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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    Pain even said if he had full intel he would have won
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    Yes i wholeheartedly believe he could have won if he had the chance too
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    jiraiya's only hope was getting deva path first in sound genjutsu.
    rest can be beaten easily if you know what kind of attack would work against whom.

    however jiraiya loses to nagato any ways so jiraiya could hardly defeats paths.
    jiraiya was a battle smart like naruto, so i think he could defeat all the paths with high difficulty but not nagato himself.
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    Depends on how Pain fights, If Pain uses these Jiraiya is f**ked whether he has knowledge or not



     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Avinash012 View Post
    Jman didn't used SM and he had no intention of hurting or fighting Naruto....Iam sure Jman would have killed Naruto with this
    Jirayia almost got killed by the power of 4-Tail. I understand Jirayia wasn't all-out, but Pain wasn't all out either, so this fact supports my statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Penguin2640 View Post
    Ya. Jiraiya did not want to hurt Jiraiya. Does Pain give a damn?

    OT: I doubt it.
    *Naruto

    And Pain wasn't all-out, so guess what... no.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Naruto San View Post
    -_- Idiot he didnt use Sage mode but how would he be able to stop it unless killing him only Naruto will can or putting a tag which he did
    I'll omit idiot since I don't want to lack respect as you do, so I hope you learn some manners before referring other people.

    And I'll answer you the same as I did before... True, Jirayia didn't go All-Out. But Pain didn't go All-out either. Pain show more dangerous powers when he fought 6-tails.
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    It's a tough call as much as I like him I must say no. I think Kishi out of respect for the fan service gave Jiraiya a chance against him but if you really think of all the feats Nagato showed through the six pains, Naruto shouldn't even have been able to beat them at the time with his power at the time. And he was stronger than Jiraya already.
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    No chance.

    Even with intel, SM Naruto lost to pain (Kyuubi allowed him to win).
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    Nagato himself acknowledged that he would have lost if Jiraiya knew their secret. My guess is that he would have waited for all 6 pains to show themselves before revealing his super ultra mega excelsior genjutsu. And again, if Nagato didn't know about it in the fight against Naruto, he would of lost right then and there.

    Bottom line, both sides had intel on each other.
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    Yes, if J-man had full info. Of each pain and how it works.
    I'm sure J-man can take them high diff.
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    Full intel and genjutsu>> pain.
    People with a half wo rking brain know jman wouldve won with full intel.
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    naruto only won because pain couldn't use deva path.
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    Jesus..... yeah, so we skip from Naruto and Jiraiya having a training to a 9 tails Naruto fighting pein.. Please, Jiraiya could have killed Pein, not easily, but surely if knowing the strategy to follow. You can praise as much as you want Nagato for having a Rinnegan and the chakra to manipulate it, but J-man was viewed as a fighting monster in the Narutoverse, don´t be naive with your own icons.


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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    When I was reading it for the first time I thought he was going to pull it out. Reading Pain's comments only further cemented that theory. Jiraiya was at a huge disadvantage and still found a way to own Konan and take out 3 Pains without any prior info. If he would have run away and returned to fight another day he would have won. Keep in mind if he would have gone back Tsunade would have likely been with him and she showed against Madara she isn't a slouch in battle.
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hirudora View Post
    Pain was able to keep a battle against 6-tails Naruto, Jirayia had to stop when Naruto reached 4.

    I think no.
    pretty sure jiraya did not used SM.
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    i still say no he would not win. At the time of the battle, pain had not used all his paths, he had used summons and very little else besides shared vision to fight jman. He said jman would have won if he knew their secret, but that was before kishi officially introduced the paths and their powers. Even with the intel, naruto took out a few and then nearly got his ass handed to him before kurama jumped on his weakened state and tried to control him, in actuality naruto didnt beat them all, he beat most and then kurama finished the job. It is a similar parallel to how in series 1 hashi and tobirama were said to be beasts, but mediocre at best, only just strong enough as a pair to force hiruzen to RDS them, whereas now they are properly introduced and fully showcased...hashi being nearly all powerful and as close to so6p as anyone has gotten without a tailed beast, and tobi, while not as powerful, has the showings of one of the greatest understandings of ninjutsu since the sage himself created it. What im getting across is that just like series 1 hashi and tobirama, jman battle pain was incomplete if you will and was just assumed to be all powerfull, it isn't until the strength is truly showcased does the guy hav any true merit of strength though. But simply put, how do we know jman would have thought to flood the path with nature energy to turn it into a statue? Or how do we know he would have the firepower to defeat the gravity bomb by himself when it took powerful shots from itachi naruto and killer b to tople it just 20 issues ago?
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    Yeah.. Nagato would have been defeated.. High dif.
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    Quote Originally Posted by abister90 View Post
    Pain's defeat at the hands of Naruto was a great way for his character development, but do you think that Jiraiya could have defeat Pain?

    Think about it:

    -Jiraiya went into battle not knowing anything about the enemy.

    -Jiraiya's entire battle with Pain was basically an experiment, if you will. The more he faught Pain, the more he learned about his techniques. He gave this message to Leaf and they were well aware of what they were dealing with.

    -When Naruto went into battle with Pain, he knew what he was dealing with as well.

    If Jiraiya had a second chance at Pain, do you think he would stand a chance?
    Nope, even with full intel, he couldn't take on 6 pains. He struggled with 3, he knew he couldn't fight 3 so had to run away and rely on Ma&Pa's genjutsu.
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    Quote Originally Posted by abister90 View Post
    Pain's defeat at the hands of Naruto was a great way for his character development, but do you think that Jiraiya could have defeat Pain?

    Think about it:

    -Jiraiya went into battle not knowing anything about the enemy.

    -Jiraiya's entire battle with Pain was basically an experiment, if you will. The more he faught Pain, the more he learned about his techniques. He gave this message to Leaf and they were well aware of what they were dealing with.

    -When Naruto went into battle with Pain, he knew what he was dealing with as well.

    If Jiraiya had a second chance at Pain, do you think he would stand a chance?
    I think the outcome would be the same since Jiraiya didn't fight all 6 at one time. he struggled severly with 3

    Only reason naruto won is cause the nine tails went rampant
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    Jiraiya may not fully defeat Pein, but most probably 50% chance.
    He was not ready to fight, but to gather intel about Pein.
    For intel, Kakashi did provide accurate intel and get Choji to tell Tsunade.
    Note that Pein was the student of Jiraiya and would know Jiraiya jutsu & strength.
    Naruto lost to Pein with chakra rods holding him.
    Then when using Kurama (already 8 Tails, as Yamato knew).
    And with Senjutsu, Naruto knew where Nagato was.
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    I doubt it..
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    I love Jiraiya, but I doubt he would have won against Pain. First all of those who say " Even Pain said that with full intel Jiraiya would win." Pain said that that was a possibility, not a fact. I think someone already mentioned it, his only hope is sound genjutsu and to do it before Chibaku Tensei or a strong Shinra Tensei. If he doesn't though, he doesn't have the firepower to get out. I think that his potential to win a battle against Pain with full intel, is still very slim.
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    I hate when ppl try and use quotes from the characters to back up a point, it's honestly dumb because kishi dictates what they say, not the characters themselves, anyways I say no, chibaku tensei and it's game over.
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    If he had info, of course. Even pain admitted it...
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    I think he would have had a chance.
     
         

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    Re: Could Jiraiya Have Defeated Pain?

    Quote Originally Posted by abister90 View Post
    Pain's defeat at the hands of Naruto was a great way for his character development, but do you think that Jiraiya could have defeat Pain?

    Think about it:

    -Jiraiya went into battle not knowing anything about the enemy.

    -Jiraiya's entire battle with Pain was basically an experiment, if you will. The more he faught Pain, the more he learned about his techniques. He gave this message to Leaf and they were well aware of what they were dealing with.

    -When Naruto went into battle with Pain, he knew what he was dealing with as well.

    If Jiraiya had a second chance at Pain, do you think he would stand a chance?
    no dont think so. tendo is too much even for jiraiya
     
         

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