orochiamru
Minato > Itachi
Danzou > kakashi
sandaime > madara

BECAUSE MADARA IS POWERLESS. OR DO YOU GUYS NOT READ MANGA??? it's been stated in the manga more than once that madara is weak and powerless without the bijuu. the 1st defeated madara in his prime anyway and the 3rd is stronger than the first.

how the hell is the third stronger than the first:mad::mad::mad:. dont get me wrong, the third was a powerful ninja but i dont think he was as strong as the first.

Example, the only fight we know that the first fought was against madara with EMS. I dont think the third even stood a chance against THAT madara.

Sorry to say but the comparison is just ridiculous...

EDIT:

if he did win against minato then yondaime wouldnt have been able to seal the 9 tails(when yondaime said that he was talking about the night when the 9 tails attacked konaho so madara was probably fighting minato using the kyubi)

you make it seem like minato and yondaime are two different people