[Discussion] What we need to know is what is stronger Kyuubi's or Nature Chakra?

[platinum69]

With the scroll frog dude now "about to" give Naruto access to the "Key" and "that Jutsu"... AND all the training Naruto has to do with it to master it... I'm getting a little excited,

What I would like to ask you all is what you think is stronger and why?

Kyuubi's Chakra or Nature Chakra?

reason being... if Naruto is to use both chakra's to fight, he would have to fuse both chakra's together... which would mean a super new chakra... or not.

So if he dose not fuse both chakra then what? will he have different jutsu's to use different chakra?

What I'm hoping is the Kyuubi's Chakra is stronger... and that he will use sage mode and the Nature chakra to protect himself from the effects of the Kyuubi's chakra... this could only work if Nature chakra remains in Naruto's body with him using it but using the kyuubi's to attack and do jutsu's.



please let me know what you think




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[John Constantine]

Awesome.

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[mangekyou sharingan]

yes its a good theory and possible too,but i think that full kyubi´s chakra is the most powerfull chakra in the naruto-verse.imagine fusing half of that(still its very powerfull)with sage chakra he would be able to defeat opponents just by releasing chakra

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Separately, Kyuubi chakra is stronger. Sage Mode Naruto didn't break out of Chibaku Tensei. Kyuubi did that without any special jutsu, just through strength alone.

That would be something, Naruto balancing Kyuubi Chakra, his own chakra, and natural energy. I don't think it would be a new chakra. It'd just be a super powerful Kyuubi Sage.

I think that would overpower Naruto though. Even past Sasuke's level. My theory is, in Sage Mode, you are balancing Sage chakra along with your own. Thus, the more chakra you have, the more Sage chakra you can draw. Then that would mean you can stay in Sage Mode longer and have more techniques. I'd assume if Kisame was able to use Sage Chakra, that'd be pretty bad since his chakra level is compared to a tailed beast.

[NarutoUzumakiMinato]

I agree with both statements
It seems as though the kyuubi mode is more ruthless,and animalistic
while sage mode is a more clean but streetfighterish
wat the combination of the 2 will make is kinda questionable but my
guess is much like ur own.....the protective covering from SM will aide naruto
with the kyuubi power backfire and he will use the kyuubi more offensively

[jovardo]

keep in mind that the fox chakra only leaks out on two opinion:1.if hes chakra is low or doesnt have any left, 2. if he gets angry. soo from that we can conclude that naruto in sage mode can/will be able to control the fox's chakra. even if the effects of the two listed above doesn't even takes place. naruto can control a little amount of the fox's chakra.

[Orion]

Nice point for discussion. Me too was wondering about same.
It seems Kyuubis chakra is stronger of two.
But lets think more:-
Kyuubis chakra is part of naruto. Naruto do not need to meditate for accessing it. It comes from his own body. But Nature chakra is diffrent from Naruto, It is not easily accessible. And there is limit two his body for storing it but Kyuubi being sealed inside Naruto, constant supply is available. dats what makes Kyuubi stronger.
I think both are equal. We know Sage chakra can be used to suppress Kyuubi. dat means dey are equal if Sage is not stronger.

[Wamphyri]

Well the nature chakra only works if you take as much as you can handle...


if kyuubi has infinite chakra naruto would have to balance all the natural chakra ... he would become a god since he would posess the ability to controle the worlds whole chakra... it would be like a dragonball z spirit bomb or something ... therefore i guess naruto will be able to use kyuubi and sagemode seperately like he did against pain ...

[YashMishra]

Nine tailed Naturuto chakra!

[YashMishra]

Initially Kishi stated that Naruto is not very good at handling chakra. But after traning for rasengan and sage mode he is now probably the best. He probably won't be able to wield all the chakras available to him at thesame time. So he may use them one at a time thereby giving himself amazing, prolonged endurance. If he runs out of chakra then he'll switch to sage mode and then when time runs out he still has the kyuubi in his sleeves.

If he does manage to use them both at them same time his body will collapse and he will explode!



However, Naruto has known to be someone who can improvise. So, he may tranform inyo the kyuubi just like Killer Bee and then he may go Sage mode mode using shadow clones of the Kyuubi mode. Or he may neutralise the harmful effects of the Kyuubi's chakra by using sage mode. Naruto has always used a combination of jutsus and abilities so he might be able to pull it of in the way he used nature manipulation + Rasengan + Shadow clones to do the Rasenshuriken.

[NarutoUzumakiMinato]

A combo of Kyuubi/Sage will be devistatingly powerful
its not like both of the seperate arent powerful enough

SAGE MODE
when naruto threw a punch at one of the pains his fist never
actually hit him....but the force almost knock his head off....his
speed is considered to rival the of raikage(who is prbly the fastest in
the manga rite now)

KYUUBI MODE
In the fight with oro....he made him regurgitate himself several times
and he sent kabuto soaring with just pure chakra.......i cant remember
wat sword oro used but it was legendary and it couldnt even peirce the
skin and his 4-tailed menacing ball was able to completely destroy oros three gates

KYUUBI/SAGE MODE
World Destruction :D

[Vergil..]

A combo of Kyuubi/Sage will be devistatingly powerful
its not like both of the seperate arent powerful enough

SAGE MODE
when naruto threw a punch at one of the pains his fist never
actually hit him....but the force almost knock his head off....his
speed is considered to rival the of raikage(who is prbly the fastest in
the manga rite now)

KYUUBI MODE
In the fight with oro....he made him regurgitate himself several times
and he sent kabuto soaring with just pure chakra.......i cant remember
wat sword oro used but it was legendary and it couldnt even peirce the
skin and his 4-tailed menacing ball was able to completely destroy oros three gates

KYUUBI/SAGE MODE
World Destruction :D

your forgetting Gai but ok

yeah Kyuubi sage mode would be a beastly combo, without rival
but the kyuubi is stronger then sage mode since it as a unending chakra supply while sage mode ends aftr some time.

it would be nice to see a new level of sage mode where naruto would use the kyuubi's power to power sage mode even more.

[YashMishra]

Naruto should learn the hidden lotus.

[NarutoUzumakiMinato]

your forgetting Gai but ok

yeah Kyuubi sage mode would be a beastly combo, without rival
but the kyuubi is stronger then sage mode since it as a unending chakra supply while sage mode ends aftr some time.

it would be nice to see a new level of sage mode where naruto would use the kyuubi's power to power sage mode even more.

well its been so long since we've seen Gai, Neji, Lee or
any of those ppl(they really need some more show time )
but ur rite Gai is crazy fast but i think Lee has prbly
surpassed him.......and do u really think Gai is on the raikages level
as far as speed is concerned?????

I hope the next level of sage mode(if there is one)would be an everlasting
sage mode

[KASTAWAY]

with the scroll frog dude now "about to" give naruto access to the "key" and "that jutsu"... And all the training naruto has to do with it to master it... I'm getting a little excited,

what i would like to ask you all is what you think is stronger and why?

Kyuubi's chakra or nature chakra?

Reason being... If naruto is to use both chakra's to fight, he would have to fuse both chakra's together... Which would mean a super new chakra... Or not.

So if he dose not fuse both chakra then what? Will he have different jutsu's to use different chakra?

What i'm hoping is the kyuubi's chakra is stronger... And that he will use sage mode and the nature chakra to protect himself from the effects of the kyuubi's chakra... This could only work if nature chakra remains in naruto's body with him using it but using the kyuubi's to attack and do jutsu's.



Please let me know what you think




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great idea.


I think naruto will find a short cut into sage mode, now he balances his chakra with that of nature to enter sage mode. But with naruto having two types of chakra he will look at the it like this. Use the key to control the flow of nine-tails chakra, then balance it with natural chakra, making a new form of sage mode. But what diffrent is, this sage mode won't have a time limit bc the two sorces of energy are unlimited, the reason sage mode has a limit now is bc of the limits of the person using the tech.

When you balance two unlimeted forms of energy nothing stops to flow. Or think of it like this you have two bodies of water that flow into each other, when they meet to power of the water increases, but if the source of water is unlimted nothing stops the flow but a dam.

Naruto just has to learn to put the 9tails chakra in place of his own for sage mode. That's the key to me.

But i also think once naruto takes control of the scroll he will learn some more info about his dad. I think is a gift that has other gifts in it, all these manga and movies always give the hero the power when there naruto's age and in his type of situation. (so that all dad's stuff, and maybe some info on his mom,)

[Vergil..]

well its been so long since we've seen Gai, Neji, Lee or
any of those ppl(they really need some more show time )
but ur rite Gai is crazy fast but i think Lee has prbly
surpassed him.......and do u really think Gai is on the raikages level
as far as speed is concerned?????

I hope the next level of sage mode(if there is one)would be an everlasting
sage mode

well havent seen Gai at his top speed yet(so 7 gates or even 8, but i doupt kishi would let Gai kill himself like that ) bu yeah the raikage must be the fastest guy around

[Perkele311]

I would think naruto would fully catch up if he can effectively use both types of chakra together or seperate. But together would probably be sick nasty and would probably give him what he needs to fight EMS sasuke. But yea right now the Kyuubi is becoming really important as seen in KB vs Sasuke with regular MS..

[Cash]

With the scroll frog dude now "about to" give Naruto access to the "Key" and "that Jutsu"... AND all the training Naruto has to do with it to master it... I'm getting a little excited,

What I would like to ask you all is what you think is stronger and why?

Kyuubi's Chakra or Nature Chakra?

reason being... if Naruto is to use both chakra's to fight, he would have to fuse both chakra's together... which would mean a super new chakra... or not.

So if he dose not fuse both chakra then what? will he have different jutsu's to use different chakra?

What I'm hoping is the Kyuubi's Chakra is stronger... and that he will use sage mode and the Nature chakra to protect himself from the effects of the Kyuubi's chakra... this could only work if Nature chakra remains in Naruto's body with him using it but using the kyuubi's to attack and do jutsu's.



please let me know what you think




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My thought is "That Jutsu" could be related to the fact that Minato only sealed HALF of the 9-Tails inside of Naruto.

The old giant sage toad said that... We will teach Naruto how to CONTROL the Kyuubi... Then he will be able to use "that jutsu".

This statement means that Naruto is not yet able to control the Kyuubi, despite being able to use Sage-Mode. AND... Once Naruto has complete dominance over the Kyuubi... THEN he will be able to use "that jutsu"....

What are your thoughts on this idea?

[psukkar]

Yes I also believe the fox's chakra is stronger.

The reason I say this is because if you look at all the past attempts to control the fox it's only been done by two shinobi. The FIRST and MADARA. And those guys are descendants of the So6P, the god figure of the Naruto universe.
It totally make since that he's chakra needs divine intervention to control.

And on top of that the fox looks the closest to the jubbi and has the most chakra out of all tailed beasts, even though we have only seen half of his chakra been used LOL. The fox is badass and hes got history to back him up, being the best under the jubbi.

[platinum69]

yes its a good theory and possible too,but i think that full kyubi´s chakra is the most powerfull chakra in the naruto-verse.imagine fusing half of that(still its very powerfull)with sage chakra he would be able to defeat opponents just by releasing chakra

I agree, the Kyuubi's chakra has to be the strongest, that would be cool to see... Naruto creating a supernova just by powering up... would be epic.

Separately, Kyuubi chakra is stronger. Sage Mode Naruto didn't break out of Chibaku Tensei. Kyuubi did that without any special jutsu, just through strength alone.

That would be something, Naruto balancing Kyuubi Chakra, his own chakra, and natural energy. I don't think it would be a new chakra. It'd just be a super powerful Kyuubi Sage.

I think that would overpower Naruto though. Even past Sasuke's level. My theory is, in Sage Mode, you are balancing Sage chakra along with your own. Thus, the more chakra you have, the more Sage chakra you can draw. Then that would mean you can stay in Sage Mode longer and have more techniques. I'd assume if Kisame was able to use Sage Chakra, that'd be pretty bad since his chakra level is compared to a tailed beast.

Awesome point... I completely forgot the fact that Naruto is doing a balancing act when he goes into Sage Mode... NarutoBase.net - Naruto Manga Chapter 409 - Page 11 able to perfectly balance the natural energy with his own chakra. This allows him to use true Sage Mode, so he would need to balance in the Kyuubi's chakra into the equation... he will have to master the Kyuubi's chakra before he would even try to balance it, what happens if he uses way to much of the Kyuubi's chakra?

IF Naruto has to add the Kyuubi chakra to the Sage Mode equation then he would be limited as I dont think Naruto can collect Nature chakra to equal 3 tails of the 9 tails Chakra level. which would limit him being overpowered (Large Font was used to make this fact stand out)
NarutoBase.net - Naruto Manga Chapter 409 - Page 11
NarutoBase.net - Naruto Manga Chapter 409 - Page 12 also states that the 3 factors needed for sage mode "Senjutsu" so Naruto would have to call the Kyuubi Sage Mode something else.

Kisame would be god like if he had sage mode... I wonder why other villages dont have Sage Mode?

I agree with both statements
It seems as though the kyuubi mode is more ruthless,and animalistic
while sage mode is a more clean but streetfighterish
wat the combination of the 2 will make is kinda questionable but my
guess is much like ur own.....the protective covering from SM will aide naruto
with the kyuubi power backfire and he will use the kyuubi more offensively

lol thats an awesome way to put it, I like it...

Thats what i think will happen, I don't think Naruto will add the Kyuubi's Chakra to the Sage Mode equation... and if we look at this NarutoBase.net - Naruto Manga Chapter 444 - Page 4 Naruto going Kyuubi Sage Mode for the first time... Naruto dose not seem to be adding the Kyuubi's Chakra to Sage Mode rather he is in Sage Mode and the Kyuubi's Chakra is forming over it... and the eyes change.

Nice point for discussion. Me too was wondering about the same.
It seems Kyuubis chakra is stronger of two.
But lets think more:-
Kyuubis chakra is part of naruto. Naruto do not need to meditate for accessing it. It comes from his own body. But Nature chakra is diffrent from Naruto, It is not easily accessible. And there is limit two his body for storing it but Kyuubi being sealed inside Naruto, constant supply is available. dats what makes Kyuubi stronger.
I think both are equal. We know Sage chakra can be used to suppress Kyuubi. dat means dey are equal if Sage is not stronger.

wow awesome points, very intelligent,

I have started supporting the idea that Naruto will use Sage Mode and Kyuubi Mode at once but in different ways, I dont think he will fuse the 2. He will go Sage Mode and have more control over the Kyuubi... and allow him to master it so he will be able to control it. I think he will use Sage Mode as a way to maintain the Kyuubi's Chakra to attack with and use to make jutsu's, also as a way to stop the effects of the damage the Kyuubi's chakra has on Naruto.

KYUUBI/SAGE MODE
World Destruction :D

Muhahahahahaaaa


what if Naruto says NO to using the Kyuubi's Chakra :P

[Orion]

Good Point. Naruto is scared of idea of using Kyuubi, as there is a chance he may hurt loved ones.
So he will master sage mode first. Collecting Nature chakra while moving, so constant supply is available.(I think Naruto can do it with Hairs).
And will add Kyuubi chakra as and when required....

[Magellan]

I choose nature chakra is much stronger than the kyuubi chakra.

[niblack89]

Sage mode is a medium for controlling the kyuubi.
1st-Sage mode increases Naruto's chakra immensely so his chakra wount get pushed aside.

2nd-Sage mode is the essence of combining chakra's while in sage mode he could learn to combine the kyuubi's chakra to form around it.

3rd-His body wont be effected by the kyuubi's chakra because of the senju around his body, it will form over it.

The only weakness is the limit to sage mode but actually since the kyuubi's chakra will be used more sage mode will last longer and Naruto gave a hint that the limit to sage mode can increase.

[Regulus]

IMO they are equally powerful given the right circumstances. If Naruto uses kyuubu chakra to activate SM he will need to draw in a proportional amount of nature chakra to compensate for Kyuubi chakra

[konoha s beautiful beast]

platinum! I am so glad you are still here. I would be happy to hear smth from you.
and now about you question. If I am not mistaken, tailed beasts are natural chakras which took a form of an animal. at least this is what is written about bijuus. anda...yes naruto is able to collect some natural energy but the amount collected by naruto can not be compared to kuubi's energy. its waaaaaaaaaay to much =)