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    Re: Orochimaru's real Intentions..

    I don't think Orochimaru or Kabuto could read the Uchiha tablet, I think they just put a theory together about
    Uchiha/Senju / Rinnegan after examining the body... Or they could have resurrected an Uchiha before and ordered him to look over the tablet without giving him his conscious , but it might need a conscious for that to happen.
    After all the Uchiha who died during the massacre died with their eyes still intact. ^_^
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Untamed View Post
    I don't think Orochimaru or Kabuto could read the Uchiha tablet, I think they just put a theory together about
    Uchiha/Senju / Rinnegan after examining the body...
    Or they could have resurrected an Uchiha before and ordered him to look over the tablet without giving him his conscious , but it might need a conscious for that to happen.
    After all the Uchiha who died during the massacre died with their eyes still intact. ^_^
    Yes they didn't read it, they just tried to decipher it, read what Kabuto said when Madara was resurrected, it clearly indicates that, and you can't edo tensei a person without DNA, you know..
     
         

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    Excellent work.
     
         

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    Excellent work.
    Thanks, it's really nice feeling, to hear those words from you...
     
         

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    I would have repped you if it wasn't for one of your points. You say that Orochimaru found Madara' real body in Akatsuki's hideout "as we all know". To which Akatsuki hideout are you referring to? What makes you think that Madara's deathbed became the place where Akatsuki later made their hideout? Where are the proofs? Besides, as it has been stated, Akatsuki had many hideouts, what makes you think that Obito led them to where Madara's real body was and more importantly do you think that Obito would have left the corpse of an old man in the opened view just for the decor? Furthermore, let's say that Orochimaru did find Madara's body. What makes you think that if he had taken it, he wouldn't be able to do for himself the modifications which were necessary? He just had his hands on the legendary uchiha and instead of making it his first priority to revive him and conrol him to his full benefit, he just let him go for later to, let's say, a fridge?
     
         

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    Re: Orochimaru's real Intentions..

    Nic Theory ....Makes alot of sense .......
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byron123 View Post
    I would have repped you if it wasn't for one of your points. You say that Orochimaru found Madara' real body in Akatsuki's hideout "as we all know". To which Akatsuki hideout are you referring to? What makes you think that Madara's deathbed became the place where Akatsuki later made their hideout? Where are the proofs? Besides, as it has been stated, Akatsuki had many hideouts, what makes you think that Obito led them to where Madara's real body was and more importantly do you think that Obito would have left the corpse of an old man in the opened view just for the decor? Furthermore, let's say that Orochimaru did find Madara's body. What makes you think that if he had taken it, he wouldn't be able to do for himself the modifications which were necessary? He just had his hands on the legendary uchiha and instead of making it his first priority to revive him and conrol him to his full benefit, he just let him go for later to, let's say, a fridge?
    That was indeed a nice point, sir..
    1. Orochimaru found Madara's body in one of Uchiha hideouts, one of Uchiha hideouts, not the specific one, where he died.
    2. How Oro came to know about it, probably he accidentally came across it., I have no proofs its a speculation, since Madara died at that place, there is no other possible way Oro would have come across it.
    3. Why Obito leaved it for decor?? No, he didn't leave it for decor... He had some other plans in his mind, and if he could have let Madara's body fall in someone else's hands it could have been a big problem, but the problem here was that he didn't want to dispose it off, now why?? Answer is he wanted to resurrect Madara, as a last helping hand (if needed), but point to note here is using Edo tensei and not using Rinne Tensei, Obito wanted to use Madara's body, but unfortunately Oro was able to find it, before Obito...
    4. Oro found Madara's body, but there was one problem due to which he wasn't able to take over it, and that problem was that Madara's body wasn't in good condition, and Oro didn't want Uchiha body, but wanted healthy Uchiha body, but Madara was weak, which you can clearly see from Madara's condition..

    That's why Oro took Madara's corpse with him and fooled Obito...
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sachchidanand View Post
    That was indeed a nice point, sir..
    1. Orochimaru found Madara's body in one of Uchiha hideouts, one of Uchiha hideouts, not the specific one, where he died.
    2. How Oro came to know about it, probably he accidentally came across it., I have no proofs its a speculation, since Madara died at that place, there is no other possible way Oro would have come across it.
    3. Why Obito leaved it for decor?? No, he didn't leave it for decor... He had some other plans in his mind, and if he could have let Madara's body fall in someone else's hands it could have been a big problem, but the problem here was that he didn't want to dispose it off, now why?? Answer is he wanted to resurrect Madara, as a last helping hand (if needed), but point to note here is using Edo tensei and not using Rinne Tensei, Obito wanted to use Madara's body, but unfortunately Oro was able to find it, before Obito...
    4. Oro found Madara's body, but there was one problem due to which he wasn't able to take over it, and that problem was that Madara's body wasn't in good condition, and Oro didn't want Uchiha body, but wanted healthy Uchiha body, but Madara was weak, which you can clearly see from Madara's condition..

    That's why Oro took Madara's corpse with him and fooled Obito...
    Let's say ok for your first 2 points but for the other 2... If Obito really wanted to protect Madara to use him as you said, he wouldn't have left him like that. After all, he was the last pesron who saw him alive, he knew all too well where his corpse was and I highly doubt that his disappearance would have left him so calm instead of trying to retrieve it as fast as possible. We saw what happened when Madara was revived, Obito leaving his disappearance like that would contradict him since he didn't want under any circumstances for Madara to come back, at least not on someone's but himself's conditions.

    As for your forth point it doesn't have any relevance to what I previously said. I said that Orochimaru would want to him as an edo tensei, not necessarily take over his body. What I suggested is that if Kabuto was able to do the modifications which were required to bring Madara back in his prime, there is no chance in hell that Orochimaru would not be able to do it on his on and then revive him to control him in whatever way he feels like.
     
         
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    Well-stated and supported theory. Is it possible that Kabuto found Madara's body or its location during his time working as Sasori's spy? I have always believed that Orochimaru's goals to achieve knowledge and power regardless of cost would result in him being final villain. However, if he takes over Sasuke's body, thus leading to the Naruto/Sasuke battle, how will his defeat lead to ending the cycle of hate?
     
         

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    I can't say i agree wit this
     
         

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    Hmm. . . very interesting. . . . . . just one thing, sorry for saying this, but this sentence: "We all know that, one who recruited Akatsuki members was Obito, just like he invited Nagato to join Akatsuki." - is stupid.

    Why? How can Nagato be invited to join his own organisation?
     
         

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    This is actually the 2nd time youve impressed me with your thread, I remember the first time I was impressed by how it was formatted more so than what you were saying. People on here dont often use spoiler tags to make things look neat. But this is completely genius, very well done.

    WAIT A SECOND!

    Orochimaru wants to learn all Jutsu, Hiruzen was known as a genius because he mastered every jutsu within Konoha, which was his right as Hokage because the Hokage must know about every jutsu within Konoha and its weakness. Which explains why Orochimaru would have wanted to become Hokage, it makes his goal ALOT easier.

    But then he wasnt selected, and he went down this path to wanting to become the SO6P in order to either master all jutsu on his own or forcefully become the Hokage and thus learn all Jutsu within Konoha.

    But that didnt work out too well and now that Sasuke wants to become Hokage, he is going to sit back and let it happen and then when the time is right steal Sasuke's body. And since he will look just like Sasuke no one would notice that it was really Oro, and thus he kills 2 birds with 1 stone. He gets to become Hokage AND the SO6P... Well done.

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    Such an agreeable thread. I almost forget about Orochimaru's true goal, as I've come to think that all he wanted was to support Sasuke's change of heart from bad to good. You opened up theories why he would be the final villain & thus, he still possess pure evilness within him.

    I also like the thread pattern. It was written well & very organized. I like the idea of why he joined Roots, & Akatsuki, his real purpose of invading Konoha & his obsession with Sasuke's body.

    All in all, this is a good subject. Thanks' for sharing
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byron123 View Post
    Let's say ok for your first 2 points but for the other 2... If Obito really wanted to protect Madara to use him as you said, he wouldn't have left him like that. After all, he was the last pesron who saw him alive, he knew all too well where his corpse was and I highly doubt that his disappearance would have left him so calm instead of trying to retrieve it as fast as possible. We saw what happened when Madara was revived, Obito leaving his disappearance like that would contradict him since he didn't want under any circumstances for Madara to come back, at least not on someone's but himself's conditions.

    As for your forth point it doesn't have any relevance to what I previously said. I said that Orochimaru would want to him as an edo tensei, not necessarily take over his body. What I suggested is that if Kabuto was able to do the modifications which were required to bring Madara back in his prime, there is no chance in hell that Orochimaru would not be able to do it on his on and then revive him to control him in whatever way he feels like.
    Hmmm.. For Obito's plan I think I have to work on why he didn't try to retrieve Madara's body, and there is a possibility that Obito actually didn't know that Madara's body is with Kabuto, as you can clearly see surprised expression on Obito's face, when Kabuto came up with Madara's corpse...

    And yeah Oro wanted to use him as edo tensei, that's why he kept it with him, but why he never used it in Konoha attack or some other time?? Answer to this is, it was hard to control this 'great power' and there was a possibility that he would have broken edo tensei(same thing he did in case of Kabuto), something which Oro didn't want, that's why didn't use it, because his edo-tensei wasn't that much good...
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by UzumakiSama View Post
    Well-stated and supported theory. Is it possible that Kabuto found Madara's body or its location during his time working as Sasori's spy? I have always believed that Orochimaru's goals to achieve knowledge and power regardless of cost would result in him being final villain. However, if he takes over Sasuke's body, thus leading to the Naruto/Sasuke battle, how will his defeat lead to ending the cycle of hate?
    Yes, this is other possibility...
    And Sasuke has now started hating bijuus and thinks that to bring piece we need to get rid of bijuus, in short he had 'hatred' for bijuus, and there is a fair bit of possibility that many shinobis think similar way, so through this fight Naruto will find answer to this hatred towards bijuus(final hatred) and will end chain of hatred...
    Quote Originally Posted by IKSOKRIPS View Post
    Hmm. . . very interesting. . . . . . just one thing, sorry for saying this, but this sentence: "We all know that, one who recruited Akatsuki members was Obito, just like he invited Nagato to join Akatsuki." - is stupid.

    Why? How can Nagato be invited to join his own organisation?
    I am not good with words you know....
    Quote Originally Posted by FearxDeath View Post
    This is actually the 2nd time youve impressed me with your thread, I remember the first time I was impressed by how it was formatted more so than what you were saying. People on here dont often use spoiler tags to make things look neat. But this is completely genius, very well done.

    WAIT A SECOND!

    Orochimaru wants to learn all Jutsu, Hiruzen was known as a genius because he mastered every jutsu within Konoha, which was his right as Hokage because the Hokage must know about every jutsu within Konoha and its weakness. Which explains why Orochimaru would have wanted to become Hokage, it makes his goal ALOT easier.

    But then he wasnt selected, and he went down this path to wanting to become the SO6P in order to either master all jutsu on his own or forcefully become the Hokage and thus learn all Jutsu within Konoha.

    But that didnt work out too well and now that Sasuke wants to become Hokage, he is going to sit back and let it happen and then when the time is right steal Sasuke's body. And since he will look just like Sasuke no one would notice that it was really Oro, and thus he kills 2 birds with 1 stone. He gets to become Hokage AND the SO6P... Well done.

    Ill be sure to remember your avatar and name.
    Thank you,very much. it's glad to know that people want to remember me...
    Quote Originally Posted by The ProphecY View Post
    Such an agreeable thread. I almost forget about Orochimaru's true goal, as I've come to think that all he wanted was to support Sasuke's change of heart from bad to good. You opened up theories why he would be the final villain & thus, he still possess pure evilness within him.

    I also like the thread pattern. It was written well & very organized. I like the idea of why he joined Roots, & Akatsuki, his real purpose of invading Konoha & his obsession with Sasuke's body.

    All in all, this is a good subject. Thanks' for sharing
    It's OK, and thanks for your appreciation....
     
         

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    Re: Orochimaru's real Intentions..

    i love it, great job!! its sounds very plausible because at this point i have figured the only way for naruto vs sasuke to happen now would be if oro maybe took over sasukes body at some point or just manipulated him because its easy to do. they seem to be setting up naruto and sasuke to of course, parallel hashi and madara....so im thinking that sasuke and naruto will be both want to become hokage but have opposing ideas to stuff and eventually it will lead to a fight. Oro may or may not take the opportunity soon to try and take over sasuke, but it would make sense as a way for him to still accomplish his goals. he will support sasuke and some others will too and then the rest of naruto and his friends and some people will support narutos way.

    anyways great job! im just rambling now, but that really pieced together a few things if your right
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by OMGitsShakra View Post
    i love it, great job!! its sounds very plausible because at this point i have figured the only way for naruto vs sasuke to happen now would be if oro maybe took over sasukes body at some point or just manipulated him because its easy to do. they seem to be setting up naruto and sasuke to of course, parallel hashi and madara....so im thinking that sasuke and naruto will be both want to become hokage but have opposing ideas to stuff and eventually it will lead to a fight. Oro may or may not take the opportunity soon to try and take over sasuke, but it would make sense as a way for him to still accomplish his goals. he will support sasuke and some others will too and then the rest of naruto and his friends and some people will support narutos way.

    anyways great job! im just rambling now, but that really pieced together a few things if your right
    Thanks, and ya Naruto and Sasuke is going to happen and place will be valley of the end possibly, thanks though...
     
         

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    nice theory bro
    Keep it up!!
     
         

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    nice theory bro
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sachchidanand View Post
    Hmmm.. For Obito's plan I think I have to work on why he didn't try to retrieve Madara's body, and there is a possibility that Obito actually didn't know that Madara's body is with Kabuto, as you can clearly see surprised expression on Obito's face, when Kabuto came up with Madara's corpse...

    And yeah Oro wanted to use him as edo tensei, that's why he kept it with him, but why he never used it in Konoha attack or some other time?? Answer to this is, it was hard to control this 'great power' and there was a possibility that he would have broken edo tensei(same thing he did in case of Kabuto), something which Oro didn't want, that's why didn't use it, because his edo-tensei wasn't that much good...
    Hm I see, what you say about Orochimaru might be true. After alll we saw that in order to bring out someone's full potential you have to give his brain back as well. Kabuto may have underestimated that. OK you persuaded me, partly but you did
     
         

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