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    Reaction time vs speed

    =People seem to get confused on the difference.

    speed feats are great but without reaction time feats they can't be applied the same way.

    Example: people assuming naruto can do the same things as The Fourth Raikage or his father

    The 4th Raikage is shown to have a high level of speed. this speed has been surpassed by naruto.



    now due to the raikage being surpassed people give Naruto the Raikage's abilities. this is false.



    the Raikage's reaction time is increased when using his lightning armor.




    Even though Naruto's speed has surpassed the Raikage's speed, he still has only average reaction time. without the two parts naruto's speed isn't truly absolute

    an example is when fighting obito he needed kakashi's help



    SO when saying naruto dodges attack based on speed please consider naruto's reaction time and feats when comparing him to the Raikage or his father. because his father had the best reaction feats in the manga





    this feat is different from naruto's due to the raikage actually trying to kill minato with no warning. This is a feat of great reaction ability.

    in naruto's example the need for reaction was completely erased when he telegraphed the attack to naruto



    lack of reaction time id say top speed goes

    1. minato
    2. tobirama
    3. naruto
    4 A
    5. His father

    Ability to dodge attacks

    1. Minato
    2. A
    3. Ay's father
    4. Naruto


    Conclusion: Just because naruto is faster than the Raikage's doesn't mean he purely dodges every attack due to his speed so lay off that garbage. he needs better reaction feats.
     
         
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    Re: Reaction time vs speed

    I agree with this
     
         

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    Re: Reaction time vs speed

    my list speed

    minato
    naruto
    Ay
    tobirama
    3rd raikage

    reaction speed agree
     
         

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    Re: Reaction time vs speed

    Quote Originally Posted by Lordraikage View Post
    my list speed

    minato
    naruto
    Ay
    tobirama
    3rd raikage

    reaction speed agree
    I agree with you on your list of speed. but i believe that the raikages can both use their speed more effectively in battle due to their light fast synapses
     
         

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    Re: Reaction time vs speed

    I'd agree that Reaction time is more important. You could be quite slow, but so long as you have the ability to react perfectly to an opponent you have the edge.



    As for your list...I'd honestly put Tobirama towards the top. Whilst being speed blitzed by Obito, he managed to simultaneously place explosive tags and an FTG seal that was located on the opposite side of Tobirama's remaining hand meaning either he placed the seal before losing his hand (which would indicate he purposely took the hit), or he used his free left hand which shows both reaction and speed.

    He's also been able to quickly pick up on situations and react.

    1. Having Minato and himself use the instant FTG switch

    2. Recognized Senjutsu as a weakness and move to Naruto

    I'd also say an honorable mention Bee could be there...he instantly managed to put a sword by Minato's gut when he instantly teleported behind him.



    1. Tobirama

    2. Minato

    3. Ay

    4. Naruto

    5. 3rd Raikage



    Speed wise

    1. Minato

    2. Tobirama

    3. Naruto

    4. Ay

    5. Gai or Lee using Gates
     
         

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    Re: Reaction time vs speed

    Quote Originally Posted by KGB Kakuzu View Post
    I'd agree that Reaction time is more important. You could be quite slow, but so long as you have the ability to react perfectly to an opponent you have the edge.



    As for your list...I'd honestly put Tobirama towards the top. Whilst being speed blitzed by Obito, he managed to simultaneously place explosive tags and an FTG seal that was located on the opposite side of Tobirama's remaining hand meaning either he placed the seal before losing his hand (which would indicate he purposely took the hit), or he used his free left hand which shows both reaction and speed.

    He's also been able to quickly pick up on situations and react.

    1. Having Minato and himself use the instant FTG switch

    2. Recognized Senjutsu as a weakness and move to Naruto

    I'd also say an honorable mention Bee could be there...he instantly managed to put a sword by Minato's gut when he instantly teleported behind him.



    1. Tobirama

    2. Minato

    3. Ay

    4. Naruto

    5. 3rd Raikage



    Speed wise

    1. Minato

    2. Tobirama

    3. Naruto

    4. Ay

    5. Gai or Lee using Gates
    i agree on both bee and tobirama's reaction feats. I didn't include tobirama because i didn't really remember if he had any reaction feats worthy enough of mention
     
         
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    Re: Reaction time vs speed

    Seems legit !
     
         

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    Re: Reaction time vs speed

    Quote Originally Posted by sandy uzumaki View Post
    Seems legit !
    disagreement?
     
         

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    Re: Reaction time vs speed

    I agree with this, you have put forth a really nice point...
     
         

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    Re: Reaction time vs speed

    I agree,....
     
         

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    Re: Reaction time vs speed

    (Skimmed over OP so this might be skewed) It doesn't discredit Naruto's reaction time against Ay, nor does it do the same for Minato's in the same case. They have both been shown to react and outspeed V2 AY easily. Therefore their reactions are better.
     
         

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    Re: Reaction time vs speed

    Quote Originally Posted by Sachchidanand View Post
    I agree with this, you have put forth a really nice point...
    thank you, I really appreciate positive reinforcement
     
         
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    Re: Reaction time vs speed

    Quote Originally Posted by Transcendence View Post
    (Skimmed over OP so this might be skewed) It doesn't discredit Naruto's reaction time against Ay, nor does it do the same for Minato's in the same case. They have both been shown to react and outspeed V2 AY easily. Therefore their reactions are better.
    Nah the point is to highlight that naruto's speed isn't as battle usable as Minato's or the raikage's due to his lack of reaction feats. Naruto is no doubt faster, but sometimes raw speed just isn't as important.

    Edit: its battle usable if an attack is telegraphed but he lacks the reaction time to effectively counter attacks that aren't presented to him on a platter
     
         
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    Re: Reaction time vs speed

    Quote Originally Posted by slimreaper View Post
    Nah the point is to highlight that naruto's speed isn't as battle usable as Minato's or the raikage's due to his lack of reaction feats. Naruto is no doubt faster, but sometimes raw speed just isn't as important
    Aha, ok. Then I agree.
     
         

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    Re: Reaction time vs speed

    Quote Originally Posted by slimreaper View Post
    Nah the point is to highlight that naruto's speed isn't as battle usable as Minato's or the raikage's due to his lack of reaction feats. Naruto is no doubt faster, but sometimes raw speed just isn't as important
    This,... Speed isn't everything, remember when Tobirama said that if he uses ftg and teleport behind Obito he knows clearly that killin him wouldn't be enough and Obito can strike back whenever he wants too so u need time reaction when u use ftg tech as well to attack, however not only foot speed, teleporting or raw speed.
     
         

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    Re: Reaction time vs speed

    Slimwanker,when you are not wanking Sasuke,your threads are decent.
    Goodjob and i agree
     
         

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    Re: Reaction time vs speed

    Quote Originally Posted by slimreaper View Post
    i agree on both bee and tobirama's reaction feats. I didn't include tobirama because i didn't really remember if he had any reaction feats worthy enough of mention
    Well Bee has only really had that and hitting his brother (but his bro was more of a power test).


    Tobirams also has a limited amount due to low screen time. But growing up in a war like state (no less fighting move reading Uchiha), and his reaction with Obito...I give him the reaction edge.

    AAnd that's naturally just my analysis of what I see. It's only natural for others to view them differently.
     
         

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    Re: Reaction time vs speed

    i agree with the first list but dunno about the second....
    nice thread...
     
         

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    Re: Reaction time vs speed

    Excellent thread and agreed.

    One application of your thread is with the dodging Amaterasu debate.

    You need both reaction time and speed to dodge/block Amaterasu. SM Naruto doesn't have both (required speed to dodge Amaterasu).
     
         

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