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    Many gas user > Hyuga clan

    We know Hyuga clan can spin and push a little wave out of wind in one of their attacks.

    But does a gas user just simple kill a hyuga? How long can some of them rotate.

    Hanzo> hyuga clan?


    (EJ brought this up)
     
         

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    Re: Many gas user > Hyuga clan

    Rotation seem weak against powerful attacks like (Japanese Sun Goddess Name Attack) and Katsuyu's Acid, Saiken Acid, Like wouldn't it still burn as it spins.
     
         

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    Re: Many gas user > Hyuga clan

    People are underestimating the Hyuga clan.
     
         

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    Re: Many gas user > Hyuga clan

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Blades of Chaos View Post
    People are underestimating the Hyuga clan.
    Really?

    Someone told me the other day that an Air Palm can break the entirety of Susano'o.
     
         

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    Re: Many gas user > Hyuga clan

    Quote Originally Posted by FemmeFatale View Post
    Rotation seem weak against powerful attacks like (Japanese Sun Goddess Name Attack) and Katsuyu's Acid, Saiken Acid, Like wouldn't it still burn as it spins.
    The Rotation would repel it before it burns through.
     
         

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    Re: Many gas user > Hyuga clan

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    Really?

    Someone told me the other day that an Air Palm can break the entirety of Susano'o.
    Those people are morons.
     
         

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    Re: Many gas user > Hyuga clan

    Hmm,I made a thread similar to this a while ago, but on a more "far fetched" scale HAHA

    http://narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=309760

    Hope this kinda helps
     
         

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    Re: Many gas user > Hyuga clan

    Someone told me the other day that an Air Palm can break the entirety of Susano'o.
    Now this is overdoing it. This is actually overestimating the power

    Vacuum Palm Thrust is a blast of chakra in a given direction, so a slow-moving gas with no force behind it would be blown away. A fast gas that is blowing around them could be deflected with Kaiten, but the deflected gas wouldn't be countered.
     
         

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    Re: Many gas user > Hyuga clan

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Blades of Chaos View Post
    Those people are morons.
    They were dead serious as well.

    The Hyuga are CQC fighters.
    These people me literally told me that in this hypothetical situation, Uchiha V Hyuga, The Uchiha would allow the Hyuga to get up close to them and shut off their chakra points.
    Basically, the Uchiha would stand there and just watch.

    I was told this.
     
         

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    Re: Many gas user > Hyuga clan

    Quote Originally Posted by FemmeFatale View Post
    Rotation seem weak against powerful attacks like (Japanese Sun Goddess Name Attack) and Katsuyu's Acid, Saiken Acid, Like wouldn't it still burn as it spins.
    How exactly is it weak to these?! Rotation is basically an absolute defense so long as the user is spinning. Considering we've NEVER really seen those attacks hit it... I don't know how it would appear to be weak against them in the first place.

    OT: Hanzo as an individual is extremely powerful, and is probably stronger than any of the few Hyuga we've seen, It doesn't mean Gas users automatically beat the Hyuga.

    Gas lethality depends on several factors.

    1. The fighting skills/intelligence of both Gas User and Hyuga

    2. The duration the Hyuga can employ rotation.

    3. The scale at which the Hyuga can employ air palm/air wall palm.

    4. The scale of Gas being deployed.

    5. The direction the Gas comes from (one direction vs multi-directional).

    6. Does the Hyuga move to get out of the cloud.



    The most dangerous case for a Hyuga would be getting surrounded by an immense level of Poison Gas... though we haven't seen anyone make that scale except maybe Hanzo, but it is escapable.

    Rotation or air palm would displace poisonous material leaving room to draw a breath. Neji was seen capable of holding his breath for quite some time. The simple process of running out of the cloud... pausing to take breaths after rotations would counter a poison cloud.

    Naturally of course the Hyuga would also have to contend with actually fighting the enemy.


    Simply put, poison Gas alone doesn't solo a Hyuga.... or else you could just say Poison Gas solos everyone.
     
         

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    Re: Many gas user > Hyuga clan

    Quote Originally Posted by FemmeFatale View Post
    Rotation seem weak against powerful attacks like (Japanese Sun Goddess Name Attack) and Katsuyu's Acid, Saiken Acid, Like wouldn't it still burn as it spins.
    nice try acid cant penetrate chakra.
     
         

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    Re: Many gas user > Hyuga clan

    Quote Originally Posted by NewKageism View Post
    We know Hyuga clan can spin and push a little wave out of wind in one of their attacks.

    But does a gas user just simple kill a hyuga? How long can some of them rotate.

    Hanzo> hyuga clan?


    (EJ brought this up)
    Why would they need to spin? Wouldn't it be smarter for them to just move rather than deflecting. The rotation is only for attacks that come in from a distance like projectiles or when try really need it. It is not their only defense.
     
         

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    Re: Many gas user > Hyuga clan

    Quote Originally Posted by FemmeFatale View Post
    Rotation seem weak against powerful attacks like (Japanese Sun Goddess Name Attack) and Katsuyu's Acid, Saiken Acid, Like wouldn't it still burn as it spins.
    How is Kaiten weak against Katsuyu's acid ? The spin will throw it away. Simple. And why bring Amaterasu on the table.

    OT: I don't know. They could use One Body Blow to push the gas away.
     
         

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    Re: Many gas user > Hyuga clan

    Quote Originally Posted by General Lex View Post
    Why would they need to spin? Wouldn't it be smarter for them to just move rather than deflecting. The rotation is only for attacks that come in from a distance like projectiles or when try really need it. It is not their only defense.

    They can move, then keep moving.

    But remember they are close combat types. This could be a down fall to real strong gas users just saying. Other people can battle gas with distance and other techs.

    Just saying if you want to use an example


    I choose Hanzo.
     
         

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    Re: Many gas user > Hyuga clan

    Sakura/Tsunade > Hyuga clan. Nuff said.
     
         

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    Re: Many gas user > Hyuga clan

    Quote Originally Posted by oksus View Post
    Sakura/Tsunade > Hyuga clan. Nuff said.
    Except they aren't... against the entire Hyuga Clan they lose.

    Sakura and probably Tsunade lose to Hiashi. Sakura plausibly loses to Neji and Hinata.


    But uh... what relevance does this even have with the current thread topic?! Just hating on the Hyuga Clan are we ?!




    OT: Hey NewKageism what inspired this thread BTW?! I was just curious.
     
         

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    Re: Many gas user > Hyuga clan

    Quote Originally Posted by NewKageism View Post
    They can move, then keep moving.

    But remember they are close combat types. This could be a down fall to real strong gas users just saying. Other people can battle gas with distance and other techs.

    Just saying if you want to use an example


    I choose Hanzo.
    Gas doesn't travel very far nor does it spread fast. If I were a Hyuga once I see a gas Cloud I would use an air palm and follow immediately with gentle fist then back out. Even distance fighters will have a hard time against a strong Hyuga because they would have to be in visual range to see their target which gives the edge to the Hyuga who can see them a lot better then they can be seen themselves.
     
         

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    Re: Many gas user > Hyuga clan

    Quote Originally Posted by Raekwon26 View Post
    They were dead serious as well.

    The Hyuga are CQC fighters.
    These people me literally told me that in this hypothetical situation, Uchiha V Hyuga, The Uchiha would allow the Hyuga to get up close to them and shut off their chakra points.
    Basically, the Uchiha would stand there and just watch.

    I was told this.
    Dude battle are fought that close to mid range so in all likely hood the hyuga will or can touch a uchia plus sasonn is easily broken with the rite move
     
         

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    Re: Many gas user > Hyuga clan

    Quote Originally Posted by oksus View Post
    Sakura/Tsunade > Hyuga clan. Nuff said.
    Whatever helps you sleep at night.

    NOPE. Hiashi > Tsunade, Neji > Sakura
     
         

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    Re: Many gas user > Hyuga clan

    Quote Originally Posted by KGB Kakuzu View Post
    Except they aren't... against the entire Hyuga Clan they lose.

    Sakura and probably Tsunade lose to Hiashi. Sakura plausibly loses to Neji and Hinata.


    But uh... what relevance does this even have with the current thread topic?! Just hating on the Hyuga Clan are we ?!




    OT: Hey NewKageism what inspired this thread BTW?! I was just curious.

    @Bolded : That's just overrating Hyugas
    Not hating.

    Though I don't see Hyuga clan defeating Katsuyu/Sakura or Katsuyu/Tsunade combo.

    I mean those two have enormous destructive abilities and Katsuyu's acid is the perfect weapon against Rotation.
    Not as that it can breach the rotation, but there are only so many times one can do Rotation before he runs out of chakra. Remember, Rotation takes huge amounts of Chakra.
     
         
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    Re: Many gas user > Hyuga clan

    Quote Originally Posted by oksus View Post
    Not hating.

    Though I don't see Hyuga clan defeating Katsuyu/Sakura or Katsuyu/Tsunade combo.

    I mean those two have enormous destructive abilities and Katsuyu's acid is the perfect weapon against Rotation.
    Not as that it can breach the rotation, but there are only so many times one can do Rotation before he runs out of chakra. Remember, Rotation takes huge amounts of Chakra.
    @bold how do you know that ? And the fight doesn't start with an insta-summon
     
         

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    Re: Many gas user > Hyuga clan

    Quote Originally Posted by NewKageism View Post
    They can move, then keep moving.

    But remember they are close combat types. This could be a down fall to real strong gas users just saying. Other people can battle gas with distance and other techs.

    Just saying if you want to use an example


    I choose Hanzo.
    What exactly do they use to counter the Gas that Hyuga can't use? Also, who would "They" be?! Most people are Mid to Close range fighters as it is.

    The only elements that efficiently deal with long range and large scale poison clouds would be Katon that MIGHT combust it, or Fuuton to blow it away.



    That being said, Air Palm has been seen to operate similarly to a Fuuton attack in the idea of a massive force being pressed forwards (like air let's say). Hiashi's Air Wall Palm was capable of stopping the Juubi's tail... considering the scale that reflects... I'd say he's more than capable of deflecting most one directional poison clouds coming at him.


    But the fact people can charage forwards and move makes it a lot easier. The Byakugan doesn't diminish their vision. All they then have to do is keep fighting adding occasional rotations IF they are still in the Poison Cloud.


    I wouldn't say the Gas attacks are automatic ultimate Anti-Hyuga weapons.

    Quote Originally Posted by oksus View Post
    @Bolded : That's just overrating Hyugas
    Not hating.

    Though I don't see Hyuga clan defeating Katsuyu/Sakura or Katsuyu/Tsunade combo.

    I mean those two have enormous destructive abilities and Katsuyu's acid is the perfect weapon against Rotation.
    Not as that it can breach the rotation, but there are only so many times one can do Rotation before he runs out of chakra. Remember, Rotation takes huge amounts of Chakra.
    As a clan they have absolutely no problem defeating Just Tsunada/Sakura and Katsuyu.


    Hiashi alone was capable of producing an Air Wall Palm on the level that deflected a Juubi Tail which has a size comparable to Summons (if not larger than Summons). Jyuuken with time gets rid of Chakra enhanced strength and the ability to heal.... making Sakura a non factor. Tsunade is still powerful on her own; however, Hiashi is better in actual Taijutsu (due to the fact Tsunade banks on her healing ability working when she goes to fight).


    And like I said... Possibly.... excluding Katsuyu, Hinata has a chance of beating Sakura. With Katsuyu... Neji has a chance of winning. More so if Katsuyu has to be summoned.

    Sure Kaiten takes chakra, but we never saw Neji running low on chakra reserves even while fighting the Juubi... so I would say he has great control over his chakra when it comes to Kaiten. Also, simply using something like the Body Flicker (something that's been noted as a basic move) could substitute for dodging the acid. Katsuyu doesn't really have any speed feats, and her acid works more like a covering layer than a fast moving projectile.... something that can be dodged.
     
         
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    Re: Many gas user > Hyuga clan

    Quote Originally Posted by raziel777 View Post
    @bold how do you know that ? And the fight doesn't start with an insta-summon
    Common sense
    + It was shown in Manga.Go re-read it and you will see

    Any ways, I have one question for you Hyuga fans. If they really are as powerful as you make them out to be, where were they during Pein Invasion ? Why did they end up fighting White Zetsu in the war, if there are much more powerful enemies out there that you claim they could win against.

    Pretty sure Kishi is telling you something there.

    That something being that they aren't as powerful as their Hype. I mean Hiruzen is another example of a failure to live up to the hype.

    Sure, Hyuga have some potentially OP techniques but as long as they are not shown using it against Kage/Sannin level Shinobi I will consider them weak.
     
         

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    Re: Many gas user > Hyuga clan

    Quote Originally Posted by oksus View Post
    @Bolded : That's just overrating Hyugas
    Not hating.

    Though I don't see Hyuga clan defeating Katsuyu/Sakura or Katsuyu/Tsunade combo.

    I mean those two have enormous destructive abilities and Katsuyu's acid is the perfect weapon against Rotation.
    Not as that it can breach the rotation, but there are only so many times one can do Rotation before he runs out of chakra. Remember, Rotation takes huge amounts of Chakra.
    ohh please tell me one way which sakura and win against cqc fighters that have nearly 360 degree vision and can destroy the flow of chakra in the body? . vaccum palm mountain crusher solos sakura low diff.
     
         

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    Re: Many gas user > Hyuga clan

    the mist jutsu cant fog up a byakugan. they have x-ray vision.
    that said, yeah hanzo would beat neji low diff
     
         

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