[Discussion] Team minato Tobi

[Dean-Winchester]

THIS THREAD IS SUPPOSE TO BE ABOUT KAMUI

K made a mistake

Kamui is the clue

By focusing his Mangekyō Sharingan on a particular point, Kakashi can force that point to collapse in on itself, ultimately sending everything in the vicinity to another dimension. Kamui costs a large amount of chakra to perform, especially in Kakashi's case, as his body has not completely adjusted to the Sharingan. Kakashi can only manage to use this technique up to three times in a given day, even when starting at full strength. When first seen, Kakashi's aim was imperfect, with it taking two attempts to hit Deidara with the technique. By the time of Pain's attack on Konoha, however, his aim had improved, being able to focus more accurately on fast-moving objects. The chakra used by this technique is proportional to the mass of the target. His improvement with the technique is also seen when he manages to warp away two arrows fired by Sasuke's Susanoo without immediately becoming fatigued, noting them to be too fast to dodge.

Kamui is the word for a divine being in Ainu mythology, although it is almost never written with kanji in modern times. In a more general Japanese context, Kamui refers to the might and majesty of the gods, particularly the Shintō Kami. edit Trivia Kakashi's Kamui bears some resemblance to Madara Uchiha's teleporting technique as Madara's appearance when he is warping between different dimensions is just like the appearance of Kamui. It is unknown if the two techniques are related, however. According to the Third Databook, "If one spends a lot of time and trains one's chakra over and over again, this technique can be invoked." This might hint that other Mangekyō users can access the technique, but this is not confirmed

Let look @ the fact that tobi did not want kakashi to die right there
he would ve

KAmui is TObis power ITs so obvious some pple are in denial

i know he is coming with this bullshit excuse shodaime weakened him and this is a shell
but come on the only reason pain didnt get him was because of kamui

Like if u have ems
then u should b able to do amaretsu and Get danzo eyes
TOBI has the other Half to kamui









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Truhfully tobi takes kakashi eye

kakashi will have normal chakra
and probally even obtain the white fang chakra BUt tobi will trully b unstoppable

[Orochimaru the Snake]

why is tobi in the title your post did not even mention Madara

[ArizonaMan11]

u should change ur name to wikipedia since u just spout random knowledge all over

[Dean-Winchester]

u should change ur name to wikipedia since u just spout random knowledge all over

& u should continue to suck dat **** u ahve been sucking okay good

[Dean-Winchester]

why is tobi in the title your post did not even mention Madara

i made the wrong title my bad i meant to discuss
Kamui only

[ArizonaMan11]

& u should continue to suck dat **** u ahve been sucking okay good

well thats un called for:confused:

[Dean-Winchester]

well thats un called for:confused:

sorry had a bad week

[kisamexRocks]

Madara doesn't have Kamui ability. Each MS technique is unique to each Uchiha or Sharingan user.
Minato was able to do just what Madara is doing right now, but at a much lower lower level. Madara had time to perfect this Space time technique and put it on whole new levels, which doesn't mean that he has a sharingan and an eye technique that's just like Kakashi's.

EMS doesn't mean your going to be able to get Amaterasu and Susanoo. If this is the case then wouldn't you think Madara would have beaten Hashirama in the valley of the end? It just doesn't work like that.

[Qcks]

I think it's possible that Tobi is using a variant of Kamui, but, I don't think that it necessarily links Tobi to Kekkashi, or gives Tobi any control over how Kekkashi uses it. If Tobi has a more advanced version of Kamui, gained through training his own eye, it makes sense that he could use his sharingan to counter Kekkashi.

If Tobi is Obito, or an amalgum of people that happens to include some choice fleshy bits of Obito, it's equally as likely that the teleportation technique that Tobi is using is the Flying Thunder God Technique, rather then something related specifically to his sharingan. Obito did train under Minato, so the secrets of the Flying Thunder God Technique aren't exactly unknown.

[Dean-Winchester]

Madara doesn't have Kamui ability. Each MS technique is unique to each Uchiha or Sharingan user.
Minato was able to do just what Madara is doing right now, but at a much lower lower level. Madara had time to perfect this Space time technique and put it on whole new levels, which doesn't mean that he has a sharingan and an eye technique that's just like Kakashi's.

EMS doesn't mean your going to be able to get Amaterasu and Susanoo. If this is the case then wouldn't you think Madara would have beaten Hashirama in the valley of the end? It just doesn't work like that.

ok true

but i just dont know 1st hokage didnt even show his real power when he was summond
2nd hokage i noticed he could control water just like garaa in the anime


but lets look & this
1st hokage
had the abiilty to use wood release
we saw what danzo did to sussano arrow
but danzo and yamato cant use the full extent of wood release the way the 1st did


1st hokage whole soure of power is the earth its self
that his power branching trees
also he had 7 swords or more
no relation to the 7 swords mist swords


madra had
Ems and the kkyubi

[Dean-Winchester]

I think it's possible that Tobi is using a variant of Kamui, but, I don't think that it necessarily links Tobi to Kekkashi, or gives Tobi any control over how Kekkashi uses it. If Tobi has a more advanced version of Kamui, gained through training his own eye, it makes sense that he could use his sharingan to counter Kekkashi.

If Tobi is Obito, or an amalgum of people that happens to include some choice fleshy bits of Obito, it's equally as likely that the teleportation technique that Tobi is using is the Flying Thunder God Technique, rather then something related specifically to his sharingan. Obito did train under Minato, so the secrets of the Flying Thunder God Technique aren't exactly unknown.

u make a great point also

[Qcks]

Also.. something to mention...

The first Shodai had his Wood Release Jutsu, but he also had 7 other tailed beasts under his influence.
So.. The fight with Madara was more like this:

Madara (EMS) + Kyuubi VS Shodai + Tailed beast + Tailed Beast + Tailed Beast + Tailed Beast + Tailed Beast + Tailed Beast + Tailed Beast + Shodai (Wood Release).

The Kyuubi and the EMS are very strong techniques, but I don't think that they're necessarily more powerful then several bijuu combined. It's not specifically mentioned whether the other bijuu were present at the time the Shodai and Madara fought.

[Dean-Winchester]

Also.. something to mention...

The first Shodai had his Wood Release Jutsu, but he also had 7 other tailed beasts under his influence.
So.. The fight with Madara was more like this:

Madara (EMS) + Kyuubi VS Shodai + Tailed beast + Tailed Beast + Tailed Beast + Tailed Beast + Tailed Beast + Tailed Beast + Tailed Beast + Shodai (Wood Release).

The Kyuubi and the EMS are very strong techniques, but I don't think that they're necessarily more powerful then several bijuu combined. It's not specifically mentioned whether the other bijuu were present at the time the Shodai and Madara fought.

well

madara seems to have died right there

[GaaratheFifth]

Few things to say here:
I just noticed that when Madara is fighting Danzo's guards, he melds with the ground, like Zetsu. Entering and exiting through the ground is not the same thing as extra-dimensional teleportation.

That said, maybe there is some way that Madara is casting Kamui on himself when he does teleport? Maybe his hidden eye is implanted backwards so that he can achieve this.

[veggetta13]

Can't anyone accept the possiblity Madara and Kakashi have the same abilities. I mean dont be such wierdos' guys. It is the same freking techinque. I mean when Madar took out the insect clan guy it seemed pretty much like the same jutsu used on Deidara. Gush, you guard Uchichas as Gods and the holy bible.. hahahah!, u should take better care of yourselves or your minds.

[konoha s beautiful beast]

Can't anyone accept the possiblity Madara and Kakashi have the same abilities. I mean dont be such wierdos' guys. It is the same freking techinque. I mean when Madar took out the insect clan guy it seemed pretty much like the same jutsu used on Deidara. Gush, you guard Uchichas as Gods and the holy bible.. hahahah!, u should take better care of yourselves or your minds.

yeah, I agree with you. it is obvious that those 2 teqniques are the same. I wonder why ppl try to provide arguments against it. it is as clear as 2x2=4

and one more thing. Madara controlled the kuubi till the very moment when it was sealed in Naruto. I am sure that Madara was the one who made the 9 tails atack konoha. And this is why I think so.
If you remember, Minato appeared very late, After lots of ppl dying and part of the village destroying. Where do you think he was? He could not have have been gone out of the village as KAGE's are not allowed to leave village, not to leave it unprotected. It's the number one rule. So what took him so long to get to the battle area?? MADARA! He made kuubi attack village form one side, he attacked from another. I guess Minato was fighting him one on one and made him escape once more (or even killed...it depends on weather Tobi is telling the truth or not)

[Dean-Winchester]

yeah, I agree with you. it is obvious that those 2 teqniques are the same. I wonder why ppl try to provide arguments against it. it is as clear as 2x2=4

and one more thing. Madara controlled the kuubi till the very moment when it was sealed in Naruto. I am sure that Madara was the one who made the 9 tails atack konoha. And this is why I think so.
If you remember, Minato appeared very late, After lots of ppl dying and part of the village destroying. Where do you think he was? He could not have have been gone out of the village as KAGE's are not allowed to leave village, not to leave it unprotected. It's the number one rule. So what took him so long to get to the battle area?? MADARA! He made kuubi attack village form one side, he attacked from another. I guess Minato was fighting him one on one and made him escape once more (or even killed...it depends on weather Tobi is telling the truth or not)

I am sticking with this

also
WHAt if tobi got a sharigan had knowldge of everything & turned out to be this
guy
who looks like gin

[niblack89]

Tobi does have kamui. He just uses it a different way than Kakashi. Tobi sucks things into his eye but Kakashi sucks things away from the eye. The ghost thing is still a mystery to me every time Tobi goes some where you see the vortex coming from the eye but the phasing part there is no vortex.

Also doesn't seem like his space time is a fast as Minato's. Seems like Tobi has to jump from his dimensions to the opponent

[Dean-Winchester]

Tobi does have kamui. He just uses it a different way than Kakashi. Tobi sucks things into his eye but Kakashi sucks things away from the eye. The ghost thing is still a mystery to me every time Tobi goes some where you see the vortex coming from the eye but the phasing part there is no vortex.

Also doesn't seem like his space time is a fast as Minato's. Seems like Tobi has to jump from his dimensions to the opponent

do u think tobi also has the abilty to use his space tim jutsu to
to collect a chakra blast and send it back to his oppnents