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    Naruto's ignorance.

    Alright; title is a little short and blunt; but i have certain opinions on a matter and i want to know your opinions as well:

    Do you think Naruto is not decently grasping matters and concepts he wants to handle?

    Rest is my opinion; read it or not.

    As presented through the manga; Naruto wants to be a kage, save the world, spread love and peace etc. But as far as i see; there is no deep grasping of concepts by him; he wants things; but he does not seem to be aware of mechanics. He is like a child who does not know how to drive the car but wants to do it regardless.

    He just says he "understands"; he does not. He did not know zlich about Hyuuga clan and its situation; but he just says "imma change it cuz i don't like it". Everybody wants to change stuff. Wanting world peace does not make someone peace maker. He wants peace and good relations; but he does not know a thing on the matter. His tnj is laughable; it is baffling how people change themselves after hearing words that can be summed with "you and i are both the same, peace and love, don't be lonely, believe it dattebayo". I know this is a written story but it does not make sense how few words of another individual who is been met about a fight while ago can change life-long ideals.

    All in all; i think he just want to be drive of things that he does not know internal mechanics of. I am not expecting him to be a political genius at such age; but does he ever stops and thinks "what the **** am i want and how will it happen; what can be the process?". He just neva eva gives up and wants peace.

    If these concepts are never going to be grasped; i can assume that manga indeed suggests "believing it and never giving up" is the thing to know about the internal dynamics.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto's ignorance.

    It's kishimoto plot no jutsu.

    And i don't think there will be peace because all the villagers still have hatred inside them. That's what i think

    Naruto is just a child to me, same as sasuke but sasuke is more mature than naruto for sure.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto's ignorance.

    Naruto is a blunt idiot with no concepts of the world.

    To me he should never be Hokage. His will and drive alone isn't enough for him to be a Hokage or be a suitable person in his universe.

    But...he's the main character. He's going to get whatever he wants...
     
         

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    Re: Naruto's ignorance.

    Agreed

    He thinks everything in the world is easily achieved.
    And he is just like u said arrogant. He's telling others they are wrong while he has no idea how 2 fix the problem himself :l
     
         

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    Re: Naruto's ignorance.

    Quote Originally Posted by iNotorious View Post
    It's kishimoto plot no jutsu.

    And i don't think there will be peace because all the villagers still have hatred inside them. That's what i think

    Naruto is just a child to me, same as sasuke but sasuke is more mature than naruto for sure.
    All villages would see Naruto's Godlyness and decide to live in peace 4eva.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto's ignorance.

    It's not is TNJ. It's the abiltity he has which makes people wants to follow him. He makes people trust in him
     
         

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    Re: Naruto's ignorance.

    Quote Originally Posted by caterpillar View Post
    All villages would see Naruto's Godlyness and decide to live in peace 4eva.
    That's not even going to happen. I guess there will be ''peace'' for couple of years until somebody like orochimaru appear and do a lot of shit and the villagers goes crazy :l
     
         

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    Re: Naruto's ignorance.

    Thank you , this is what I've been saying all this time .

    People who know their shit : Minato , Yahiko & Kakashi > Naruto
     
         
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    i agree with you 100% bro thats why i never liked his persona kudos for speaking your mind tho
     
         

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    Re: Naruto's ignorance.

    Yeah I agree, but they're just kids. He might become more mature as he grows up.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto's ignorance.

    his words cannot be summed with "you and i are the same,peace and love,dont be lonely,believe it dattebayo"

    the message is you can't do everything by yourself that's why you have friends to make up for that
    thats why obito had that thought of friends making him happy and "filling that hole in his heart"
     
         
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    Re: Naruto's ignorance.

    I don't think Kishi understands most of these concepts.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto's ignorance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bijuu Bomber View Post
    Naruto is a blunt idiot with no concepts of the world.

    To me he should never be Hokage. His will and drive alone isn't enough for him to be a Hokage or be a suitable person in his universe.

    But...he's the main character. He's going to get whatever he wants...
    Yup he will. Even though it does not make much sense.
    Quote Originally Posted by Clouds View Post
    Agreed

    He thinks everything in the world is easily achieved.
    And he is just like u said arrogant. He's telling others they are wrong while he has no idea how 2 fix the problem himself :l
    He appearantly spews few words and everybody comes to his nutsacks. And he is indeed arrogant.
    Quote Originally Posted by Javaweb View Post
    It's not is TNJ. It's the abiltity he has which makes people wants to follow him. He makes people trust in him
    It is what we call tnj.
    Quote Originally Posted by iNotorious View Post
    That's not even going to happen. I guess there will be ''peace'' for couple of years until somebody like orochimaru appear and do a lot of shit and the villagers goes crazy :l
    I hope that happens; because that reflects reality.
    Quote Originally Posted by -Punk- View Post
    Thank you , this is what I've been saying all this time .

    People who know their shit : Minato , Yahiko & Kakashi > Naruto
    Thanks.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto's ignorance.

    Well, if he stopped with all the things you mentioned such as wanting to do this, do that, help that person, save that person, then his way to 'never give up' would not be supported, and that's what the whole character is about.
     
         

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    Naruto is ignorant with fairy tail thinking , people need to understand that his ideals are nothing but crap .
     
         

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    Re: Naruto's ignorance.

    There is no solution. That's why.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto's ignorance.

    Quote Originally Posted by caterpillar View Post
    Yup he will. Even though it does not make much sense.

    He appearantly spews few words and everybody comes to his nutsacks. And he is indeed arrogant.


    It is what we call tnj.


    I hope that happens; because that reflects reality.


    Thanks.

    I hope naruto becomes evil, he just need it, for couple chapters at least so he can see with his own eyes that peace cannot be achieved.

    Quote Originally Posted by PureGold View Post
    Well, if he stopped with all the things you mentioned such as wanting to do this, do that, help that person, save that person, then his way to 'never give up' would not be supported, and that's what the whole character is about.
    It's naruto after all.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto's ignorance.

    Quote Originally Posted by iNotorious View Post
    It's kishimoto plot no jutsu.

    And i don't think there will be peace because all the villagers still have hatred inside them. That's what i think

    Naruto is just a child to me, same as sasuke but sasuke is more mature than naruto for sure.
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    Re: Naruto's ignorance.

    Quote Originally Posted by -Punk- View Post
    Naruto is ignorant with fairy tail thinking , people need to understand that his ideals are nothing but crap .
    I saw this comment in a youtube video and i agree with his response and your response. ''This chapter was one of the worst in this arc. Friendship powerup and no tactical fighting (Fairy Fail quality), Obito's Godlike barrier being penetrated by mere raengans (because Naruto couldn't do that 20 chapters ago). Susanoo Kurama was pointless in the end. Why isn't Obito using kamui and rinnegan still?
    Obito should still have more in him. He has the 10 tails too now, f*** the susanoo and 9 tails as well as friendship.
    I really hope he is still in, this defeat was way too underwhelming.''

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    Re: Naruto's ignorance.

    Ignorance is bliss


    I agree though
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by damon hunt View Post
    i agree with you 100% bro thats why i never liked his persona kudos for speaking your mind tho
    I am not a "bro" (look at the gender bar ) but thanks.
    Quote Originally Posted by SanjiNL View Post
    Yeah I agree, but they're just kids. He might become more mature as he grows up.
    Hopefully.
    Quote Originally Posted by rollin View Post
    his words cannot be summed with "you and i are the same,peace and love,dont be lonely,believe it dattebayo"

    the message is you can't do everything by yourself that's why you have friends to make up for that
    Still does not suffice the ideas of peace, politics, conflicts etc.
    These ideas look nice and all; but not fitting into driving whole mechanics.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cozman View Post
    I don't think Kishi understands most of these concepts.
    But he have introduced many interesting characters with intriguing mindsets.
    But when it comes to main character; they all get rendered into a lineer and blunt way of thinking.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto's ignorance.

    It's well established he is just immature and naïve i.e. "I'm gonna be Hokage someday" Yet, he doesn't seem to understand the large amount of tedious tasks to be done everyday. It's like he thinks it's one big holiday where everyone respects him and he sits around drinking tea until someone calls him into battle.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by PureGold View Post
    Well, if he stopped with all the things you mentioned such as wanting to do this, do that, help that person, save that person, then his way to 'never give up' would not be supported, and that's what the whole character is about.
    I haven't said he should have stopped or achieved those by now.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto's ignorance.

    This is why I prefer Death Note's characters over Naruto's. The way they think is actually realistic, not just 'ermahgerd lets help peoplez cuz we can'.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto's ignorance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Byakusharinnegan View Post
    This is why I prefer Death Note's characters over Naruto's. The way they think is actually realistic, not just 'ermahgerd lets help peoplez cuz we can'.
    I think attack on titan is better in my opinion, nobody has plot shield to save them, even the main characters can die in this world, for real.
     
         

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