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    Analyzing The Minconception Of Sasuke's Statement About Susanoo

    Apparently people think Susanoo doesn't need Amatersu and Tsukuyomi because of what Sasuke said:


    I think people should analyze the scan carefully and try to come up with the correct conclusion. The scan i posted is a VIZ of course so there should be no mistake since VIZ is the most accurate translation you will ever find.

    Sasuke of course says that only people who have awakened 2 MS (Mangekyou Sharingan) can achieve the 3rd power which is Susanoo.

    Now to analyze it carefully, we need to look at the words and read them more than once, then we have to pick the key words. What are the Key words in Sasuke's statement:

    1- 2 MS in both eyes
    2- Third Power

    This is the biggest mistake people make when it comes to this, they tend to take 1 words and forget about the others which leads to this misunderstanding. But i guess its about time a solve this misconception once and for all.

    Notes: Every MS user has a different power but right now, we're talking about Susanoo.

    Susanoo has stated to be the 3rd power of the Mangekyou Sharingan by Sasuke and Itachi's statement as well as the DataBook. Okay so if Susanoo is the 3rd power then that means there must be 2 powers for you to awaken in order to access to the 3rd power which is susnaoo. So what are the 2 powers you have to awaken in order to achieve susanoo? Tsukuyomi and Amatersu.

    3rd Power = Susanoo > 2 Powers Must Be Achieved In Order To Access To The 3rd Power > MS In Both Eyes > Tsukuyomi + Amatersu.

    That is what Sasuke has really meant in that statement. It is basic logic that if you have 3rd power then that means, you must have achieved 2 so you can use the 3rd one.

    Now people are gonna ask me, how i knew that amatersu and tsukuyomi needed for susanoo. Well thanks to Itachi and the DataBook explainning that Susanoo = Amatersu + Tsukuyomi:






    ^^ there. Manga proof and Databook (which is written by kishi) have said it and with the help of Sasuke's statement that i have analyzed just right now is now 100% that susanoo does indeed require tsukuyomi and amatersu.

    Before people go, sasuke hasn't used tsukuyomi, well he has against Killer Bee. Madara already has 1 for the eye moon plan which requires tsukuyomi and he has amatersu to use susanoo.

    i hope everything is clear now

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    Re: Analyzing The Minconception Of Sasuke's Statement About Susanoo

    Madara really needs to use amaterasu to prove this thread is correct then.
     
         

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    Re: Analyzing The Minconception Of Sasuke's Statement About Susanoo

    Quote Originally Posted by Zuru View Post
    Madara really needs to use amaterasu to prove this thread is correct then.
    he is already OP enough. he doesn't need it.
     
         

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    Re: Analyzing The Minconception Of Sasuke's Statement About Susanoo

    I agree about the requirements, but i don't feel like this is any new evidence.
     
         

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    Re: Analyzing The Minconception Of Sasuke's Statement About Susanoo

    Quote Originally Posted by Madara Rules View Post
    he is already OP enough. he doesn't need it.
    You have a very valid point. Madara using amaterasu would just be overkill.
     
         

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    Re: Analyzing The Minconception Of Sasuke's Statement About Susanoo

    First of all databook has been proven several times to be wrong.

    Second of all. Itachi's statement could only be refering to himself.

    Thirdly sasuke has displayed 3 MS powers. Amaterasu, kagutsuchi and susanoo. Unless you are saying sasuke has 4 MS powers.
     
         

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    Re: Analyzing The Minconception Of Sasuke's Statement About Susanoo

    Quote Originally Posted by Necromancer4276 View Post
    I agree about the requirements, but i don't feel like this is any new evidence.
    its just to make understand what Sasuke meant because it is from that misconception that people think susanoo doesn't need amatersu and tsukuyomi.
     
         

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    Re: Analyzing The Minconception Of Sasuke's Statement About Susanoo

    To prove this Maddy needs to use Amaterasu.

    I agree with you though. It's kind of like how you need water style and earth style to use wood style
     
         

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    Re: Analyzing The Minconception Of Sasuke's Statement About Susanoo

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerkak View Post
    First of all databook has been proven several times to be wrong.

    Second of all. Itachi's statement could only be refering to himself.

    Thirdly sasuke has displayed 3 MS powers. Amaterasu, kagutsuchi and susanoo. Unless you are saying sasuke has 4 MS powers.
    Databook hasn't been proven wrong in that aspect, so it stays true as it is.

    no he said he achieved it after amatersu and tsukuyomi which is not about himself and we have sasuke's statement.

    enton isn't MS power. its to control amatersu nothing more.
     
         

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    Re: Analyzing The Minconception Of Sasuke's Statement About Susanoo

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerkak View Post
    First of all databook has been proven several times to be wrong.

    Second of all. Itachi's statement could only be refering to himself.

    Thirdly sasuke has displayed 3 MS powers. Amaterasu, kagutsuchi and susanoo. Unless you are saying sasuke has 4 MS powers.
    Quote Originally Posted by Madara Rules View Post
    its just to make understand what Sasuke meant because it is from that misconception that people think susanoo doesn't need amatersu and tsukuyomi.
    Enton is to Tsukuyomi as Amaterasu is to Sharingan Genjutsu.

    Each brother excels at one and thus "upgrades" it to the next form. The only difference is that Amaterasu has a special name while Sharingan Genjutsu does not.

    Both brothers are able to use both Enton and Tsukuyomi, but are not as proficient in it as the other and thus doesn't refer to it as such.
     
         

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    Re: Analyzing The Minconception Of Sasuke's Statement About Susanoo

    Quote Originally Posted by Necromancer4276 View Post
    Enton is to Tsukuyomi as Amaterasu is to Sharingan Genjutsu.

    Each brother excels at one and thus "upgrades" it to the next form. The only difference is that Amaterasu has a special name while Sharingan Genjutsu does not.

    Both brothers are able to use both Enton and Tsukuyomi, but are not as proficient in it as the other and thus doesn't refer to it as such.
    enton is amatersu jutsu. nothing has said its MS power. its to control the shapes of amatersu.

    sasuke has already used tsukuyomi on killer bee.
     
         

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    Re: Analyzing The Minconception Of Sasuke's Statement About Susanoo

    But what itachi says is that it was the third jutus that awaken after thoughts two it never said need them besides data book also says susanoo has yata shield so is that a proof using data book
     
         

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    Re: Analyzing The Minconception Of Sasuke's Statement About Susanoo

    Quote Originally Posted by Madara Rules View Post
    Databook hasn't been proven wrong in that aspect, so it stays true as it is.

    no he said he achieved it after amatersu and tsukuyomi which is not about himself and we have sasuke's statement.

    enton isn't MS power. its to control amatersu nothing more.
    Then why does he use a specific eye for enton. The right eye.

    Sasuke himself has never said he had tsukuyomi nor has he used tsukuyomi(debatable)
     
         

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    Re: Analyzing The Minconception Of Sasuke's Statement About Susanoo

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerkak View Post
    First of all databook has been proven several times to be wrong.

    Second of all. Itachi's statement could only be refering to himself.

    Thirdly sasuke has displayed 3 MS powers. Amaterasu, kagutsuchi and susanoo. Unless you are saying sasuke has 4 MS powers.
    Kagutsuchi has been explained by several ninja to be his control over Amaterasu. They count as one ms ability.

    Itachi was depicted as the better genjutsu/tsukuyomi user.

    Finally, Sasuke used Tsukuyomi against Danzo. Danzo said, "It was inferior to Itachi's due to the inability to alter a victim's outlook on time."
     
         

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    Re: Analyzing The Minconception Of Sasuke's Statement About Susanoo

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerkak View Post
    Then why does he use a specific eye for enton. The right eye.

    Sasuke himself has never said he had tsukuyomi nor has he used tsukuyomi(debatable)
    Sasuke uses the eye to control the shapes of it not to use itself.http://i8.mangapanda.com/naruto/464/naruto-783137.jpg

    Sasuke has clearly used tsukuyomi on bee. why would he activate MS for all of the trouble just for a genjutsu? no to use tsukuyomi. Not to mention Danzo has confirmed that sasuke has it.
     
         

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    Re: Analyzing The Minconception Of Sasuke's Statement About Susanoo

    Quote Originally Posted by Necromancer4276 View Post
    Enton is to Tsukuyomi as Amaterasu is to Sharingan Genjutsu.

    Each brother excels at one and thus "upgrades" it to the next form. The only difference is that Amaterasu has a special name while Sharingan Genjutsu does not.

    Both brothers are able to use both Enton and Tsukuyomi, but are not as proficient in it as the other and thus doesn't refer to it as such.
    I thought Sharingan Genjutsu was used by Obito and Kakashi? Not saying you're wrong or that I'm right, but I'm confused.

    It would make sense though.
     
         

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    Re: Analyzing The Minconception Of Sasuke's Statement About Susanoo

    Im also fond of madara
     
         

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    Re: Analyzing The Minconception Of Sasuke's Statement About Susanoo

    Quote Originally Posted by Amaterasuice View Post
    Kagutsuchi has been explained by several ninja to be his control over Amaterasu. They count as one ms ability.

    Itachi was depicted as the better genjutsu/tsukuyomi user.

    Finally, Sasuke used Tsukuyomi against Danzo. Danzo said, "It was inferior to Itachi's due to the inability to alter a victim's outlook on time."
    Not that I am saying i am 100% correct but. Tsukuyomi's only differs from sharingan genjutsu by its ability to control the victims perception of time. As long as the genjutsu does not do that it is not tsukuyomi. Otherwise you might as well say kakashi and obito have tsukuyomi

    Kagutsuchi is used with a specifc eye every time. the same cannot be said for sasuke's supposed tsukuyomi.

    Danzo's statement is debatable because what obito says does not support it. Obito just called it a genjutsu.
     
         

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    Re: Analyzing The Minconception Of Sasuke's Statement About Susanoo

    i will reply to you all tomoz but now i have work so bye
     
         

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    Re: Analyzing The Minconception Of Sasuke's Statement About Susanoo

    Quote Originally Posted by Madara Rules View Post
    Sasuke uses the eye to control the shapes of it not to use itself.http://i8.mangapanda.com/naruto/464/naruto-783137.jpg

    Sasuke has clearly used tsukuyomi on bee. why would he activate MS for all of the trouble just for a genjutsu? no to use tsukuyomi. Not to mention Danzo has confirmed that sasuke has it.
    Another translation says otherwise.


    Sasuke used MS to strengthen the genjutsu. Obito proves it during the kage summit he said he would reflect his MS on the moon to cast his genjutsu. Why use MS? Why not ordinary 3 tomo since we know obito has no special MS genjutsu
     
         

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    Re: Analyzing The Minconception Of Sasuke's Statement About Susanoo

    Quote Originally Posted by Zuru View Post
    Madara really needs to use amaterasu to prove this thread is correct then.
    Idk what to think anymore. But people are idiots. They say Madaraq doesn't have amaterasu just cause he didn't use it. If Madara used two different MS tech's then I can understand their arguement but he hasn't used shit yet and they're already jumping to conclusions. So just cause he hasn't used amaterastu, means he don't have it? He hasn't used any techniques yet does that mean he doesn't have any MS tech's? NO

    OP- Sasuke doesn't have tsukiyomi he has amaterastu and enton. Enton manipulates amaterastu. And don't say they're the same thing cause if they were Itachi(who had Amaterastu for years while sasuke had it only for a little while) would be able to use it.
     
         

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    Re: Analyzing The Minconception Of Sasuke's Statement About Susanoo

    interesting...

     
         

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    Re: Analyzing The Minconception Of Sasuke's Statement About Susanoo

    Quote Originally Posted by Madara Rules View Post
    Sasuke uses the eye to control the shapes of it not to use itself.http://i8.mangapanda.com/naruto/464/naruto-783137.jpg

    Sasuke has clearly used tsukuyomi on bee. why would he activate MS for all of the trouble just for a genjutsu? no to use tsukuyomi. Not to mention Danzo has confirmed that sasuke has it.
    Madara used it on Raikage...
     
         

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    Re: Analyzing The Minconception Of Sasuke's Statement About Susanoo

    I believe madara has Amaterasu too
     
         

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    Re: Analyzing The Minconception Of Sasuke's Statement About Susanoo

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerkak View Post
    Another translation says otherwise.


    Sasuke used MS to strengthen the genjutsu. Obito proves it during the kage summit he said he would reflect his MS on the moon to cast his genjutsu. Why use MS? Why not ordinary 3 tomo since we know obito has no special MS genjutsu
    there is no proof that MS strengthen a sharingan genjutsu. only tsukuyomi has shown to be the highest MS genjutsu besides KA. Danzo has clearly confirmed that Sasuke does have tsukuyomi but its much weaker to Itachi's.
     
         

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