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    "Don't like, don't read"

    Hi, everyone. I'm here to criticize some classic comments made by many people.
    These 2 comments are: "don't like, don't read/watch/listen" and "can't do better, STFU". I'm doing this because such comments have appeared quite too much here on the base and they are very annoying.

    To criticize, one doesn't have to do better, one must have arguments and evidences to suport an idea. One must have knowledge about the subject. A criticism is based on an analysis of what is being criticized. With the analysis, the arguments can be based on facts, on the very characteristics of the object. Then, they will be used in order to suport or disprove an idea. This is how criticism works. If something is bad, it is bad, no matter who made it, no matter who is saying it.

    Now, If one dislikes something in a series or in anything, he/she has the right to criticize it. Criticism is a right, don't forget this. The only thing that can't be done is to disrespect. Criticizing doesn't mean one has to stop watching/reading what he/she is criticizing. Disliking 1 characteristic doesn't mean disliking everything of the subject. This only means that the person won't accept any sh*t thrown at him/her, and he/she will actually criticize it to show what might be even a mistake, not only a personal taste.

    With this, I show that such affirmatives are a childish mistake of people who don't understand criticism, people who have 0 knowledge on criticism.
    So, let's grow up and stop these stupid comments.
     
         

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    Re: "Don't like, don't read"

    I agree. If someone criticized the way Kishimoto writes, he/she is within his or her rights.
    If someone says "this maga sucks it is the worst ever etc." then he is just trolling and being annoying and should just not read it.
     
         

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    Re: "Don't like, don't read"

    No
    I disagree completely
    If you don't know anything about anything then what gives you the right to disrespect anything?
     
         

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    Re: "Don't like, don't read"

    What if I was to say, "Naruto (the manga/anime) sucks. It could've been written much, much, much better, especially if Oda was the one writing it"?

    *waits for Shape to call me a troll*
     
         

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    Re: "Don't like, don't read"

    Too long Didnt read.

    On all seriousness, i appreciate the concern but all the trolls arent gonna change.
     
         

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    Re: "Don't like, don't read"

    Quote Originally Posted by hixa kuogame View Post
    No
    I disagree completely
    If you don't know anything about anything then what gives you the right to disrespect anything?
    To criticize, one doesn't have to do better, one must have arguments and evidences to suport an idea. One must have knowledge about the subject.
    He acknowledged that point.
     
         

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    Re: "Don't like, don't read"

    i kind of see what youre getting at
    but most people act like they are some kind of great mangaka and there giving mangakas tips on how to right a manga
    when in fact they don't know what theyre talking about at all
     
         

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    Re: "Don't like, don't read"

    This is soooo true!! + rep
     
         

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    Re: "Don't like, don't read"

    Quote Originally Posted by hixa kuogame View Post
    No
    I disagree completely
    If you don't know anything about anything then what gives you the right to disrespect anything?
    This logic is flawed regardless, even though he already mentioned something in response to this.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by hixa kuogame View Post
    No
    I disagree completely
    If you don't know anything about anything then what gives you the right to disrespect anything?
    Obviously you didn't read. I clearly said that one must not disrespect. To criticize is a right, a part of our freedom of speech.
    I already explained the concept of criticism above, read the thread before posting things.

    Quote Originally Posted by rollin View Post
    i kind of see what youre getting at
    but most people act like they are some kind of great mangaka and there giving mangakas tips on how to right a manga
    when in fact they don't know what theyre talking about at all
    It's like I said. To criticize is different from just stating an opinion, a personal taste. The whole concept of criticism is great for the development of many things. A criticism can show the writter a mistake of his, or something that he didn't think about.
    When people say things when they know nothing, then they're just stating their opinions like facts, which is another mistake made quite a lot too(I'll make another thread about this in the future),so this is no criticism.
     
         
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    Re: "Don't like, don't read"

    Quote Originally Posted by Snape Uchiha View Post
    He acknowledged that point.
    It wasn't acknowledged
    A criticism is an opinion so how can it have evidence or facts?
     
         

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    Re: "Don't like, don't read"

    Quote Originally Posted by Clouds View Post
    Those are just cavemen who treat Naruto like their God.
    This .

    I agree completely with you man , this people are just puppets of Kishi & probably haven't even read anything else that isn't Naruto so they don't know any better , also they don't seem to realize that many people have come this far to just stop it , but of course since that is not the problem with them , they will also tell you : is not ! Stop reading ! stop b1tching , moaning ! etc . Amen ! Ole! .
     
         

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    Re: "Don't like, don't read"

    Quote Originally Posted by hixa kuogame View Post
    It wasn't acknowledged
    A criticism is an opinion so how can it have evidence or facts?
    I guess you lack the ability of reading. The concept of criticism is just written above. An opinion is just an idea about something, it's just the very beggining of criticism.

    "To criticize, one doesn't have to do better, one must have arguments and evidences to suport an idea. One must have knowledge about the subject. A criticism is based on an analysis of what is being criticized. With the analysis, the arguments can be based on facts, on the very characteristics of the object. Then, they will be used in order to suport or disprove an idea"

    I will say it again, read the thread before posting things.
     
         

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    Re: "Don't like, don't read"

    i like this thread .

    what's worse than the people who insult/criticize a series, are the fanboys who defend it as if the insults were actually for him/her.

    people don't know how to ignore/accept what others say about their favorite series's/characters and enjoy themselves.
    and like you said "Criticizing doesn't mean one has to stop watching/reading what he/she is criticizing" these people/children can't even comprehend this.

    so what if someone said "Naruto sucks" ...................
     
         
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    Re: "Don't like, don't read"

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfus View Post
    Obviously you didn't read. I clearly said that one must not disrespect. To criticize is a right, a part of our freedom of speech.
    I already explained the concept of criticism above, read the thread before posting things.
    I read the thread and when I say "right" I don't mean lawful
    Just because you think you know what you're talking about doesn't mean you fully understand a concept, not until you're in the same position
    You can criticize all you want and state your opinion on what you don't like and what you disagree with but bashing something that you don't understand isn't right really
    "If you don't like don't read" simple as that
     
         

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    Re: "Don't like, don't read"

    Quote Originally Posted by hixa kuogame View Post
    I read the thread and when I say "right" I don't mean lawful
    Just because you think you know what you're talking about doesn't mean you fully understand a concept, not until you're in the same position
    You can criticize all you want and state your opinion on what you don't like and what you disagree with but bashing something that you don't understand isn't right really
    "If you don't like don't read" simple as that
    Criticizing=/=bashing and Criticizing=/=opinions, as I explained. To state a opinion as a fact is a mistake. That's why criticism, when made in the correct way, is based on analysis of the characteristics of the object. This analysis is what will suport or disprove an opinion or thought.
    To bash is to disrespect, and as i said, that can't be made.
    "Don't like, don't read" is, as I said, a mistaken childish thought of people that don't understand criticism.
     
         

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    Re: "Don't like, don't read"

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfus View Post
    I guess you lack the ability of reading. The concept of criticism is just written above. An opinion is just an idea about something, it's just the very beggining of criticism.

    "To criticize, one doesn't have to do better, one must have arguments and evidences to suport an idea. One must have knowledge about the subject. A criticism is based on an analysis of what is being criticized. With the analysis, the arguments can be based on facts, on the very characteristics of the object. Then, they will be used in order to suport or disprove an idea"

    I will say it again, read the thread before posting things.
    I just read the thread for a third time
    Nothings changed
    You can state your opinion on something and give criticism l. I don't have a problem With that but if you yourself can't do something or haven't experienced anything or truly know the subject from the inside then you can't judge. Your criticism is void
     
         

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    Re: "Don't like, don't read"

    Quote Originally Posted by hixa kuogame View Post
    I just read the thread for a third time
    Nothings changed
    You can state your opinion on something and give criticism l. I don't have a problem With that but if you yourself can't do something or haven't experienced anything or truly know the subject from the inside then you can't judge. Your criticism is void
    Criticism itself requires knowledge. Criticism requires an analysis, which is part experience about the subject as well. It's in the concept. If the person just states an idea, that's not criticism, and that would be void.
     
         

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    Re: "Don't like, don't read"

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfus View Post
    Criticizing=/=bashing and Criticizing=/=opinions, as I explained. To state a opinion as a fact is a mistake. That's why criticism, when made in the correct way, is based on analysis of the characteristics of the object. This analysis is what will suport or disprove an opinion or thought.
    To bash is to disrespect, and as i said, that can't be made.
    "Don't like, don't read" is, as I said, a mistaken childish thought of people that don't understand criticism.
    Yes I know what criticism is but you really can only be in a position to criticize if you completely know what you're talking about
    Kishimoto has gone to school and studied manga
    He knows what he's doing
    He's completely educated in his field
    If you don't have the same experience or at least something similar such as drawing talent and you understand his struggle then you can never get a full analysis of the subject
     
         

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    Re: "Don't like, don't read"

    Quote Originally Posted by hixa kuogame View Post
    Yes I know what criticism is but you really can only be in a position to criticize if you completely know what you're talking about
    Kishimoto has gone to school and studied manga
    He knows what he's doing
    He's completely educated in his field
    If you don't have the same experience or at least something similar such as drawing talent and you understand his struggle then you can never get a full analysis of the subject
    Bold part is false. Want an example? Get a teacher. A math teacer, that graduated in math in college. He has more knowledge and skills than the students. Yet, he can make a mistake, or use a mistaken method to teach or to explain.

    The same thing here. We've seen that kishi has made mistakes in the art, for example, some plot incosistences that are criticized. The criticism requires knowledge about what is being criticized, mostly. Of course, as a consequence, knowledge about the field is required as well, but not necessarily equal to the one who made the object being criticized. Just knowledge.
    Plot for example,is something that involves many areas. Having knowledge is some of them might be enough to criticize a basic aspect of the plot.

    In an analysis, is the same thing. You must understand what is being criticized, but the analysis will help in in the that. The analysis will get every characteristic of the object, and put it right in front of you, for then, you use them to suport or disprove an argument which suports a main idea.
     
         

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