[Predictions] Naruto Manga 490 Discussion and 491 Predictions

[John Constantine]

i agree with you one this one it must be someone powerful but it cant be orochimaru because he is sealed not dead remember itachi's susano.my three guess are 1. 1st hokage 2.his brother 3.the sage of six paths(could be he is dead after all)

Rule the First Hokage out as his soul is sealed within the Death Ripper stomach and Kishi already showed him summoned before so it wouldn't be a surprise.

His brother, can be indeed but i still think it's someone even bigger..

Sage of the six paths, i don't think so.. I doubt anyone even Madara knows how he looks like.. Plus it wouldn't be that relevant to Madara anyway.

[a thousand years of death]

I kinda like you.. Your interpretation of what i said is up to you.
Why not just binge on Oreos,though??

hehe. im not a big fan of oreos tbh.

Your quite true about that, but what everyone is taking into mind is Madara's reaction and Kabuto's response to that reaction. Madara was disturbed and confused on how Kabuto had w/e corpse inside that unknown casket. Before you can use edo tensai, Kabuto must have the body. For example, to summon Itachi, Kabuto requires Itachis body so Itachi's spirit can be pulled from the world of the dead and forced back into the ody it belongs to. So, obviously the body he summoned is that of a body one, that being Tobi/Madara, thought was impossible to find/detect. I'm sure if Tobi were Madara, but in a different body or the shadow of his former body, then the true body of Madara was supposed to be either hidden and only Tobi knows or completely destroyed, raising speculation to Tobi on how the hell did you manage to get my own body when I thought it was gone myself. Now, if Tobi weren't really Madara and using Madara's name, then Kabuto having the true body of Madara can make the nations take Tobi less seriously. Who do you think the Kages would fear more, Madara or some random Uchiha such as Obito if it were him? Obviously Madara as the alliace would strike more fear and allow Nations to take him more seriously as well as screw up in the fact of believing he were Madara.

But also, the body doesn't even have to be Madara, it could be any ninja that was powerful and no one would expect you to find the body, such as the Sage of Six Paths for instance. How would Kabuto find the body of the Rikudo Sensei when he was at first believed to be a fairy-tale and also died well over 100 years ago? Imagine how Rikudo Sensei can pose as a threat to Madara. Madara relies on the King of Hell Statue to hold the tailed-beasts. Rikudo could easily dispell the statue, sealing it from Madara and possibly releasing the tailed beasts. Rikudo overall would just put an end to Madara's plans actually.

But, I didn't mention Kabuto's response. He told Tobi to not worry, he hasn't told a single person about that body. That could inform us that A.) Tobi is either not Madara, Kabuto knows the truth or B.) Tobi is Madara but just the shadow, the Tobi's body was hidden or destroyed entirely, cause the state of Tobi's fear on how Kabuto found it. Also, Kabuto responed "oh, you know..." when Tobi asked "how?". That shows me the body could have had protection on it, and only Madara/Tobi knows how to remove them. If Kabuto removed them, that shows Kabuto's capabilities and shows Madara how Kabuto got the body, with extreme powers possibly.

i dont remember anything about needing a body for that jutsu (no not "that jutsu" )
also does edo tensei need to use the soul of the person you are summoning? cause if you do isnt the first sealed in the reaper?
if so it cant be the first.

i dont believe tobi is madara anymore. i was only tenative about him being madara to begin with.
i dont think it is obito either. he would have been too young to have been a pain to the fourth.

i think it might have been shisui. i mean an advanced shunshin, a missing eye that could have been taken by danzo, the need to get it after that fight. we where never told about shisui's age and Ao wasnt at the summit when tobi arrived.

shisui was suddenly built up in the last arc and now it is hinted madara isnt tobi.

I think Kabuto resembles more and more Orochimaru. Raikage seems like a dragon when he is talking/yelling/screaming =). I have to say that I would be very disappointed in Naruto if at the end he is not able to beat Sasuke with his own strength.

i concur itachi sama. with everything you said

[jovardo]

Rule the First Hokage out as his soul is sealed within the Death Ripper stomach and Kishi already showed him summoned before so it wouldn't be a surprise.

His brother, can be indeed but i still think it's someone even bigger..

Sage of the six paths, i don't think so.. I doubt anyone even Madara knows how he looks like.. Plus it wouldn't be that relevant to Madara anyway.

so are you saying that for kabuto to summon dead people he needs to know how they look.if so then your wrong orochimaru summon the 1st hokage and im sure orochimaru wasn't alive with the 1st. and there is rumor of how the sage of six path look s so maybe he could summon him back. and how do you even know that kabuto knew that madara had an brother. and its obvious that the sage would be the reningan user who is not pain.....duh anyone could figure that one out.

[Narutofan123457]

Ok, my theory about Tobi/Madara. NO!! Madara is NOT OBITO!!! Obito is dead... D-E-A-D!! Anyway, i think that madara may or may not be madara. I think that when the 1st fought the real Madara, madara used izanagi, but the first was able to counter it and wear down Madara. When madara was near death he found a pawn. I think Tobi is a pawn who, before madara died, was forced to take madara's eye and implant them in his own-that is why he cannot use the full power of it yet. However, like Orochimaru and Kabuto, Madara is slowly taking over the pawn's body, which is why Kisame still recognized him. This would also explain why Madara has the two completely different personalities (Tobi and Madara). Now Madara has almost completely taken over, but his body has taken too much damage, which is why he needs the Rinnegan-to make his body complete again. The body Kabuto has inside the box could be madara's REAL body, fully healed and ready to go.

Just a theory, but I think it could be realistic.

[John Constantine]

so are you saying that for kabuto to summon dead people he needs to know how they look.if so then your wrong orochimaru summon the 1st hokage and im sure orochimaru wasn't alive with the 1st. and there is rumor of how the sage of six path look s so maybe he could summon him back. and how do you even know that kabuto knew that madara had an brother. and its obvious that the sage would be the reningan user who is not pain.....duh anyone could figure that one out.

You didn't understood what i said.. Madara wouldn't recognize the Sage of the six paths to be that surprised..
And actually one of Edo Tensei requirements is : The dead body will then be encased in ash and dirt to resemble the original body of the person that was resurrected.
I guess it requires some type of molding.

[Jonesy161]

i dont remember anything about needing a body for that jutsu (no not "that jutsu" )
also does edo tensei need to use the soul of the person you are summoning? cause if you do isnt the first sealed in the reaper?
if so it cant be the first.

i dont believe tobi is madara anymore. i was only tenative about him being madara to begin with.
i dont think it is obito either. he would have been too young to have been a pain to the fourth.

i think it might have been shisui. i mean an advanced shunshin, a missing eye that could have been taken by danzo, the need to get it after that fight. we where never told about shisui's age and Ao wasnt at the summit when tobi arrived.

shisui was suddenly built up in the last arc and now it is hinted madara isnt tobi.

Yes, it requires Kabuto to forcefully pull the soul back. Some souls cannot be brought back for certain reasons such as Minato's Shinigami summon aka Death God, all those names. Those people would be the 1st Hokage, the 2nd Hokage, the 3rd Hokage, and the 4th Hokage. None of them can be revived, kinda odd thinking of it... All 4 previous hokages in the Death God's belly lol, maybe Tsunade is destined to join them!

[kisamexRocks]

So Kabuto is the best now huh? Weird. Well seems that the body in the coffin is most likely someone very important to Madara, his brother(showing the time range of which Kabuto can use his new Jutsu), or someone that was alive and Madara kept him a secret and now he's dead. It's either Madara himself or someone VERY close to Madara. The biggest mystery is going to be the one in the coffin.

I guess it's going to be a kick ass final battle if Naruto is going to get control of the Nine Tails, gonna be really awesome to see him transform and be able to contain his his own will. Also anyone notice that Madara is confident in the Battle? Like I mean it's probably going to be an awesome battle but wont end the Naruto series and Madara is going to live and its gonna be like hundreds of Manga chapters before Naruto is finally finished.

Plus to anyone that thinks that Kisame will die in the next few chapters and the Eight Tails will train Naruto. I think your wrong since, the Toad Sage said you will meet an octopus and now the Raikage is sending out invitations to come up with a plan, my guess is that's the only time Naruto will meet the Eight Tails and stay with him for a bit before he has to Depart back to Konoha, and once that's done, Kisame will either leave and complete his spy mission or capture the Eight Tails and return to the hideout.

[Narutofan123457]

so are you saying that for kabuto to summon dead people he needs to know how they look.if so then your wrong orochimaru summon the 1st hokage and im sure orochimaru wasn't alive with the 1st. and there is rumor of how the sage of six path look s so maybe he could summon him back. and how do you even know that kabuto knew that madara had an brother. and its obvious that the sage would be the reningan user who is not pain.....duh anyone could figure that one out.

m, interesting-i guess it could be the sage of 6 paths. So what if madara was the one to kill him? it makes sense... madara kills sage to try to take the juubi, and then the sage somehow survives and seperates the juubi into jinchuuriki, so that madara will never succeed in his plan. The sage then grants power to the senju, pissing off all the uchiha. Now madara plans to take his revenge and is rounding up the jinchuuriki for round 2. He needs pein's eyes cuz they are the same as the sage's, and with one uchiha and one rinnegan, madara thinks he'll be able to control the juubi. The only question then, is how the hell did Kabuto get the sage of 6 path's body???

[hugocruzz]

Hi everyone, i think it was a great chapter very revealling, i was right when i said that kabuto was criating an army for madara, one thing i didn't understand, he is trying to help konoha? Is he still doing this to thank Naruto? Strange but reliable.

Very curious to know who body was that, maybe really madara's body, i think it's the only way to surprise madara like that.

What do you think? Cheers.

[bam06005]

Who did Kabuto summon?????

I think it is the 4th

:D

[Jonesy161]

so are you saying that for kabuto to summon dead people he needs to know how they look.if so then your wrong orochimaru summon the 1st hokage and im sure orochimaru wasn't alive with the 1st. and there is rumor of how the sage of six path look s so maybe he could summon him back. and how do you even know that kabuto knew that madara had an brother. and its obvious that the sage would be the reningan user who is not pain.....duh anyone could figure that one out.

He didn't say you need to know how he looks. He said, in other words, that if the Sage of Six Paths was summoned, since there has been no picture on the Sage and that he's well over 100 years older the Madara, then Madara would probably not even know if the sage was in front of him. Also, there are no "rumors" on how the sage looks. As well as Kabuto knowing Izuna(Madara's brother), Madara and Izuna were known throughout the ninja world because Madara was the leader of the Uchiha's and Izuna led the Uchiha forces. The Uchiha's and the Senjuu's were well known by everyone, just like the 2nd hokage was known around the ninja world, he's the younger brother of the 1st Hokage. Power reveals lineage. And about the rinnegan, we don't know the full story about it. The Sage appeared in dark times, when the juubi ruled the world. Pein appeared in the 3rd ninja war. Tobi possesses what appears to be a set of rinnegan eyes as he stated earlier, and it happens to be the 4th ninja war at the moment. Kakashi stated Rinnegan is said to appear in times of great parrel. Juubi, 3rd war, 4th war, well what about the 1st and 2nd wars? There could have been more then just Pein and the Sage as Rinnegan users. You can't assume that since we known what Pein looks like, if another rinnegan user appeared out of a casket, then it's obviously the Sage. It could be an unknown Rinnegan user from the 1st or 2nd wars that were never really discussed about.

[Jonesy161]

Who did Kabuto summon?????

I think it is the 4th

:D

Can't be any of the hokages. The 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th are all sealed in the Death God's stomach, they can't be returned. As for Tsunade, well she isn't dead yet lol.

[cryhwks]

I am predicting that when Naruto starts training with Killerbee, they find out about Who is hiding in the sword. And maybe Sasuke finds out about Kabuto.

I could diffenetly see that happen if Naruto goes into sage mode maby he will be able to sense Kisame

[Sage Minato]

Wow, the english version came out really early this time!

I actually like this chapter. I'm so excited that Naruto will finally learn how to control the kyuubi at its fullest.

And, it seems like the most wanted character is Sasuke. A lot of characters want him .

The mystery man in the casket clearly has some strong connection to Madara.

Agreed the expression on madara's face made him look like he was going to pee his pants.
Omg Omg OMFG I absolutely loved this chapter KISHI YOU ARE A FREAKING GENIUS DUDE!!!!!
This chapter deserves a :worshippy::whoa:as of right now you are at the top of my cool list well under God of course.
Wow kishi really didn't disappoint on this one and OMFG I can't wait to see the next one, I am so excited to see that naruto is finally going to learn how to control the kyuubi and is going to get training from the KB.

It's like my prayers have finally been answered!!!:D

[Mugiwara]

Stay on topic people, no insulting each other, keep it in english also.

[Dabz]

what does - ttebayo mean? naruto always says it and now karibi?

[Michael92]

First of all, many here should take a look at the last Discussion/Prediction thread where Kenshin Himura explained countless times that you

DON`T NEED THE BODY OF THE PERSON TO SUMMON HIM!
Somebody even linked the page where you could read about it.

Second of all, Oro, Kenshin... Please stop propping this thread with foreign Language!

Third. Most of you guys forget something. If Kabuto (or anyone for that matter) can`t summon peoples that have been sealed/got their soul sealed inside the death god(1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th Hokage), then how was Orochimaru able to summon the 4th Hokage(Well Sarutobi stopped him in the last sec.)?

He`s sealed inside the death god, but Oro still halfway summoned him.

Speaking of the 4th Hokage. I wonder why Sarutobi said that he had to stop that coffin(the one with Minato) no matter what? Was it because he knew he couldn`t handle more than 2 former Hokages, or was it because Minato was better that the 1st?

And lastly, the one in the coffin is probably someone that we haven`t heard of, like Madara and Izuna`s dad or third brother.

But its most likely the "real" Madara, his brother, the 4th Hokage, The 1st Hokage, or maybe even Hanzo the Salamander. Who knows.

And speaking of Kabuto summoning peoples. If he cares so much about Oro, why doesn`t he just summon him?

1: Because he knows a way of reviving him the real way through Sasuke.

2: Because he want Oro to have his own will not to be controlled.

3: Because Oro himself is sealed within the sword and not just his soul. Maybe that`s why Oro could summon the 4th, and Kabuto can`t summon Oro. - Because only Minato`s soul was sealed while Oro`s soul and body was sealed.

Any Thoughts?

[Honord Sage]

Theirs only two persons in Madara pass He would not want to face again, The First Hokage who defeated Him and Madaras younger Brother who He kill to get His eyes. One of the two might be in the coffin.

[John Constantine]

keep it in english also.

That's racism

[Degrees]

Nice chapter I can not wait to see the next one.
Finally Naruto going to use the nine tails it's about time and so what if Naruto needs the nine tails to beat Sasuke when your given something use it. Also I wonder who can scare Madara so much and does anyone remeber someone from Anbu root was trying to tail Kabuto too for Danzou.

[Sarito]

i dont remember anything about needing a body for that jutsu (no not "that jutsu" )
also does edo tensei need to use the soul of the person you are summoning? cause if you do isnt the first sealed in the reaper?

I'm pretty sure that you only need a corpse for the soul to go into.

Not their actual body.

[Michael92]

One more thing. I think that this are suggesting that we will see three or maybe all four ways of controlling/using a Bijuu(that`s what i believe).

1: Pure controll like Madara(assuming) and the 1st. Hokage.

2: Being a Jinjuuriken and releasing the Bijuu while controlling/being him yourself like Killerbee.

3: Being a Jinjuuriken and releasing the Bijuu to fight along side you while using some of its chacra yourself(Maybe Naruto will learn to do this).

4: Use all of the Bijuu`s chacra without "growing tailes"(Probably what Naruto will learn to do).

I believe that this are the only ways to controll a bijuu(Not counting Madara`s plan).

What do you guys think?

[Jonesy161]

First of all, many here should take a look at the last Discussion/Prediction thread where Kenshin Himura explained countless times that you

DON`T NEED THE BODY OF THE PERSON TO SUMMON HIM!
Somebody even linked the page where you could read about it.

Second of all, Oro, Kenshin... Please stop propping this thread with foreign Language!

Third. Most of you guys forget something. If Kabuto (or anyone for that matter) can`t summon peoples that have been sealed/got their soul sealed inside the death god(1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th Hokage), then how was Orochimaru able to summon the 4th Hokage(Well Sarutobi stopped him in the last sec.)?

He`s sealed inside the death god, but Oro still halfway summoned him.

Speaking of the 4th Hokage. I wonder why Sarutobi said that he had to stop that coffin(the one with Minato) no matter what? Was it because he knew he couldn`t handle more than 2 former Hokages, or was it because Minato was better that the 1st?

And lastly, the one in the coffin is probably someone that we haven`t heard of, like Madara and Izuna`s dad or third brother.

But its most likely the "real" Madara, his brother, the 4th Hokage, The 1st Hokage, or maybe even Hanzo the Salamander. Who knows.

And speaking of Kabuto summoning peoples. If he cares so much about Oro, why doesn`t he just summon him?

1: Because he knows a way of reviving him the real way through Sasuke.

2: Because he want Oro to have his own will not to be controlled.

3: Because Oro himself is sealed within the sword and not just his soul. Maybe that`s why Oro could summon the 4th, and Kabuto can`t summon Oro. - Because only Minato`s soul was sealed while Oro`s soul and body was sealed.

Any Thoughts?

Cannot be the 1st or 4th hokage, I already said that countless times... -.- And Oro lives on inside Kabuto, Oro isn't all that dead yet. The white snake if you remember.

[aconjunto]

i think that kabuto will "steal" Sasuke and that's why he led Anko there, to make a surprise attack to Madara. Naruto will help Kirabi to defeat Kisame and then Naruto will train with Kirabi and bla bla bla..... he will control the kyuubi's chakra completely

[aconjunto]

and about the 6th coffin, i think that maybe is the real body of Madara...