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    Re: Who would win.....

    And anyway, Naruto in sage mode said a 5 second gap was too small for him to get at Pain, IN SAGE MODE, yet he's meant to be fast enough to dodge INSTANT amaterasu???

    Yeah right!
     
         

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    Re: Who would win.....

    Quote Originally Posted by niblack89 View Post
    Oro and Jiraiya were young when Oro they fought I actually dough that Jiraiya had sage mode when they fought. Also as I said before if Oro didn't have that replacement jutsu he would be dead. Also I can't see Jiraiya that far away from Oro without sage mode. Jiraiya was at his prime when he was facing pain that was the best of what jiraiya had. along with an increase in everything he has with sage mode he has ma & pa I see no summing that Oro had to be nearly as great as those two.

    I can't see Oro taking out 3 of pains bodies. first he is a close and mid range fighter which is no option against pain unless you have a something like a complete sage mode which only Naruto had.

    Also Pain was no where near weakened I hate when people claim that Nagato was weakened WHO THE HELL TOLD HIM TO SEVERALLY UNDERESTIMATE NARUTO AND BLOW UP A VILLAGE? He didn't seem all that weak to me the only disadvantage was no use of God realm. If he were to use god realm at the start who knows he could have won. but all the other pains should be just as deadly. also Nagato was running out of pain bodies like hot cakes since he didn't have to give them chakra they should have been stronger since they are more concentrated. Naruto had the will and power and he won. kyuubi help or not. Naruto had help from summonings Nagato had 6 high level bodies who are his use of summonings cheating? Without help no one could have won but pain attacked a whole village and didn't expect that no one would figure out his powers? when Naruto arrived at the Kakuzu fight they explained his abilities that was cheating also. Naruto won a fair fight with God realm was that cheating also?
    super saiyan was over rated the sharingan is over rated sage mode is new and great advantage to counter the super haxed sharingan. Madara already has super sharingan 3
    The entire argument is based upon timeline assumptions (Jiraiya trained sage mode very young actually, while writing that book, it showed him sitting on those spikes on a block, very young indeed).

    Ugh the whole nagato 6 body thnig, thats his TECHNIQUE.

    Nobody said narutos cheating but he had a lot more help against Nagato and Pain than ANY OTHER CHARACTER
     
         

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    Re: Who would win.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Deidara Akatsuki View Post
    Naruto + Kakashi + Jiraiya + Minato + Sandaim

    Verses

    Sasuke + Itachi + Ororchimaru + Danzou + Madara

    Okay Guys basically, i thought of all the main good guys and bad guys of naruto

    It will be interesting to see who you guys would think would win..

    I think its a fairytale battle but oh well... lets hear wt u think

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    Naruto vs. Sasuke= a toss up. Maybe a draw.
    Itachi vs. Kakashi=Itachi.
    Orochimaru vs. Jiraiya= Jiraiya. I dont care about what happened when Naruto went four tailed. You have to remember that Jiraiya was trying to repress the Kyuubi chakra and it took him completely by surprise, whereas Orochimaru dealt with Naruto in his first and third tailed forms, wasn't trying to surpress it, and really wouldn't care if Naruto died. If Jiraiya uses sage mode plus the hermit art: the fryer technique, Orochimaru won't regenerate from that. Nor the Chou Oodama Rasengan which was said to have enough power to hollow out a mountain.
    Minato vs. Danzo= Hmm. We don't really know anything about Minato. We just know about the dead demon consuming seal, the four trigrams seal, and the flying thunder god jutsu. I'm sure Minato is stronger, but we don't know enough. I'd say Danzo for now.
    Sandaime vs. Madara= Again, we don't really know what Madara's abilities are. He's only displayed the Earth release technique, strength, and the teleport technique. He owned Fu and Torune pretty badly though. That was a spectacular fight. I'd say Madara just based on the fact that Hiruzen wouldn't be able to touch him.

    P.S. Itachi and Danzo aren't "bad guys". Danzo was doing things for Konoha's interest, except they were dirty. Itachi remained loyal to Konoha.

    Right now, I'd say the "bad guys" team.
     
         

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    Re: Who would win.....

    Quote Originally Posted by The Pervy Sage View Post
    Lmao funny



    Anyway.....

    I think you cant say anything as you wouldnt know who would fight against who for sure, they would all look for the best advantage.


    Though we all know Vegeta would win lol
    To be honest... Vegeta could probably take on all the tailed beasts himself and win. Tailed beasts cant even take out a planet together. Vegeta was stronger than Frieza by the end of Dragonball, and Frieza could blow up planets with ease. Heck even Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga could do that lol.

    Anyways, yeah.
     
         

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    Re: Who would win.....

    Quote Originally Posted by twistedlink View Post
    Jiraiya nearly did when Naruto went 4 tails.

    Orochimarus body which was rejecting him so he wasnt at his prime didn't have much trouble against 4 tails, he played with it as another member has stated.

    Jiraiya admits he failed to capture Orochimaru and failed every fight.

    Orochimaru is stronger than Jiraiya, even in sage mode.

    Everyone loves sage mode a little bit too much.

    As to sage mode making Naruto faster, eh, the latest piece of "evidence" was Naruto bursting in to get sakura, however as we saw he wasn't even in sage mode, plus sasukes knackered and 90% blind and kakashis bandy legged from Kamui.

    Sage mode also didn't conquer Pain.

    What people have to realise is Naruto had tonnes of help against a WEAKENED pain

    1.Infortmation
    2.Locations
    3.Summons
    4.Hinata
    5.9 tailed fox no less
    6.His dad restoring the seal.
    7.Pain had fought Kakashi and while that didn't exhaust him a lot, it sure did put those 2 bodies to their limit, even pain admitted not killing Kakashi would lead to future annoyances
    8.Pain levelled an entire city using a ****load of chakra, to the point his most powerful body was out for the majority of the fight where Naruto had a clear advantage and still only just became level against the other 5 bodies with points with help from 5 frogs.


    Jiraiya was less skilled at sage mode

    Minato is over-rated

    Kakashis cool but has severe lack in chakra

    3rd hokages great n' all but even he said in his prime itd still be a hell of a close call him vs orochimaru, and even then it was probably death god jutsu.

    I'm not saying it'd be easy, but Sasukes team would win
    1. Information is part of a battle. Doesn't matter HOW you get it. If nobody had info on abilities, or resources, then all battles would be different.
    2. I'll give you that Naruto had enough foresight to leave shadow clones at Myobokuzan
    3. We don't know exactly what happened with the summons. It was a cloud of smoke. We only have what Fukasaku said. "Get ready, the three of us together can summon something pretty strong!"
    4. The Nine-Tails also aids Naruto in life threatening situations. Getting yanked out of Naruto and resealed would probably fall under this. The Nine-tails is part of Narutos arsenal, just like the Rinnegan is part of Pains.
    5. His dad being sealed within him is also part of his arsenal because its within him.
    6. Pain was stupid enough to use all that chakra, barge in like a herd of elephants, and then expect not to encounter Kakashi, Tsunade, Kiba and his Mom, Choji and his dad, and all of the other Konoha shinobi. Even Konan said "why do you insist upon this madness?"

    Yeah, Pain was also trying to capture Naruto and not kill him, but Naruto hasn't killed anybody since that Itachi wannabe. The Kyuubi was also influencing him at the time.

    Same thing with Orochimaru vs. Jiraiya. Jiraiya was trying to capture Orochimaru and bring him back, whereas Orochimaru didn't give a damn.

    Fukasaku said that Sage Mode increases your physical abilities.
    Speed= big chunk of your physical abilities.
     
         

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    Re: Who would win.....

    Quote Originally Posted by eyesofthekyuubi44 View Post
    To be honest... Vegeta could probably take on all the tailed beasts himself and win. Tailed beasts cant even take out a planet together. Vegeta was stronger than Frieza by the end of Dragonball, and Frieza could blow up planets with ease. Heck even Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga could do that lol.

    Anyways, yeah.
    Vegeta was ALOT stronger then Freeza at the end of Dragon Ball..
    His Majin Vegeta transformation was superior then a Super Saiyan 2 but not quite as strong as Super Saiyan 3..
    His Final Flash attack against Perfect-Cell would have destroyed the Earth if he hadn't ease up a bit on the attack..
    And he destroyed several planets showed in the flashbacks..
     
         

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    Re: Who would win.....

    Quote Originally Posted by twistedlink View Post
    "He saw through everything I did"

    Tobi/Madara DID fight and WIN against Minato.

    So Minato did what had to be done, sealed the fox, and left Tobi less powerful, so tobi fled.
    if he did win against minato then yondaime wouldnt have been able to seal the 9 tails(when yondaime said that he was talking about the night when the 9 tails attacked konaho so madara was probably fighting minato using the kyubi)
     
         

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    Re: Who would win.....

    Quote Originally Posted by twistedlink View Post
    And anyway, Naruto in sage mode said a 5 second gap was too small for him to get at Pain, IN SAGE MODE, yet he's meant to be fast enough to dodge INSTANT amaterasu???

    Yeah right!
    just a question if he didint make it in time during that gap how was he able to take him out? huh...
     
         
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    Re: Who would win.....

    How is Orochimaru stronger than Jiraya?

    Oro was never a brute fighter. He had a crapload of... of you know, dirty jutsus, like summoning himself from his mouth... the sword and shit and he was creepy.

    Moreover, even databook says J-man is stronger. He was strongest of the Sannin according to that book -_-
     
         

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    Re: Who would win.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Steinbiz View Post
    naruto and jiraiya in sage mode are beasts alone but when you threw minato in as well well lol. plus kakashi and sandaime for backup.

    SM naruto > sasuke
    Jiraiya > Orochiamru
    Minato > Itachi
    Danzou > kakashi
    sandaime > madara

    BECAUSE MADARA IS POWERLESS. OR DO YOU GUYS NOT READ MANGA??? it's been stated in the manga more than once that madara is weak and powerless without the bijuu. the 1st defeated madara in his prime anyway and the 3rd is stronger than the first.
    how the hell is the third stronger than the first:mad::mad::mad:. dont get me wrong, the third was a powerful ninja but i dont think he was as strong as the first.

    Example, the only fight we know that the first fought was against madara with EMS. I dont think the third even stood a chance against THAT madara.

    Sorry to say but the comparison is just ridiculous...

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    Quote Originally Posted by StealthShinobi View Post
    if he did win against minato then yondaime wouldnt have been able to seal the 9 tails(when yondaime said that he was talking about the night when the 9 tails attacked konaho so madara was probably fighting minato using the kyubi)
    you make it seem like minato and yondaime are two different people
     
         
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    Re: Who would win.....

    I had to select are you high.. Naruto's team is good but Sasuke's team is like the dream team of MS techniques which they would probably spam all over the place. I would like to see them fight but the match up is kinda off mainly because of Itachi I don't think he would fight on Sasuke's team and if he did he was almost invincible other than the illness he had I don't think anyone could handle him and madara has not shown enough of his techniques to judge his full capability kinda like what you mentioned about the first hokage it is the same thing with madara because I have only seen him do a handfull of techniques.. It would be a crazy fight I wouldn't even try to predict it.
     
         

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    Re: Who would win.....

    Quote Originally Posted by twistedlink View Post
    Madara and Minato DID fight.

    Its senju fanboys like steinbiz who say he didnt and everyone believes him

    LOOK FOR YOURSELF

    Naruto 440 page 08 | One Manga

    Naruto 440 page 10 | One Manga

    "He saw through everything I did"

    Tobi/Madara DID fight and WIN against Minato.

    So Minato did what had to be done, sealed the fox, and left Tobi less powerful, so tobi fled.
    dude, he said "he saw through everything I did". please explain how that means he PHYSICALLY fought him. he was fighting kyuubi when he arrive and said they're was someone hiding in the shadows meaning he never got close to madara. u call me a senju fan? lol ok uchiha fan.
     
         

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    Re: Who would win.....

    ok, so we have Sasuke, Itachi, Danzou,Madara, and Orochimaru
    And Naruto, Minato, Hiruzen, Kakashi, and Jiraiya.

    Obviously:
    1. Naruto vs. Sasuke- No lie, I think Naruto would beat Sasuke's ass. Naruto is way stronger and smarter than people give him credit for, and lets face it, he goes kyuubi-mode even just 2 tails and its over.
    2. Itachi vs. Kakashi- I believe that Itachi would come out on top, although he would be exhausted.
    3. Hiruzen vs. Danzou- An old rivalry. Hiruzen is said to be the strongest hokage and has the widest array of jutsu and a large amount of experience. Danzou has "Izanagi" or whatever, which I believe Hiruzen would be able to counter. Besides having 10 minutes of immortality, Danzou doesnt impress me. Winner is Hiruzen.
    4. Madara vs. Minato- The reason I believe Minato lost was the Kyuubi. Nobody can fight an invincible, tireless amount of chakra beast and a skilled shinobi at the same time after already being in several fights and defending your village. Minato is intelligent and I believe he would find a way to easily defeat Madara. Minato is on top here.
    5. Jiraiya vs. Orochimaru- I can see this being an all out battle of summons and forbidden jutsu. I believe there will be many tragedies of summons and many bad injuries between the two. However, I think that it would either be a draw or Jiraiya would win.

    CONCLUSION: Even if the majority of the bad guys won, Naruto has the Kyuubi. I'm sure he could rape everyone after 1 battle.
     
         

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    Re: Who would win.....

    Quote Originally Posted by NarutoWind View Post
    4. Madara vs. Minato- The reason I believe Minato lost was the Kyuubi. Nobody can fight an invincible, tireless amount of chakra beast and a skilled shinobi at the same time after already being in several fights and defending your village. Minato is intelligent and I believe he would find a way to easily defeat Madara. Minato is on top here.
    WOW, EXACTLY. everyone of the villagers were waiting for minato and defending the kyuubi from attacking the village til he arrived. he was most likely with kushina with the birth of naruto because he showed up with naruto at his side. when he tried to the kyuubi(which he probably might of been able to do) he saw he couldn't because he caught madara hiding in the shadows controlling the kyuubi. since he couldn't get to madara or kill kyuubi he sealed it in naruto and stopped madara's plans altogether.
     
         

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    Re: Who would win.....

    the teams arent even sasuke has as the power house its oped

    and off course his team would win but if naruto gos nine tails then narutos team could win too bad naruto & tails dont get along as with as the eight tails and his host
     
         

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    Re: Who would win.....

    Quote Originally Posted by KenseiTachikage View Post
    the teams arent even sasuke has as the power house its oped

    and off course his team would win but if naruto gos nine tails then narutos team could win too bad naruto & tails dont get along as with as the eight tails and his host
    It wouldn't really make a difference considering Madara can control the Kyuubi.

    But I think this would be a much closer battle than people are saying. Don't underestimate Hiruzen. Hiruzen would be able to defeat Madara. He is considered the strongest Kage to ever live, which means he was stronger than Hashirama. If Hashirama was able to defeat Madara, then so would Hiruzen.

    Then as said earlier Jiraiya was the strongest of the Sannin, and would most likely be able to defeat Orochimaru.

    Naruto and Sasuke would match up, and most likely end in a draw at this point.

    Danzo (who I still consider a good guy) would most likely go up against Minato and lose.

    Which leaves Itachi. I still don't see anyone who can actually take out Itachi. The sword of Totsuka and Yata mirror make him invincible. Although with improvements in Kamui, Kakashi is rapidly becoming a very powerful character himself. It would be interesting to see if Kamui could teleport things such as the Yata mirror, or if the Yata mirror would block Kamui.
     
         

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    Re: Who would win.....

    Naruto vs Sasuke: Naruto would win against sasuke. Naruto has unbelievable healing power. At the end of the fight against Pain, Naruto's eye changed. It got mixed with the eyes of the sage and the nine tail's. Nagato punched a hole in his stomach yet naruto was able to completely heal rapidly. Nagato tried to take control over naruto at CLOSE RANGE yet naruto was able to withstand it. Naruto was able to easily pick up one of Nagato's summoning and throw it. This shows how strong naruto is which should be easy for naruto stop the shooting arrow of susano. He can throw his shurikens. He has complete control over kagebushin. Kagebushin way seem like a dumb jutsu but naruto uses it a whole different level. Plus there is the power of the nine tails and the power that itachi gave to naruto and the power that his father left him. Sasuke's new power takes too much of his chakra and his hatred will not allow him to think properly or use his powers properly. Naruto wins this one

    Itachi vs Kakashi: Itachi would win this no doubt about it.

    Oro vs Jiraiya: Jiraiya would win this. In the fight against pain, jiraiya showed how powerful he was. I was actually impressed with his powers. Pain couldn't have won if Jiraiya knew his secret and how many bodies Nagato had. Obviously Jiraiya lost because he was unaware of pain's abilities. His sage mode is just too powerful with those two elderly frogs who can create a sound genjutsu and we saw that oro is weak against genjutsu when itachi beat him with just a simple genjutsu with really no effort whatsoever.

    Minato vs Danzou: Minato's light of speed should be enough to beat danzou as danzou relies too much on the power he used against sasuke. That power takes too much time about 3-5 secs which for minato this is beyond slow. Minato would crash danzou with a rasengan before even danzou's eye begins to close. Minato can easily make rasengan with no effort or with no clones. He can make powerful rasengans with just one arm. Minato wins this one.

    Madara vs 3rd: Madara would win this, I think I don't need to explain for this.

    This leaves for:

    Good team: Naruto, Minato and Jiraiya

    Bad team: Madara and itachi

    Madara vs Minato
    I honestly think that Minato fought madara because when naruto's father was talking to naruto he said that only a person with special powers would be able to fight madara. This means that minato fought madara when the nine tail demons was summon. My theory to what really happen is that minato tried to stop madara by fighting him first. Minato was known to be unique for his intelligence. Minato never did anything without a reason. Jiraiya confirms this when he tells the scroll like frog to go to naruto's body. Minato is also known as the yellow flash which means he was really fast. We see this in the gaiden of kakashi how fast minato was. He was also a person that posses a powerful jutsu known to seal anything for the exchange of the user's soul. He was also able to stop the attack of the nine tail demon fox not to mention the attack of madara. Madara could have easily attack the village himself once minato died by sealing the nine tail demon fox in naruto and the frog. Minato must have damaged madara severely that madara wasn't able to carry on his plan to destroy konoha. In fact, I am pretty sure that madara was almost defeated by the fourth that he had to use the nine tail demon fox to beat the great fourth. Minato wins this one.

    Itachi vs Naruto or Jiraiya

    Itachi himself said that he would lose to Jiraiya. Itachi is capable to tell what's going to happen next. So Itachi loses to Jiraiya. If itachi knows that he is no match for Jiraiya then he is no match for naruto. Sage mode is really strong


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    Re: Who would win.....

    Quote Originally Posted by twistedlink View Post
    The entire argument is based upon timeline assumptions (Jiraiya trained sage mode very young actually, while writing that book, it showed him sitting on those spikes on a block, very young indeed).

    Ugh the whole nagato 6 body thnig, thats his TECHNIQUE.

    Nobody said narutos cheating but he had a lot more help against Nagato and Pain than ANY OTHER CHARACTER
    That was the anime this is the manga section the anime doesn't count if so then Kakashi has a fire element too. When they talked about Jiraiya and sage mode he was his current age. Also Jiraiya has a better set of stats Oro and they are without sage mode. that fight was almost over 15-20 years ago. While Jiraiya was training Oro was modifying his body.

    You said that Nagato was weakened when he faced Naruto and my claim was it was his fault he was warned that naruto was powerful by tobi but ignored him because he go cocky. that's like sasuke during the Gaara he waist to much chakra. It is common knowledge to not waist chakra and that explosion was a big waist of useless chakra.

    Naruto's summonings are not a extra advantage it was Naruto against 6pains or did u foreget that one of the pains could summing a large number of summonings also.
     
         

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    Re: Who would win.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Sacrifice View Post
    It wouldn't really make a difference considering Madara can control the Kyuubi.

    But I think this would be a much closer battle than people are saying. Don't underestimate Hiruzen. Hiruzen would be able to defeat Madara. He is considered the strongest Kage to ever live, which means he was stronger than Hashirama. If Hashirama was able to defeat Madara, then so would Hiruzen.

    Then as said earlier Jiraiya was the strongest of the Sannin, and would most likely be able to defeat Orochimaru.

    Naruto and Sasuke would match up, and most likely end in a draw at this point.

    Danzo (who I still consider a good guy) would most likely go up against Minato and lose.

    Which leaves Itachi. I still don't see anyone who can actually take out Itachi. The sword of Totsuka and Yata mirror make him invincible. Although with improvements in Kamui, Kakashi is rapidly becoming a very powerful character himself. It would be interesting to see if Kamui could teleport things such as the Yata mirror, or if the Yata mirror would block Kamui.
    Tbh, I have heard from other characters that Minato was the strongest Kage to ever live. Either that or references to him being the strongest Kage. I think that is all more in perspective. Hashirama was able to control the Bijuu with it being his ability to do so. It makes his battle with Madara at the Valley of the End less impressive because if Hashirama could also control the Kyuubi, then he may have been able to neutralize it during the battle.

    Also, Itachi can also only keep up Susanoo for a short period of time. Not only that, but I remember something that you had posted yourself about Susanoo having a weakness and that is to create an opening. Susanoo is some sort of warrior, but it seems to be bound by gravity and such because when the Baku sucked the place up, Susanoo had to grab the grounds around it to keep from being sucked in. I think personally, and not to rag on your opinion because I DEFINITELY respect it, is that Zetsu may have just been hyping up Itachi's Susanoo a little too much. Remember, it drains life force. So it should not be used at the beginning of a battle unless you know you have no choice.
     
         

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    Re: Who would win.....

    Quote Originally Posted by eyesofthekyuubi44 View Post
    1. Information is part of a battle. Doesn't matter HOW you get it. If nobody had info on abilities, or resources, then all battles would be different.
    2. I'll give you that Naruto had enough foresight to leave shadow clones at Myobokuzan
    3. We don't know exactly what happened with the summons. It was a cloud of smoke. We only have what Fukasaku said. "Get ready, the three of us together can summon something pretty strong!"
    4. The Nine-Tails also aids Naruto in life threatening situations. Getting yanked out of Naruto and resealed would probably fall under this. The Nine-tails is part of Narutos arsenal, just like the Rinnegan is part of Pains.
    5. His dad being sealed within him is also part of his arsenal because its within him.
    6. Pain was stupid enough to use all that chakra, barge in like a herd of elephants, and then expect not to encounter Kakashi, Tsunade, Kiba and his Mom, Choji and his dad, and all of the other Konoha shinobi. Even Konan said "why do you insist upon this madness?"

    Yeah, Pain was also trying to capture Naruto and not kill him, but Naruto hasn't killed anybody since that Itachi wannabe. The Kyuubi was also influencing him at the time.

    Same thing with Orochimaru vs. Jiraiya. Jiraiya was trying to capture Orochimaru and bring him back, whereas Orochimaru didn't give a damn.

    Fukasaku said that Sage Mode increases your physical abilities.
    Speed= big chunk of your physical abilities.

    ROFL, dude, youre MAKING SHIT UP.

    Naruto ADMITS that a 5 second interval is TOO SMALL for him EVEN IN SAGE MODE.

    I dont care that YOU think physical abilities increasing means SPEED increasing.

    Kishi wrote a 5 second interval being too fast, yet Kakashi got close to it as Naruto did, in fact Naruto dodged it by making clones stopping the full effect of the shinra tensei to rasengan him, so in actual FACT, kakashi getting as close as he did MATCHED narutos speed in sage mode, and Kakashi isnt even the fastest char. out there.

    People continue to make there own cherry picked add ons onto sage mode.
     
         

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