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    Re: Orochimaru is the final villain

    @Draphsin no need of trolling Oro fans Kishi already trolled the life out of them
    you're about to become more evil than haters
    shat on character is shat on and delusional fanboys are delusional...
    let them dream, let them hope
     
         

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    Oro's speech on how people (implying himself) change. Oro is good now
    Oro good ?
     
         

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    Re: Orochimaru is the final villain

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    What about wait and watch then take over Juubi or 'Juubiception'??
    What's the use of Oro if he was only revived for 'Edo tensei'??
    Nah, taking over the juubi is a stretch, does he even have the proper sealing jutsu? Imo its pretty much wishful thinking, especially considering he has no interest in the war (= no interest in the juubi).

    In Naruto each and every villain has his 'ideology', Nagato's ideology was to bring peace, Naruto was able to TNJ Nagato because Naruto was able to find that 'answer', Orochimaru's motives were totally different 'he wanted to learn all Jutsus', 'He wanted immortality', all of them are self-centered, it is really difficult to TNJ him..
    True, his ideals are different. But he changed, his personality has changed & he has a different vibe to him. Do you remember how sinister he acted during part 1? making kakashi sh*t his pants & everything. But now he's almost being carefree, acting like a true ally to tsunade & not because he has to but because he wants to help her.

    And talking about this tear in Orochimaru's eye, this is expected since Hiruzen was the one who taught him everything, so it was difficult for him to kill Hiruzen..
    Nagato remorselessly killed jiraiya, Obito remorselessly terrorized minato & kushina. As I said oro is the only villain who has shed a tear from committing such an evil act (unless you count Itachi, but imho his position was different). Other villains do not feel the remorse that oro felt, in a true FV's position, they would relish in the idea that they are powerful enough to take on the entire leaf village, oro feels something, whether it be guilt or remorse the fact is he had some form sadness after what he's done. Conditioned villains do not feel that.

    Ya but he need power-up, who will give him that??(please don't say he will get Rinnegan, in just few chapters)
    Madara and Obito simply don't care about Sasuke, so Oro must be there to again power-up Sasuke, otherwise Naruto vs Sasuke is of no use...
    No no no, dont get me wrong. I am a strong advocate against anyone else obtaining the rinnegan. Neither naruto nor sasuke will obtain it. However sasuke may develop his EMS further into a form of PS (Enton PS?), we dont even know the extent of his current powers. Don't expect sasuke to give up just because naruto is stronger.

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    Oro good ?
    Yeah, he's a good boy now
     
         

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    Nah, taking over the juubi is a stretch, does he even have the proper sealing jutsu? Imo its pretty much wishful thinking, especially considering he has no interest in the war (= no interest in the juubi).



    True, his ideals are different. But he changed, his personality has changed & he has a different vibe to him. Do you remember how sinister he acted during part 1? making kakashi sh*t his pants & everything. But now he's almost being carefree, acting like a true ally to tsunade & not because he has to but because he wants to help her.



    Nagato remorselessly killed jiraiya, Obito remorselessly terrorized minato & kushina. As I said oro is the only villain who has shed a tear from committing such an evil act (unless you count Itachi, but imho his position was different). Other villains do not feel the remorse that oro felt, in a true FV's position, they would relish in the idea that they are powerful enough to take on the entire leaf village, oro feels something, whether it be guilt or remorse the fact is he had some form sadness after what he's done. Conditioned villains do not feel that.



    No no no, dont get me wrong. I am a strong advocate against anyone else obtaining the rinnegan. Neither naruto nor sasuke will obtain it. However sasuke may develop his EMS further into a form of PS (Enton PS?), we dont even know the extent of his current powers. Don't expect sasuke to give up just because naruto is stronger.



    Yeah, he's a good boy now
    It can give but series will not end with Obito being final villain : P he is a pedophile ... Tobi was better and greater than him
     
         

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    the Grim Reaper is the Final Villain, he will reap everyone's souls
     
         

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    Re: Orochimaru is the final villain

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    It can give but series will not end with Obito being final villain : P he is a pedophile ...


    Just STFU. Really.
     
         

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    It can give but series will not end with Obito being final villain : P he is a pedophile ... Tobi was better and greater than him
    Tobi = Obito

    Obito isnt a pedophile, rin is the same age as him, & when has obito ever shown a sexual interest in her anyways?
     
         

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    Tobi = Obito

    Obito isnt a pedophile, rin is the same age as him, & when has obito ever shown a sexual interest in her anyways?
    He mentioned about she all the time so far ... Obito's fans will show Chapter 629 in which he says his real reasons ... but he spoke and after go: Rin, Rin and Rin again ,Tobi was better than him ,he was mysterious and complex ,but Obito ... now Madara ,Orochimaru and Juubi was better to become final villain than he ...
    Tobi's character was ruined once with his mask for me ..
     
         
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    He mentioned about she all the time so far ... Obito's fans will show Chapter 629 in which he says his real reasons ... but he spoke and after go: Rin, Rin and Rin again, Tobi was better than him ,he mysterious and complex ,but Obito ... now Madara ,Orochimaru and Juubi was better to become final villain than he ...
    Tobi's character was ruined once with his mask for me
    1. You gotta fix your grammar, barely understandable...

    2. You know why obito is mentioning rin? because we finally know who he is, now is the most appropriate time for obito to speak about rin, do you want him to start mentioning rin as tobi? of course not..

    3. Of course tobi was more mysterious & complex, we didnt even know his identity for pete's sake. & btw what does that change anyways? He is still the same obito who apparently only talks about rin rin rin. Nothing about his character has changed other than his identity. Tobi's appeal comes from his identity, once that was revealed then the hype died & those who were never fans to begin with decided to abandon his character. You sound like one of them, in fact.
     
         

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    1. You gotta fix your grammar, barely understandable...

    2. You know why obito is mentioning rin? because we finally know who he is, now is the most appropriate time for obito to speak about rin, do you want him to start mentioning rin as tobi? of course not..

    3. Of course tobi was more mysterious & complex, we didnt even know his identity for pete's sake. & btw what does that change anyways? He is still the same obito who apparently only talks about rin rin rin. Nothing about his character has changed other than his identity. Tobi's appeal comes from his identity, once that was revealed then the hype died & those who were never fans to begin with decided to abandon his character. You sound like one of them, in fact.
    Sorry for my grammar, but i am the other nation :D but I do not I will change my opinion about Obito
     
         

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    Re: Orochimaru is the final villain

    no. Orchimaru is now a good guy. Madara will be the final villian.
     
         

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    Re: Orochimaru is the final villain

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    no. Orchimaru is now a good guy. Madara will be the final villian.
    nope it's Uchiha ****in Obito
     
         

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    Re: Orochimaru is the final villain

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    nope it's Uchiha ****in Obito
    First Obito is already the biggest threat in the battlefield right now, so he is gonna be beaten first. Second, Madara is the creator of the eye moon plan so he is gonna be the juubi jinch and the final villian.
     
         

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    Re: Orochimaru is the final villain

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    Nah, taking over the juubi is a stretch, does he even have the proper sealing jutsu? Imo its pretty much wishful thinking, especially considering he has no interest in the war (= no interest in the juubi).
    This statement of Oro is out of my understanding, I mean he says I have no interest in war, but still helps Sasuke and Alliance??
    Oro is one of those guys whose statements aren't that much credible...

    True, his ideals are different. But he changed, his personality has changed & he has a different vibe to him. Do you remember how sinister he acted during part 1? making kakashi sh*t his pants & everything. But now he's almost being carefree, acting like a true ally to tsunade & not because he has to but because he wants to help her.
    He isn't changed, he 'had to' change, and the reason is that he isn't powerful enough(he admitted it, but we can't say Oro's statement are credible, but he never tried to take over Sasuke's body after reincarnation is a proof of that), he wants to gain power now..Because from Hiruzen fight till now, Oro was behind power, so to say he will seat back and just see Sasuke developing, isn't good character development..People will change, but in Naruto you have to TNJ them to change, and since Oro's ideology is 'power', I doubt he will change this much easily...

    Nagato remorselessly killed jiraiya, Obito remorselessly terrorized minato & kushina. As I said oro is the only villain who has shed a tear from committing such an evil act (unless you count Itachi, but imho his position was different). Other villains do not feel the remorse that oro felt, in a true FV's position, they would relish in the idea that they are powerful enough to take on the entire leaf village, oro feels something, whether it be guilt or remorse the fact is he had some form sadness after what he's done. Conditioned villains do not feel that.
    Nagato didn't kill Jiraiya, 'Pain' killed him, and talking about Obito and Pain, this guys and their ideologies aren't bounded by what we call feelings and all..Oro had feelings, especially for Hiruzen, unlike this two that's why he wasn't able to kill Hiruzen remorselessly, and I give you for that, but then again it doesn't change the fact that 'he killed Hiruzen', so he overcame that 'phase'..

    No no no, dont get me wrong. I am a strong advocate against anyone else obtaining the rinnegan. Neither naruto nor sasuke will obtain it. However sasuke may develop his EMS further into a form of PS (Enton PS?), we dont even know the extent of his current powers. Don't expect sasuke to give up just because naruto is stronger.
    I heard many people saying that since Naruto had now got KSM, he can beat PS Madara(which is still debatable), but Naruto is going to get powerful(probably will get other half of kyuubi, after Minato's death), what will Sasuke will get to counter that??PS isn't enough to counter Perfect Kyuubi sage mode, it will create a load of difference..
    And if you referred my theory, you will come to know Oro had gone through a lot to gain senju DNA and Madara Uchiha's body, I highly doubt how Hashirama's TNJ can change him that much easily??
    But again it is theory, but who knows what is in Kishi's mind??
     
         

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    Re: Orochimaru is the final villain

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    This statement of Oro is out of my understanding, I mean he says I have no interest in war, but still helps Sasuke and Alliance??
    Oro is one of those guys whose statements aren't that much credible...


    He isn't changed, he 'had to' change, and the reason is that he isn't powerful enough(he admitted it, but we can't say Oro's statement are credible, but he never tried to take over Sasuke's body after reincarnation is a proof of that), he wants to gain power now..Because from Hiruzen fight till now, Oro was behind power, so to say he will seat back and just see Sasuke developing, isn't good character development..People will change, but in Naruto you have to TNJ them to change, and since Oro's ideology is 'power', I doubt he will change this much easily...


    Nagato didn't kill Jiraiya, 'Pain' killed him, and talking about Obito and Pain, this guys and their ideologies aren't bounded by what we call feelings and all..Oro had feelings, especially for Hiruzen, unlike this two that's why he wasn't able to kill Hiruzen remorselessly, and I give you for that, but then again it doesn't change the fact that 'he killed Hiruzen', so he overcame that 'phase'..


    I heard many people saying that since Naruto had now got KSM, he can beat PS Madara(which is still debatable), but Naruto is going to get powerful(probably will get other half of kyuubi, after Minato's death), what will Sasuke will get to counter that??PS isn't enough to counter Perfect Kyuubi sage mode, it will create a load of difference..
    And if you referred my theory, you will come to know Oro had gone through a lot to gain senju DNA and Madara Uchiha's body, I highly doubt how Hashirama's TNJ can change him that much easily??
    But again it is theory, but who knows what is in Kishi's mind??
    Alright, well i guess we can agree to disagree, because this debate can go on forever, its just a matter of opinion & at this point imo oro isnt making a comeback as a villain.
     
         

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    Re: Orochimaru is the final villain

    Quote Originally Posted by Draphsin View Post
    Alright, well i guess we can agree to disagree, because this debate can go on forever, its just a matter of opinion & at this point imo oro isnt making a comeback as a villain.
    Well lets see...
     
         

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