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    Sasori Vs. Itachi



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    Yata no Kagami, Totsuka no Tsurugi

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    Sasori starts the battle in Hiruko
     
         

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    Re: Sasori Vs. Itachi

    Itachi wins mid difficulty at best. Since Sasori can't even harm a V2 Susanoo let alone anything higher, all the former needs to do is mow through his offense and defense with Susanoo and end it by crushing him and his puppets.
     
         

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    Re: Sasori Vs. Itachi

    You're expecting me to post some long ass argument, aren't ya? I'm not doing it this time. Debates against Itachi are too long and annoying. u-u

    OT: Sasori wins.
     
         

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    Re: Sasori Vs. Itachi

    Itachi takes this he can abuse his yasaka magatema in V1.
     
         
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    Re: Sasori Vs. Itachi

    Quote Originally Posted by KidGamer65 View Post
    Itachi wins mid difficulty at best. Since Sasori can't even harm a V2 Susanoo let alone anything higher, all the former needs to do is mow through his offense and defense with Susanoo and end it by crushing him and his puppets.
    It would be a stamina game, Sasori would have a hard time downing V2 Susano'o, but how long can alive Itachi sustain Sasano'o before his reserves deteriorate..?

    Quote Originally Posted by AkatsukiChurch View Post
    You're expecting me to post some long ass argument, aren't ya? I'm not doing it this time. Debates against Itachi are too long and annoying. u-u

    OT: Sasori wins.
    I think Sasori takes this as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Jamison View Post
    Itachi takes this he can abuse his yasaka magatema in V1.
    Sasori can switch body's at the last moment. Yasaka Magatama would just drain Itachi's reserves.
     
         

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    Re: Sasori Vs. Itachi

    Itachi takes this. Sasori is one of my favorites but he doesnt stand a chance in hiruko, he is better off with kazekage already out but he would still lose in that scenario.
     
         

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    Re: Sasori Vs. Itachi

    Quote Originally Posted by Crossroads View Post
    It would be a stamina game, Sasori would have a hard time downing V2 Susano'o, but how long can alive Itachi sustain Sasano'o before his reserves deteriorate..?
    It wouldn't be a stamina battle, cause Itachi can break through Sasori's defenses and finish him off once he does so. Sasori can't even get through Itachi's defenses. Stamina won't come in play here as Itachi has the tools to end Sasori before he collapses.
     
         

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    Re: Sasori Vs. Itachi

    No matter the match, everyone member argues genjutsu. Itachi match-ups are useless unless that is restricted
     
         

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    Re: Sasori Vs. Itachi

    Quote Originally Posted by KingPin90 View Post
    No matter the match, everyone member argues genjutsu. Itachi match-ups are useless unless that is restricted

    Sasori is a Puppet so why would we need to restrict Genjutsu here? It doesn't work on him.
     
         

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    Re: Sasori Vs. Itachi

    Quote Originally Posted by KingPin90 View Post
    No matter the match, everyone member argues genjutsu. Itachi match-ups are useless unless that is restricted
    How exactly is Genjutsu working on Sasori..?
     
         

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    Re: Sasori Vs. Itachi

    Quote Originally Posted by AkatsukiChurch View Post

    Sasori is a Puppet so why would we need to restrict Genjutsu here? It doesn't work on him.
    Yup, however brute force can be used here.
     
         

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    Re: Sasori Vs. Itachi

    Quote Originally Posted by Crossroads View Post
    I think Sasori takes this as well.
    Oh alright.. If you want my argument on how Sasori beats him. Look in Gakido's Sasori vs Itachi thread. ._.

    Quote Originally Posted by Draphsin View Post
    Yup, however brute force can be used here.
    Susano'o's brute force against a flying opponent? Genius.. ._.
     
         

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    Re: Sasori Vs. Itachi

    Itachi takes this with ease... He see chakra in Sasori heart thingy and easily burn it with Amaterasu... His Susanoo would crush all of Hiruko's weapons with ease Magatama's or Amaterasu would wreck Sasori's main body...
     
         

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    Re: Sasori Vs. Itachi

    Quote Originally Posted by AkatsukiChurch View Post

    Sasori is a Puppet so why would we need to restrict Genjutsu here? It doesn't work on him.
    That's generally speaking.

    Regardless, i have seen members argue that genjutsu would on Sasori. Somehow it is thought that heart has somecorrelation to his brain, in order for him to memorize jutsu or general affairs.
     
         

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    Re: Sasori Vs. Itachi

    Quote Originally Posted by KingPin90 View Post
    That's generally speaking.

    Regardless, i have seen members argue that genjutsu would on Sasori. Somehow it is thought that heart has somecorrelation to his brain, in order for him to memorize jutsu or general affairs.
    Nope. Sasori said that he only has a heart:

    Immunity to Genjutsu

    In all honesty, I fail to see how this is still being debated, but I've seen people claim that Sasori is not immune to Genjutsu despite the fact that he is a Human Puppet. [x][x] From Jiraiya's explanation [x] we know that the Genjutsu works by targeting the opponent's head and messes up their senses. It basically causes you to hear, sense, see and maybe even taste what the caster of the Genjutsu wishes you to. However, sadly for Genjutsu users, Sasori is a Puppet who lacks a brain and only has a heart as stated by the man himself.


    Let me explain a bit more. In Naruto, thoughts and those stuff seem to be part of your "Mental Energy". If you read the Databook article for Mind Body Transfer, you would see that Yamanaka force all of their Mental Energy into the other person, thus their body drops unconcious. If you realise, Ino can now think in the other persons body? Sasori can still think, because he HAS a piece of flesh, which contains both Physical Energy + Mental Energy. Both needed to create Chakra. In your entire body there is Physical Energy and Spiritual/Mental energy, and when you merge the both, you make Chakra. [x] Yamanaka force their entire Mental Energy into other people which inturn sends their Mind as well, then their body just falls, in the other body, they maintain their ability to think, their entire MIND has been passed over and that shows that the mental energy part of your body is where your mind is in Naruto.


    With that said skin and all human organs have sense receptors so by having that little piece of human remains atleast one sense can be manipulated. However Genjutsu doesn't just affect senses. It affects Chakra in the cranial nerves to be EXACT. It is the cranial nerves in the brain that controls most the senses.




    For eg the Olfactory controls your sense of smell. <-- A sense that sasori has no longer. A Genjutsu user controls those cranial nerves, and could make you do what he wished. If he wanted you to see Red clouds and a Red moon, He would target the Optic nerves in the interbrain to make you see Red clouds and a Red moon.

    Kishi however didn't explain everything to well, and sasori has found a way to maintain
    1) sight,
    2) Sound
    Those are just about the only almost unexplainable things, but it simply has to do with the fact that it's a fiction story. Where someone can make themselves into a puppet, and someone has blue skin and looks like a shark. We can't really make sense of any of it, but what is clear is how Genjtusu works. However, if people wish it could be explained how Sasori retained the ability to see and hear despite having only a heart.

    Section two was written by a very intelligent member in which we don't have with us currently any longer; pay close attention to this part as I can conclude that it is the ideal changer.

    To strengthen the possibility of Sasori being immune to Genjutsu I have to bring out a few scenario's similar to the premise:

    When Orochimaru absorbed his Chakra from Kabuto, he obtained memories and information from him.


    When Itachi prodded Sasuke he forced information - Amaterasu - into Sasuke, the fact he had Itachi's MS style shows his influence.





    Just confirms that in the NV that Chakra can contain information, that a heart as the source of Chakra can be seen as Sasori's 'brain'



    In reality, it shouldn't even be debatable since Sasori himself already stated that he only has a heart and no brain, and not to mention that the Databook itself stated that Sasori can no longer be conisdered Human. [x]


    A special thanks to Kaaant and Owarij for some of these points.
     
         

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    Re: Sasori Vs. Itachi

    Quote Originally Posted by KingPin90 View Post
    That's generally speaking.

    Regardless, i have seen members argue that genjutsu would on Sasori. Somehow it is thought that heart has somecorrelation to his brain, in order for him to memorize jutsu or general affairs.
    Sasori's only human body part is his brain.

    If what you're saying is true, then how to Edo Tensei'd people still have their memories..?
     
         

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    Re: Sasori Vs. Itachi

    Why would you restrict Itachi's moves? Itachi's only hope it to finish it offensive-wise and successfully blocking were those two weapons.

    Sasori takes this. Itachi can potentially can caught by Hiruko

    Itachi attempt for Tsu will be a waste and result wasting chakra and strain [X]

    And When Ammy and Sussanoo is out:

    Quote Originally Posted by EjBlack View Post
    The 3rd KazeKage Is the Way


    This is where the real battle begins MS vs the 3rd Kazekage's power. At this point Sasuke has no choice but to use Sussanoo in this situation. Sasori being vigilant, and also after seeing how MS powers destroyed Hiruko, he would be prepared to counter.

    Alot of people want to say Iron Sand is slow to gather up. That's not entirely true due to this scan:

    "It is possible to use the repellent properites of magnetism..." The context was talking about Sand Drizzle but, that doesn't means the context can apply to any other shape of Iron Sand. Since Drizzle seem to Shape as bullets instantly (From page 10 to 11)[[X]][X]. (Some want to argue that the way the 3rd's Sand sets out from his body and form is slow. Not true, if you notice that in the manga when a new jutsu is introduce it took its time to explain the jutsu force before it is use. A good example would be Kakuzu jutsu being introduce first and then his mask were release faster in Edo form. Thats because it is unimportant to explain it anymore.)

    Since this scan says Iron Sand Shape can be used beyond the users imagination:
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    (Basically shaping it fast is not the problem especially when Sasori will be vigilant in this match up)

    This said Sasori has many methods to defend against the MS (2 blocks of Iron Sand= One for defensive manipulation and One for offensive manipulation):

    Defensive:

    Enton/Amaterasu: Putting Sand in front of you, to let it spawn there.

    Sussanoo Arrow: Manipulate the Sand to change its course much like Danzo's idea.
    --Option B: Move to aerial combat with Sand platform. Reason? Lets take a look at Danzo's situation.
    [X]<-- In this scan we see Danzo escape the transformation of Sussanoo. By jumping off he used Wind Release to try and glide back to a safe area. The last panel shows Sussanoo attempting to find the "right moment",aiming precisely, to fire against Danzo. Sussanoo release it's attack as soon as Danzo landed . This proving that a moving target on air is harder to catch then a moving target on ground.

    Offensive


    Option A:
    Using the Magnetic Force To Block Sussanoo Attack Methods:
    As we should know in the Manga, Satetsu is not suppose to be blocked, your suppose to dodge it.[X]Because this jutsu is highly advance it is well known to even other village on how dangerous this jutsu is[X][X]. Shooting Iron Sand against Sussanoo's Arms will do the trick as the manga applied. Once Iron is stick to it's hands, will result of a Tug of War between the magnetic force holding down finger/hand movement while the entity is fighting for free hand movements. Struggling = No weapon for entity to use to fight back.

    --Option B:
    Using Iron Sand To Attack From Ground-Up:The old stages are Sussanoo is still vulnerable from the ground-up[X]. Making Iron Sand root up from the ground makes the attack internal, due to its blind spot under ground that leaves it open.

    ----Option C:
    Using Magnetic Power Of Attraction: Due to the power of the 3rd Kazekage, all metallic objects are useless against Sasori. Having them in the field at the end of the day, can be used against you.[X] With this said, Sasori can use this option to surprise Sasuke. First Sasori needs to hold down the entity, Sussano[X]<--First Panel. (But of course will be better to use Iron Sand because: ). If Sasuke is not using his Sword of Kusanagi, then the next option is to use the Magnetic Power to Attract it towards him. Sasuke, leaving it in his back will be pushed out with the sword, due to the sword having the weight to do that by default. Much like how Pein uses his power to attract opponents[X] The method here is to do it quickly, in one shot, before Sasuke sees it coming and removes his sword.

    P.S. People might come here and explain how is that even possible and I just want to say, the sword sheath of not, it doesn't block magnetic attraction.

    -Read this source at least: http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae512.cfm
    -If you want to learn while entertaining yourself: Watch Breaking Bad Season 5, Episode 1. Magnets are involved in this episode. And you would get what I am saying in Option C.

    --------Option D:
    Waiting For Sussanoo To Expire:I already added the flaw of MS. Sasori can simply outlast the strain from MS moves. Eventually Sasuke needs to take a break to maintain like he has done twice so far vs Danzo 1. and 2. The battle is pretty much over from there. Sasori can either Sand Drizzle. Sasuke in this position can try his best to dodge but at the end of the day, in his position, he would at least get scratch. Or he can:



    To end it.

    At the end of the day I won't argue that Iron Sand has displayed its destructive force to damage Sussanoo, but instead show other methods to work around beating the user even with it.
     
         

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    Re: Sasori Vs. Itachi

    Quote Originally Posted by AkatsukiChurch View Post
    Susano'o's brute force against a flying opponent? Genius.. ._.
    How is sasori flying while in hiruko? genius..
     
         

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    Re: Sasori Vs. Itachi

    Itachi wins mid diff at most
     
         

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    Re: Sasori Vs. Itachi

    Itachi has this.
     
         

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    Re: Sasori Vs. Itachi

    It will never be repeated enough.

    -Sasori's only human part is his heart which emit chakra all the flows.
    -Sharingan can imediately detect his heart since the only source is his heart.
    -Sasori has nothing against amaterasu direct on his heart, even if he change body, his heart has to move too so it doesn't matter.

    Sasori vs MS are bad match up thought.

    Itachi win low/mid dificulty.
     
         

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    Re: Sasori Vs. Itachi

    Quote Originally Posted by Tendou00 View Post
    It will never be repeated enough.

    -Sasori's only human part is his heart which emit chakra all the flows.
    -Sharingan can imediately detect his heart since the only source is his heart.
    -Sasori has nothing against amaterasu direct on his heart, even if he change body, his heart has to move too so it doesn't matter.

    Sasori vs MS are bad match up thought.

    Itachi win low/mid dificulty.
    Thats because this interpretation is wrong, since Human puppets carry their own stored chakra: The Core is what able to active it (This was made when I did against Sasuke):

    Quote Originally Posted by EjBlack View Post
    2. You made a great observation for Sasuke. Indeed Sasuke has the intelligence to come up with that focus. Unfortunately the core is the live part that controls/active the chakra that is stored IN the Human Puppet. Let me elaborate. First read Chiyo's words [X]. Sasori builts in engine for the chakra to be stored as you see here <--Kazekage. And Sasori's personal here <-- (in his next chest plate).
    To go even further then I usually did. Sasori has broken the laws of Nature to the point that he is inhuman. If you read Kakuzu vs Kakashi's scan, you would know that breaking the laws also benefits your body to not interpret it even with the Sharingan. Kakashi's Sharingan should of picked up Kakuzu carrying 5 hearts, since they also carry a different chakra nature type. These human hearts were the only way to keep Kakuzu alive and yet, Kakashi didn't understand and didn't act accordingly. This applies to Sasori's body to since both of these characters body type has broken the laws of nature, thus your conclusion doesn't fit as valid.
     
         

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