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    Tsukiyomi vs all bijuu users

    I would like to point out something important. It is not true that jinjuriki are immune to genjutsu. If i recall properly, wasn't yagura who was a perfect jinjuriki put under a genjutsu? Also, bee was put under itachis normal genjutsu for about 5 second before hachibi broke it.

    Now going by manga logic and fact, it would be safe to say that Tsukiyomi can be effective against any bijuu user since it is instant in real world time. Therefore, Tsukiyomi simply takes place too fast for any bijuu to take action and break it.

    I know one person who will come up with complete BS such as the jinjuriki have the same conscious as their bijuu, but that is completely false. The manga clearly shows that a user has to willingly enter the subconscious between the bijuu and himself. But the jinjuriki cannot do that while his own chakra is under control by itachis tsukiyomi, especially since it takes place instantly.

    Also, when bee was under itachis genjutsu, the hachibi was not under it at the same time, so you can safely throw that claim out of here.
     
         

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    Re: Tsukiyomi vs all bijuu users

    they can get out of regular genjutsu but itachi's tsukuyomi.....nah wont happen....and yes there are plenty people who say otherwise lol
     
         

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    Re: Tsukiyomi vs all bijuu users

    Quote Originally Posted by itachi4real View Post
    they can get out of regular genjutsu but itachi's tsukuyomi.....nah wont happen....and yes there are plenty people who say otherwise lol
    Some people simply dont realize how hax this technique is.
     
         

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    Re: Tsukiyomi vs all bijuu users

    Quote Originally Posted by Helikido View Post
    Some people simply dont realize how hax this technique is.
    most people are gonna say jins can get out but have no proof what so ever...itachi is a boss and they need to accept it
     
         

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    Re: Tsukiyomi vs all bijuu users

    Can we have Itachi Solos and Itachi the Solo King in here too? Two claims are half-decent, but four is exceptional.
     
         

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    Re: Tsukiyomi vs all bijuu users

    Quote Originally Posted by FreakensteinAG View Post
    Can we have Itachi Solos and Itachi the Solo King in here too? Two claims are half-decent, but four is exceptional.
    The logical fact should be enough though? It's instant for gods sake.
     
         

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    Re: Tsukiyomi vs all bijuu users

    this thread is the best 'Love fest' I have seen in a while.
     
         

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    Re: Tsukiyomi vs all bijuu users

    TsukUyomi.

    OT: Sure.
     
         

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    Re: Tsukiyomi vs all bijuu users

    Well my theory of the genjutsu with Yagura is that Yagura was not truly a perfect jinchuuriki. I think because most people did not know that the 3rd Mizukage was under control by genjutsu, only a few people suspected it. If Obito really had Yagura under control, couldn't he make Yagura transform at will, like what he did when he had the other jinchuuriki under his will? Yagura didn't seem like he was on buddy-buddy terms like Killer Bee and Hachibi were like perfect jinchuurikis seem to be when you include Naruto and Kurama.

    But yes, a Tsukuyomi user like Itachi could have a bad effect on perfect jinchuurikis if Itachi acts fast and the Bijuu isn't on his toes.
     
         

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    Re: Tsukiyomi vs all bijuu users

    Quote Originally Posted by Helikido View Post
    The logical fact should be enough though? It's instant for gods sake.
    No seriously, it's for a project. I need four unique Itachi accounts in one thread and they need to state the similar speculation and premises.
     
         

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    Re: Tsukiyomi vs all bijuu users

    Quote Originally Posted by Too Hot 4 da Chicks View Post
    this thread is the best 'Love fest' I have seen in a while.
    hahahahahahaha...........no
     
         

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    Re: Tsukiyomi vs all bijuu users

    Quote Originally Posted by FreakensteinAG View Post
    No seriously, it's for a project. I need four unique Itachi accounts in one thread and they need to state the similar speculation and premises.
    Quote Originally Posted by Too Hot 4 da Chicks View Post
    this thread is the best 'Love fest' I have seen in a while.
    Instead of both of you posting useless crap, how about you post a counter argument? If any which i doubt.
     
         

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    Re: Tsukiyomi vs all bijuu users

    Quote Originally Posted by Helikido View Post
    Instead of both of you posting useless crap, how about you post a counter argument? If any which i doubt.
    i swear people have no/bs counter arguments...its a damn shame
     
         

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    Re: Tsukiyomi vs all bijuu users

    Quote Originally Posted by itachi4real View Post
    i swear people have no/bs counter arguments...its a damn shame
    Again, people fail to realize how hax uchihas are usually are, so they choose to ignore the obvious.
     
         

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    Re: Tsukiyomi vs all bijuu users

    Indeed. I don't see how this is debatable to be honest.
     
         

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    Re: Tsukiyomi vs all bijuu users

    Quote Originally Posted by Helikido View Post
    I would like to point out something important. It is not true that jinjuriki are immune to genjutsu. If i recall properly, wasn't yagura who was a perfect jinjuriki put under a genjutsu? Also, bee was put under itachis normal genjutsu for about 5 second before hachibi broke it.

    Now going by manga logic and fact, it would be safe to say that Tsukiyomi can be effective against any bijuu user since it is instant in real world time. Therefore, Tsukiyomi simply takes place too fast for any bijuu to take action and break it.

    I know one person who will come up with complete BS such as the jinjuriki have the same conscious as their bijuu, but that is completely false. The manga clearly shows that a user has to willingly enter the subconscious between the bijuu and himself. But the jinjuriki cannot do that while his own chakra is under control by itachis tsukiyomi, especially since it takes place instantly.

    Also, when bee was under itachis genjutsu, the hachibi was not under it at the same time, so you can safely throw that claim out of here.
    Actually they can break out, as they said, their minds are connected so would be in the same time effect as the Jin. You said Hachibi wasn't under the same time as Bee? Bee was in normal time, he snapped Bee out as Itachi was throwing Shurikens at him which shows how fast it was. The fact is, Itachi's and the victim's consciousness are connected in the Tsukuyomi but since the Bijuu and Jin are already connected, they can interfere. Remember when Sasuke entered Naruto's consciousness and was talking to Naruto and Kurama? It would be the same thing.

    Also The Bijuus can call their Jin. without them knowing. They pulled Naruto down to where Jin. 2,3,5,6,7 were all talking to Naruto and they said it's somewhere were Obito can't enter. This was after Naruto and kurama became fully synched. Also If Naruto wasn't getting helped by Kurama, he can just go into KM (if in go out then in) and that would disrupt Itachi's chakra and break the genjutsu. Bee can do this by going Version 1 or 2 as well.

    As for the 4th Mizukage, no one knows how he was controlled but it is a fact that Obito is stronger at using genjutsus than Itachi so you can't compare them. Itachi said you need the MS to control Kurama, Madara and Obito (who was trained by Madara) both were able to control Kurama using only their 3 tomoes which means their 3 tomoes genjutsu is on MS level so their MS genjutsu are even stronger. Sasuke used his MS genjutsus on people because it's stronger, why would he use his MS/EMS genjutsu if just awaking the MS gives you the power to use genjutsu to control Kurama? That makes no sense but Madara mastered the sharingan far beyond anyone and taught Obito how to as well.
     
         

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    Re: Tsukiyomi vs all bijuu users

    Of course they can't break out. Only Uchiha w/ a skilled enough Sharingan can break out. That's a manga fact. Jins use an internal version of the partner method to break Genjutsu, saying they can break Genjutsu is like saying any two people can free the other from Tsukuyomi via Partner Method.
     
         

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    Re: Tsukiyomi vs all bijuu users

    http://narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=432051

    Read this and you will understand
     
         

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    Re: Tsukiyomi vs all bijuu users

    This is why perfect jins can break any kind of genjutsu

     
         

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    Re: Tsukiyomi vs all bijuu users

    Tsukuyomi would destroy any jin. They'd be left unconscious and mentally exhausted. AT BEST, the bijuu could attain control of the body and perform a full transormation to continue the fight. But, if that were to happen, the sharingan can, and has shown the ability to, control Mind control bijuu. Any jin loses if they're hit by itachi's tsukuyomi - it only takes 1 second; let's not forget that sasuke's fodder genjutsu paralysed bee for 1 second.
     
         

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    Re: Tsukiyomi vs all bijuu users

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuuybi View Post
    This is why perfect jins can break any kind of genjutsu

    Manga disagrees.

     
         

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    Re: Tsukiyomi vs all bijuu users

    prove me wriong
     
         

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    Re: Tsukiyomi vs all bijuu users

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuuybi View Post
    prove me wriong
    Already did pal. Manga says only an Uchiha with a Sharingan has a chance of breaking Tsukuyomi. Now:

    -Is B an Uchiha?
    NO.

    -Does B have Sharingan?
    NO.

    Result? Tsukuyomi KOs him if he makes eye contact.
     
         

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    Re: Tsukiyomi vs all bijuu users

    yagura might be perfect jin, meaning he tamed sanbi but yagura under genjutsu means either this or other: genjutsu was like Kotoamatsukami victim doesnt realize he's under illusion or bijuu wasnt in best tearms with yagura thus sanbi just didnt break illusion..

    to escape illusion you need a partner to disturb your chakra flow, perfect jinchuuriki has that most powerfull partner if they are in good tearms, early KCM naruto was open to genjutsu now he is not

    or: early KCM naruto would need to re-start kcm mode that all chakra which he absorb would end genjutsu
     
         

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    Re: Tsukiyomi vs all bijuu users

    there is no proof if yagura was friend with sanbi.

    Tamming and being friends are two different things.

    EX- KMC Naruto cant break MS Genjutsu while BM Naruto can easily break through any Genjutsu. Get the point.
     
         

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