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    Madara was suppose to be the 3rd Coffin [Plot Hole?]



    I'm going to try to prove 2 things;

    • 3rd Coffin must have been Madara

    • Orochimaru was the one behind Madara's Mokuton (Little help from Kabuto)


    Please understand this first;


    You know that to do Edo Tensei you need to perform a ritual beforehand right? You need a living vessel and the DNA of the person you wish to bring back. Now imagine this scenario:

    Orochimaru uses a living victim and sacrifices him, he calls on the DNA of Minato. Oddly enough Minato doesn't come back (Well because of the Shinigami Seal). Minato is then not revived.

    So, after that how it possible for the 3rd Coffin to be Minato if the ritual wouldn't work beforehand?

    As for Kabuto's chat with Obito, he was lying. If he told Obito "So yes he resurrected Madara", believe me, Obito would have killed Kabuto by seeing where he was going with this. He even lied about the hand seals to break it.

    So he used Yondaime Hokage as a decoy.

    Check this out first:



    It seems Hiruzen somehow stopped the 3rd Coffin from resurrecting, NOT THE SHINIGAMI SEAL ON MINATO!
    Despite what Kabuto said, he doesnt make sense, since what Hiruzen did here.

    Concluding the 3rd Coffin must have been Madara

    I think the fact alone that Madara was reanimated was proof Kabuto and Orochimaru had access to his DNA, what makes it more believable is this....


    Now, Madara receiving Mokuton thanks to Orochimaru

    How old is Yamato?

    Kyuubi attack happened about 16 Years ago, and we all could agree Yamato got his Mokuton far earlier, since he got it since he was a kid, which btw Orochimaru gave him. I'm trying to say Orochimaru experimented with Mokuton even before Naruto or Sasuke existed.



    Orochimaru really got skilled at manipulating Hashirama Cells well, he even granted Danzo Mokuton, though on a weaker bases. Danzo here was clearly the so to say "prototype" of what Orochimaru had in mind for Madara.

    Here is little proof that Orochimaru or Kabuto did in fact give Madara Mokuton


    Notice how he is checking out his wounds as if Obito should have done the "job" long ago (Whisper: He didn't want Madara involved...)

    And finally the proof in the pudding;


    "Damn Kabuto...not only was he able to reproduce the tree world...but the tree flower world!"
    We can easily conclude Orochimaru/Kabuto did in fact experiment on Madara's body at some time.


     
         
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    Re: Madara was suppose to be the 3rd Coffin [Plot Hole?]

    tl;dr

    Minato was supposed to. Confirmed by the manga. Basically you used your time for nothing.
     
         

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    Re: Madara was suppose to be the 3rd Coffin [Plot Hole?]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrik View Post
    tl;dr

    Minato was supposed to. Confirmed by the manga. Basically you used your time for nothing.
    Ahem Plot Hole -_-
     
         

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    Re: Madara was suppose to be the 3rd Coffin [Plot Hole?]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrik View Post
    tl;dr

    Minato was supposed to. Confirmed by the manga. Basically you used your time for nothing.
    Seconded, except the tl;dr part. I read the whole thing.
     
         

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    Re: Madara was suppose to be the 3rd Coffin [Plot Hole?]

    Your images are broken.. But I'm pretty sure it was supposed to be the fourth.
     
         

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    Re: Madara was suppose to be the 3rd Coffin [Plot Hole?]

    No it wasn't my friend
     
         

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    Re: Madara was suppose to be the 3rd Coffin [Plot Hole?]

    It's been definitely discussed somewhere before, and yeah Minato's failed resurrection is sort of a plot hole. But people concluded that maybe ways to perform the "prep" ritual and summoning can vary.

    Here's an example: http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Su...aratory_Ritual
     
         

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    Edit: double post
     
         

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    Re: Madara was suppose to be the 3rd Coffin [Plot Hole?]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrik View Post
    tl;dr

    Minato was supposed to. Confirmed by the manga. Basically you used your time for nothing.
    You should have read it. He said that Minato's was a decoy because if Minato couldn't be summoned due to Shinigami seal, why would Orochimaru attempt it?

    I like this theory u_u
     
         

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    Re: Madara was suppose to be the 3rd Coffin [Plot Hole?]

    Really nice find. Might be a plot hole because Orochimaru knows well he can't revive those sealed by the Reaper Death Seal, but he tried anyway. He's not that dumb. If Hiruzen "stopped" it, that 3rd coffin could've very well been Madara. But who knows really
     
         

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    Re: Madara was suppose to be the 3rd Coffin [Plot Hole?]

    Nah, not even close.

    But appreciate the hard work
     
         

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    Re: Madara was suppose to be the 3rd Coffin [Plot Hole?]

    This only proves Minato > Hiruzen , he was scared shitless of him .
     
         

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    Re: Madara was suppose to be the 3rd Coffin [Plot Hole?]

    obito already knew about edo madara before kabuto told him about the 3rd coffin also it wouldn't make sense for oro to resurrect 1st, 2nd and madara seeing how it was a hokage reunion and it was confirmed to be the 4th hokage. for your theory to have any relevance or a shred of truth that moment would still need addressing which it won't as it is no longer important so it was meant to be the 4th hokage and simply put the 3rd must have thought he stopped it not knowing it was a failure to begin with
     
         

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    Re: Madara was suppose to be the 3rd Coffin [Plot Hole?]

    Quote Originally Posted by Megatolium View Post
    Ahem Plot Hole -_-
    Lame excuse for your lame thread.
     
         

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    Re: Madara was suppose to be the 3rd Coffin [Plot Hole?]

    This suggests that Oro lacked prudence, and that is where your theory may hold some water. I do not believe Oro would act with haste in his revenge on konoha plan. He wouldn't show up with an un-tested edo tensei. It seems like a desperate move for him to go in like that.
     
         

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    Re: Madara was suppose to be the 3rd Coffin [Plot Hole?]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrik View Post
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    Minato was supposed to. Confirmed by the manga. Basically you used your time for nothing.
    This
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    Re: Madara was suppose to be the 3rd Coffin [Plot Hole?]

    It was already confirmed by Kabuto himself that the third coffin was Minato. That is a super manga fact, no reason to go against what the mangaka stated in his own manga.
     
         

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    Re: Madara was suppose to be the 3rd Coffin [Plot Hole?]

    1. Yes, Orochimaru actually got access to Madara's body from whom Kabuto obtained it, and resurrected him, Orochimaru was probably after SO6P's ultimate jutsus or Rinnegan and other related jutsus, here is my theory about it.
    2. Was it Madara, that Oro wanted to resurrect?? I don't think so, it was probably fourth as stated in the manga, as we can clearly see that Oro learned the secrets behind sealing techniques of Uzumaki clan after losing his jutsus..
     
         

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    Re: Madara was suppose to be the 3rd Coffin [Plot Hole?]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sachchidanand View Post
    1. Yes, Orochimaru actually got access to Madara's body from whom Kabuto obtained it, and resurrected him, Orochimaru was probably after SO6P's ultimate jutsus or Rinnegan and other related jutsus, here is my theory about it.
    2. Was it Madara, that Oro wanted to resurrect?? I don't think so, it was probably fourth as stated in the manga, as we can clearly see that Oro learned the secrets behind sealing techniques of Uzumaki clan after losing his jutsus..
    Look how cool Hashi is. Not giving an absolute F***
     
         

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    Re: Madara was suppose to be the 3rd Coffin [Plot Hole?]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moe22 View Post
    Really nice find. Might be a plot hole because Orochimaru knows well he can't revive those sealed by the Reaper Death Seal, but he tried anyway. He's not that dumb. If Hiruzen "stopped" it, that 3rd coffin could've very well been Madara. But who knows really
    Orochimaru never saw RDS before his fight with Hiruzen, stated in the manga I believe.

    Also, the markings on the third coffin read "4th".

    I will have to disagree with this entire thread, though it is unlike Oro to try something vital to his plan before testing it, but I am positive shuriken also didn't stop the coffin, it had to be the RDS Minato used on himself without Oro's knowledge of the jutsu.
     
         

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    Re: Madara was suppose to be the 3rd Coffin [Plot Hole?]

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    Re: Madara was suppose to be the 3rd Coffin [Plot Hole?]

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    Look how cool Hashi is. Not giving an absolute F***
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    Re: Madara was suppose to be the 3rd Coffin [Plot Hole?]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sachchidanand View Post
    1. Yes, Orochimaru actually got access to Madara's body from whom Kabuto obtained it, and resurrected him, Orochimaru was probably after SO6P's ultimate jutsus or Rinnegan and other related jutsus, here is my theory about it.
    2. Was it Madara, that Oro wanted to resurrect?? I don't think so, it was probably fourth as stated in the manga, as we can clearly see that Oro learned the secrets behind sealing techniques of Uzumaki clan after losing his jutsus..
    But that doesn't clear up the fact Orochimaru needed a successful ritual to summon Minato in the first place, how did the coffin appear? Otherwise it wasn't Minato at all.

    And Orochimaru is aware Minato was sealed. Kabuto was just lying about Minato, he didn't have a choice, its a given.
     
         

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    Re: Madara was suppose to be the 3rd Coffin [Plot Hole?]

    Sorry but this is a fail thread. Kabuto stated that the last person on the 3rd coffin was Minato himself not Madara.

    Madara already had Mokuton before being edo tensie. He implanted Hashirama's DNA right after the battle and at that moment he gained access to Mokuton. Orochimaru nor Kabuto did not give him any Mokuton.

    It would be impossible for Madara to be the person in 3rd coffin when he wasn't introduced as character in Hiruzen's death.
     
         

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    Re: Madara was suppose to be the 3rd Coffin [Plot Hole?]

    I gave you rep for the effort, but Manga plot disputes this. Would have been nice in theory though, but the pedo snake confirmed he studied how to revive him after losing his arms. This would imply that he tried when attacking the village, but failed.
     
         

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