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    In theory Sasuke and Naruto have surpassed Hashirama and Madara

    The reason why I say this is cause through natural progression Naruto and Sasuke have become extremely powerful.

    The only reason why Hashirama and Madara got so strong is cause they were at war there entire lives so as they fought one another they became stronger and stronger.

    In a sense you could say If Naruto and Sasuke(Seeing as they are so strong through sheer progression and training) fought there entire lives in war and improved through that aspect. They would be A LOT stronger than Hashirama and Madara.

    We have to remember the theme of the series is the newer generation surpasses the older generation and going off of what has been displayed. Through natural progression and talent the newer generations have truly outshines the people before them.

    To Sum it up for those who don't understand:

    Naruto and Sasuke at 16 are stronger than Hashirama and Madara when they were 16....

    Thoughts?
     
         
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    Re: In theory Sasuke and Naruto have surpassed Hashirama and Madara

    They can, just not yet.
    Hashi solo's with mokuton surpress thingy
    Madara ust solos
     
         

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    Re: In theory Sasuke and Naruto have surpassed Hashirama and Madara

    yes i agree with you
     
         

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    Re: In theory Sasuke and Naruto have surpassed Hashirama and Madara

    Never. Madara toyed with Naruto, who's stronger than Sasuke.
    Hashirama stomped Madara.

    Now they were VERY young when creating a village, but a bit older than Sasuke & Naruto. And they were HEADS. No. I don't think so.

    Not even ABC logic. This is like Kakashi vs. Prime Nagato.
     
         
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    Re: In theory Sasuke and Naruto have surpassed Hashirama and Madara

    They are at such a high level at the ripe old age of 16. It will take some more time for them to surpass the greatest names in their respective clans. I mean, Madara and Hashirama were well into their 20's when they founded the village and 30's when they fought at the final valley. Naruto and Sasuke are close to their levels at half their ages, I don't think they should be surpassing them any time soon, but they are indeed strong.
     
         

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    Re: In theory Sasuke and Naruto have surpassed Hashirama and Madara

    If it was Hashirama and Madara Vs Naruto and Sasuke.... Hashi and Maddie would kill them easy peasy.
     
         

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    Re: In theory Sasuke and Naruto have surpassed Hashirama and Madara

    Hasn't happened yet, but it will in due time.
     
         

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    Re: In theory Sasuke and Naruto have surpassed Hashirama and Madara

    they're progression is uff.. <.< especially ugh..

    when it comes to being 15/16 years old.. Naru/Sasu are stronger than Hashi/Mada were at that age..
     
         

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    Re: In theory Sasuke and Naruto have surpassed Hashirama and Madara

    Quote Originally Posted by UchihaNagashi View Post
    Never. Madara toyed with Naruto, who's stronger than Sasuke.
    Hashirama stomped Madara.

    Not even ABC logic. This is like Kakashi vs. Prime Nagato.
    Quote Originally Posted by x iiiMPerFeCT View Post
    They are at such a high level at the ripe old age of 16. It will take some more time for them to surpass the greatest names in their respective clans. I mean, Madara and Hashirama were well into their 20's when they founded the village and 30's when they fought at the final valley. Naruto and Sasuke are close to their levels at half their ages, I don't think they should be surpassing them any time soon, but they are indeed strong.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkie Uchiha View Post
    If it was Hashirama and Madara Vs Naruto and Sasuke.... Hashi and Maddie would kill them easy peasy.
    the point of the thread is stating that if Naruto and Sasuke fought as much as hashirama and madara did then Naruto and Sasuke would be stronger than them... Not Sasuke and Naruto are stronger... If you look at Ages Naruto and Sasuke at 16 are stronger than Hashi and Madara when they were 16
     
         
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    Re: In theory Sasuke and Naruto have surpassed Hashirama and Madara

    I see what you mean. If they were all brought up in the same era, then Naruto and Sasuke would be superior.
    You could also look at it if they were all 16. At 16, current Naruto and Sasuke are likely to be better than Madara and Hashi were at 16.

    The only issue here is the fact that Hashirama still had mokuton at this age and Madara only really surpassed him when he got the EMS, Rinnegan and Mokuton.
     
         

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    Re: In theory Sasuke and Naruto have surpassed Hashirama and Madara

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellanoma View Post
    the point of the thread is stating that if Naruto and Sasuke fought as much as hashirama and madara did then Naruto and Sasuke would be stronger than them... Not Sasuke and Naruto are stronger... If you look at Ages Naruto and Sasuke at 16 are stronger than Hashi and Madara when they were 16
    Not bad, but there's one error.

    You don't know how strong they were.
     
         

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    Re: In theory Sasuke and Naruto have surpassed Hashirama and Madara

    Just like other members said, They can just not yet, and I would correct it they will but not yet, Sasuke will probably get perfect Susano'o and similarity between Madara and Sasuke gives me that feeling...
     
         

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    Re: In theory Sasuke and Naruto have surpassed Hashirama and Madara

    Actually Sasuke isn't 16 he's a bit older than naruto but u do have a point
     
         

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    Re: In theory Sasuke and Naruto have surpassed Hashirama and Madara

    Who does Sakura surpass? Mito?
     
         

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    Re: In theory Sasuke and Naruto have surpassed Hashirama and Madara

    Quote Originally Posted by FemmeFatale View Post
    Who does Sakura surpass? Mito?
    The Band-Aid.
     
         

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    Re: In theory Sasuke and Naruto have surpassed Hashirama and Madara

    Quote Originally Posted by UchihaNagashi View Post
    Not bad, but there's one error.

    You don't know how strong they were.
    True but still looking at it this way..

    Madara and Hashirama got powerful through natural talent and mainly being in war day end and day out

    Sasuke and Naruto have progressed through Natural talent meaning no telling how strong they would have been if they fought war day end and day out. Potentially they are indeed on the verge of being OP

    Quote Originally Posted by FemmeFatale View Post
    Who does Sakura surpass? Mito?
    Since Tsunade was the first to revolutionize Medical ninjutsu... She basically surpassed the band-aid, wooden cast, miracle leaves, and all other primitive equipment they used back then haha
     
         

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    Re: In theory Sasuke and Naruto have surpassed Hashirama and Madara

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellanoma View Post
    Naruto and Sasuke at 16 are stronger than Hashirama and Madara when they were 16....

    Thoughts?
    I agree with this and you can just make that 17....
     
         

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    Re: In theory Sasuke and Naruto have surpassed Hashirama and Madara

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellanoma View Post
    True but still looking at it this way..

    Madara and Hashirama got powerful through natural talent and mainly being in war day end and day out

    Sasuke and Naruto have progressed through Natural talent meaning no telling how strong they would have been if they fought war day end and day out. Potentially they are indeed on the verge of being OP



    Since Tsunade was the first to revolutionize Medical ninjutsu... She basically surpassed the band-aid, wooden cast, miracle leaves, and all other primitive equipment they used back then haha
    No. Kekkei Genkai is not easy to master. Especially if you're the only user.
    + SM had to be trained. KCM had to be trained. Naruto developed his jutsu's.
    CM was gift. Sharingan was a gift basically. MS was a gift. EMS was a total gift.

    Madara awakened himself his MS and Sharingan. No gifts. ''Only'' user of PS. They developed their jutsu's since they were basically ''creators''. Naruto developed some and Sasuke developed less. They copied mainly. And Sasuke received help. Naruto didn't in training.
     
         

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    Re: In theory Sasuke and Naruto have surpassed Hashirama and Madara

    Currently Hashirama and Madara are stronger than Naruto and Sasuke ....

    Naruto and Sasuke are dfntly alot stronger than Madara and Hashirama when they are at the same age as Naruto and Sasuke....!

    Quote Originally Posted by FemmeFatale View Post
    Who does Sakura surpass? Mito?
    Tenten...........

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix110 View Post
    Actually Sasuke isn't 16 he's a bit older than naruto but u do have a point
    Only a few day's older than Naruto and Sasuke is already 17....



    Quote Originally Posted by UchihaNagashi View Post
    Not bad, but there's one error.

    You don't know how strong they were.
    Bro u r point does make's sense but Naruto is already compatable to full powered EMS Madara and so is Sasuke with a little difference so Naruto and Sasuke are dfntly stronger than those 2 when they are 16.........
     
         

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    Re: In theory Sasuke and Naruto have surpassed Hashirama and Madara

    Quote Originally Posted by UchihaNagashi View Post
    No. Kekkei Genkai is not easy to master. Especially if you're the only user.
    + SM had to be trained. KCM had to be trained. Naruto developed his jutsu's.
    CM was gift. Sharingan was a gift basically. MS was a gift. EMS was a total gift.

    Madara awakened himself his MS and Sharingan. No gifts. ''Only'' user of PS. They developed their jutsu's since they were basically ''creators''. Naruto developed some and Sasuke developed less. They copied mainly. And Sasuke received help. Naruto didn't in training.
    haha how can you say Sasuke sharingan abilities were gifts and Madara was not? They achieved there Eyes the same exact way ... Troll bait.. Also going by Manga Sasuke went through more hardship and darkness than Naruto so if anything Sasuke struggled more than Naruto
     
         

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    Re: In theory Sasuke and Naruto have surpassed Hashirama and Madara

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    Bro u r point does make's sense but Naruto is already compatable to full powered EMS Madara and so is Sasuke with a little difference so Naruto and Sasuke are dfntly stronger than those 2 when they are 16.........
    Sasuke is 17. He was at least born at the same day as Naruto.
    + You don't know that. Tobirama had Edo Tensei and FTG. He was comparable to Izuna and a bit stronger. That was when they were VERY young. And we all know Tobirama puts up a good fight against Sasuke. Imagine Madara who is a LOT stronger than Tobirama against Sasuke. He has skill and kowledge that can't be compared. And imagine Hashirama who would curbstomp Madara easily.

    Since they awakened MS young, it proves they should've already mastered it. Don't assume things yet.
     
         

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    Re: In theory Sasuke and Naruto have surpassed Hashirama and Madara

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellanoma View Post
    haha how can you say Sasuke sharingan abilities were gifts and Madara was not? They achieved there Eyes the same exact way ... Troll bait.. Also going by Manga Sasuke went through more hardship and darkness than Naruto so if anything Sasuke struggled more than Naruto
    @ Bold : Read whole Manga again.........
     
         

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    Re: In theory Sasuke and Naruto have surpassed Hashirama and Madara

    Comprehension......
     
         

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    Re: In theory Sasuke and Naruto have surpassed Hashirama and Madara

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    @ Bold : Read whole Manga again.........
    I'm not referring to the crybaby im a jinchuuriki and no one likes me. I mean't as far as doing dirty deeds as in killing and becoming a criminal. Sasuke killed a lot of people in this series...
     
         

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    Re: In theory Sasuke and Naruto have surpassed Hashirama and Madara

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellanoma View Post
    haha how can you say Sasuke sharingan abilities were gifts and Madara was not? They achieved there Eyes the same exact way ... Troll bait.. Also going by Manga Sasuke went through more hardship and darkness than Naruto so if anything Sasuke struggled more than Naruto
    Madar was the FIRST one who activated MS.
    Obito stated, Itachi wished Sasuke awake it when they fought. + They were transferred. So what was it? Exactly.

    We're not talking about who's more butthurt. We're talking about strength. + Naruto went through hell in training. Sasuke got pills and got a boost from Orochimaru.
     
         

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