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    Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    Pain's defeat at the hands of Naruto was a great way for his character development, but do you think that Jiraiya could have defeat Pain?

    Think about it:

    -Jiraiya went into battle not knowing anything about the enemy.

    -Jiraiya's entire battle with Pain was basically an experiment, if you will. The more he faught Pain, the more he learned about his techniques. He gave this message to Leaf and they were well aware of what they were dealing with.

    -When Naruto went into battle with Pain, he knew what he was dealing with as well.

    If Jiraiya had a second chance at Pain, do you think he would stand a chance?
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    I believe he could. Even Pain admits "if he had known our secret we likely would have lost." I think this speaks volumes about J-mans power.
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    Yes, nuff said, Pain admitted if Jiraiya knew of their secret they would have lost. Jiraiya took out 3 paths. He could have escaped but he didn't.
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    Give him full intel and he still loses.
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

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    Give him full intel and he still loses.
    Pretty much this.
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    I believe Jiraiya would win with full intel.
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    jiraya had already defeated nagato who was the boss of the 6 paths without intel.
    porn book no jutsu >>>>>> nagato.
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    Pain was able to keep a battle against 6-tails Naruto, Jirayia had to stop when Naruto reached 4.

    I think no.
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hirudora View Post
    Pain was able to keep a battle against 6-tails Naruto, Jirayia had to stop when Naruto reached 4.

    I think no.
    Jman didn't used SM and he had no intention of hurting or fighting Naruto....Iam sure Jman would have killed Naruto with this
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hirudora View Post
    Pain was able to keep a battle against 6-tails Naruto, Jirayia had to stop when Naruto reached 4.

    I think no.
    Ya. Jiraiya did not want to hurt Jiraiya. Does Pain give a damn?

    OT: I doubt it.
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hirudora View Post
    Pain was able to keep a battle against 6-tails Naruto, Jirayia had to stop when Naruto reached 4.

    I think no.
    -_- Idiot he didnt use Sage mode but how would he be able to stop it unless killing him only Naruto will can or putting a tag which he did
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Avinash012 View Post
    Jman didn't used SM and he had no intention of hurting or fighting Naruto....Iam sure Jman would have killed Naruto with this
    Jirayia almost got killed by the power of 4-Tail. I understand Jirayia wasn't all-out, but Pain wasn't all out either, so this fact supports my statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Penguin2640 View Post
    Ya. Jiraiya did not want to hurt Jiraiya. Does Pain give a damn?

    OT: I doubt it.
    *Naruto

    And Pain wasn't all-out, so guess what... no.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Naruto San View Post
    -_- Idiot he didnt use Sage mode but how would he be able to stop it unless killing him only Naruto will can or putting a tag which he did
    I'll omit idiot since I don't want to lack respect as you do, so I hope you learn some manners before referring other people.

    And I'll answer you the same as I did before... True, Jirayia didn't go All-Out. But Pain didn't go All-out either. Pain show more dangerous powers when he fought 6-tails.
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hirudora View Post
    Pain was able to keep a battle against 6-tails Naruto, Jirayia had to stop when Naruto reached 4.

    I think no.
    pretty sure jiraya did not used SM.
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    well jiraiya kinda did defeat pain with that book no jutsu
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    If you all go back and look at the chapter around Jiraiya's death. Pain clearly says "if he had known our secret he would have beaten us". PAIN ADMITS HE WOULD LOSE if Jiraiya had full intel.
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    Jiraiya solos.
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    yeah with full intel i think jiraiya could pull out a win.
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    If he had the amount of knowledge that Naruto had, there is no doubt that Jiraiya could have beaten Pain.

    Jiraiya took down three of the Paths of Pain without any previous knowledge. I'm pretty sure that if he hadn't been blind-sided by the other paths and had his arm torn off, he could have probably still at least been able to escape. Furthermore, after their battle, Pain even said that their success in battle heavily relies on his secret. In other words, if people knew that the bodies were just puppets that could be brought back any number of times, Pain would have been defeated long ago.
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    If he had the info, then yes.
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    Jiraiya fought at the worst place for a normal shinobi: a series of connected sewer tunnels, with one path of vision. Pain had 6 paths of vision, easily knowing where Jiraiya would be hiding.

    Naruto's fight with Pain was on a flat, wide open environment. He could see all 6 Pains right there! He had tremendously-less worry about being flanked.

    Knowledge is one thing, but having to fight in a seriously-biased territory is another thing entirely.

    Despite this, Jiraiya incapacitated two Pains and took one home. Were Jiraiya to fight on the same grounds as Naruto's fight, he would have progressed much farther to the final Pain, then lose.
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?



    Manga says there was a chance, so yes
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    Pain stomps
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    Would anyone mind telling me how having full Intel saves Jiraiya from Chou Shinra Tensei or Chibaku Tensei or Bansho Tenin+Animal Path's summons/Human Path?
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    Quote Originally Posted by ItachiStillSolos View Post
    Would anyone mind telling me how having full Intel saves Jiraiya from Chou Shinra Tensei or Chibaku Tensei or Bansho Tenin+Animal Path's summons/Human Path?
    WTF....?
    even Kakashi and Gai developed counters for Pain ....

    Sound Genjutsu one shots all of them ........!
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    Jman would lose, as much as i love him, he has no answer to CT or deva path in general.
     
         

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